Any of the major AoE sleeps with dom up can knock out AVs at least for a little while. Ice and Earth both have AoE sleeps, but both have double the recharge of mass hypnosis, so I don't know if you can actually keep the AVs perma slept.
The other issue with their sleeps is that they both will be dangerous to use. Ice's sleep does damage, so when the AV busts out of the sleep it'll attack you. Earth's sleep is PBAoE. But you can use them to stop AVs for a little while. I've used the ice sleep to knock out the freedom phalanx to stop them from killing someone a few times. But mind is, to my knowledge, the only set that can keep a group of AVs perma slept.
Active (Freedom): Setna (Ice/Psi Dom), Arram (WP/KM Tank), Tesmiel (Elec/SS Tank), Astredax (Robot/Dark Mastermind), Operative Vidali (melee fortunata)
Retired (Virtue): Gaav (Inv/EM Tank), Baqra (Fire/SS Tank)
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If LRSF is really your main goal, best to stick with Mind/NRG or Mind/Ice.
It sucks, but it is *very* easy to feel pretty useless playing a dom on the LRSF, so it is probably better to stick to the "tried and true" builds if that is really your main goal.
"Hi, my name is Ail. I make people sick."
A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator
Many dominator prim//sec's have a valid, contributing factor on a LRSF outside of mind//whatever. If your primary goal is sleeping the AV's than