HO question: Will -def enhance defense?
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ArcticFahx,
Posted on: 2009-07-23 06:26 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Isn't the -def applied to your target? I doubt that would go into a defensive powerset. If it does, it would only except the bonus that the power allows (ex, if it accepts Def, End, and Dam enhancements, your Enzyme Exposure would only grant the End portion of it's bonuses. You would effectively be wasting 2 out of 3 enhances (the -def and -tohit)).
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Yes it would work.
Castle himself has said that it will be changed, the question is more a matter of when.
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God forbid they allow HOs to actually be useful in a manner different from IOs.
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God forbid they allow HOs to actually be useful in a manner different from IOs.
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I know, right?
Maybe they can make HOs have better values individually against IOs.
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You mean like 33.3% acc and 33.3% dam for the HO versus a level 50 IO which has 26.5% acc and 26.5% dam ?
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You mean like 33.3% acc and 33.3% dam for the HO versus a level 50 IO which has 26.5% acc and 26.5% dam ?
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Which is not much if ED is involved, which it often is if you want to enhance enough to bother with HOs, and includes no set bonuses.
I think they should be improved to equal common IO enhancement since anybody who uses HOs is not using SOs.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
If HOs are so pointless, how do you explain the going prices for some of them on the markets ?
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Will slotting an Enzyme Exposure (-def/-tohit/end) enhance the defense of a defensive power if it is put in it? Just wondering, because I know that technically, there's no difference between +def and -def. Also, enzyme's are much cheaper than membranes.
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Yes, it works. ED "helps" keep Enzymes pretty close to the same that a Membrane would enhance defense by, or at least, that's what Mid's is still telling me.
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God forbid they allow HOs to actually be useful in a manner different from IOs.
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Exploiting (and I use this term loosely. Very loosely) the enhancement system shouldn't be the way an HO becomes better than an IO. Of course, single HOs are better than individual IOs that enhance the same abilities already so I guess you got your wish.
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You mean like 33.3% acc and 33.3% dam for the HO versus a level 50 IO which has 26.5% acc and 26.5% dam ?
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Thanks a lot, Cat. You ruined my perfectly tuned sarcasm.
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If HOs are so pointless, how do you explain the going prices for some of them on the markets ?
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Not that HOs are pointless, but their price is more a matter of declining supply, and of inflation, than it is a matter of their uberness. Back when IOs were first introduced, you could buy most HOs for (relatively speaking) a song.
Was that because IOs were more powerful, relative to HOs, back then? No, quite the opposite in fact; as time has passed, the IO system has expanded and become even more powerful.
Back then, we had a glut of people who'd kitted themselves out in HOs back when all you needed was to afk for a couple of hours to get one. These same people saw the new shinies, saw that stacking set bonuses were potentially much more powerful than most anything you could do with HOs, and decided to sell away.
That supply has more or less dried up -- and nowadays, it's far more difficult in terms of time, effort, and team availability to acquire new HOs. Relative to the amount of people who grind AE for tickets and experience, or who grind TFs for merits, or who simply run story arcs or radios, the number of people on a daily basis who successfully earn new HOs is vanishingly small - whereas back in the old days, most anyone with a level 50 character and too much time on their hands was farming Hamidon.
And, of course, there's more money floating around now. And, of course, there are still those borderline exploitive cases in which HOs are much better than IOs. And, of course, a mixture of HOs and IOs is still oftentimes more efficient than IOs alone with respect to frankenslotting.
All of the above is true. I expect the price would/will drop somewhat if/when Castle does get around to fixing the aforementioned HO loopholes. I'm given to understand it's a fairly deeply rooted problem, though. In fact, it's news to me that he intends to fix it; the last I'd heard, Castle had said that he'd like to fix it, but didn't know how he could do it without expending an unreasonable amount of effort.
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If HOs are so pointless, how do you explain the going prices for some of them on the markets ?
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-looks at HO prices-
-looks at purple prices-
I'm not sure you're making the point you're wanting to make.
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You mean like 33.3% acc and 33.3% dam for the HO versus a level 50 IO which has 26.5% acc and 26.5% dam ?
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Improper comparison.
Compare them to purples the other non-merit purchasable PvE loot. It's not pretty. Same enhancement (33%) + ultimate set bonuses + farmable solo on mob that can drop 50 enhancers. Unlike HOs and SHOs which have exactly THREE ways to come into the game, all of which requiring a group/multiple groups.
It's obvious why HO supply has dwindled. Except for exceptions like Membranes in Mind Link, there's just not any reason to get that reward.
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I duuno. My neutrino bolt with acc/dam 2 dam/range and 3 procs suggests otherwise.
The absolute 'best' builds are a combination of HO, Set-IO and common-IO
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I use S/HOs actively in my builds as well as g/set IOs (heh, my AR/EM Blaster has some of the most innovative slotting schemes I've come up with yet).
I personally get annoyed by the lack of HO choices. I'd kill for an Endurance/Recharge S/HO for the very reason of better enhancement values on something that is ridiculously hard to get a hold of through IOs. Dam/End, Dam/Rech? Acc/End, Acc/Rech? Etc. Positron's Blast freaking sucks (Who is the idiot monkey that decided damage enhancement HAD to be on every [censored] IO, really?!) for enhancement values but if I could easily get the remainder through an HO of some sort (as an example)...
But since that dream will never come to fruition, I just get by by being snarky when they fix (oh, and key term: fix, not nerf, please recognize why I use that when I make the snarky post) something that makes the S/HOs interesting.
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I duuno. My neutrino bolt with acc/dam 2 dam/range and 3 procs suggests otherwise.
The absolute 'best' builds are a combination of HO, Set-IO and common-IO
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Yes, but the proportion of HOs to Set-IO in those "best" builds tends to skew towards Set IOs by a factor of 5 or more.
Sure I keep a couple of Nucleolus in Parry myself. That doesn't mean that HOs are a balanced reward. You didn't even address the point I made about their relative worth next to purples.
If HOs aren't going to be a good as purples then sell them at the merit vendor.
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HOs can be slotted in multiple places, purples are all unique.
That puts them in completely different categories of rewards for balance purposes.
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Mind Link and Vengeance are 20 times better with HOs (ToHit/Def/Rech) than IOs. Also the various toggle debuffs (-ToHit/-Def/-End). And Invincibility (ToHit/Def/End). And Singularity (Dam/Mez, with Acc to taste).
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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As I see it (and I realize it's not always relevant) HOs are about conserving slots. 3 membranes gives my empath's fortitude full enhancement in both aspects I care about and as a bonus enhances a third aspect as well. My grav controller's singularity doesn't have to choose between being a good mezzer or good (for a sing) damager, and can again do it in only 3 slots. While I could max def and rech on fort or dam and mez in sing with IO sets, it would take more then 3 to pull off, and If I'm trying to do it in as few slots as possible I'm probably missing the set bonus advantage IOs get anyway.
So basically IOs are about getting bonuses for your character, HOs are about lessening the strain of slot allocation. The two can complement eachother well, with HOs freeing up slots to get more set bonuses from some other power.
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You mean like 33.3% acc and 33.3% dam for the HO versus a level 50 IO which has 26.5% acc and 26.5% dam ?
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Improper comparison.
Compare them to purples the other non-merit purchasable PvE loot. It's not pretty.
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Hmmm, purples have a considerably less than 1 in 1000 chance of dropping when fighting level 47+ enemies. i know people who play 50's regularly and have not gotten more than one or two purples recipes in months.
You can get a guaranteed HO drop through the Statesman Task Force, Lord Recluse Strike Force and Hamidon raid. All of which can be completed in less than two hours with a competent group.
HO's are much easier to acquire than purples.
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You mean like 33.3% acc and 33.3% dam for the HO versus a level 50 IO which has 26.5% acc and 26.5% dam ?
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Improper comparison.
Compare them to purples the other non-merit purchasable PvE loot. It's not pretty.
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Weird. For some reason I can only slot one Hecatomb DMG/RECH per character, while I can slot as many HOs as I want. Must be a bug.
Also, I forget which IO I'm supposed to triple-slot into Mind Link to max out Defense, Recharge, AND ToHit.
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Will slotting an Enzyme Exposure (-def/-tohit/end) enhance the defense of a defensive power if it is put in it? Just wondering, because I know that technically, there's no difference between +def and -def. Also, enzyme's are much cheaper than membranes.
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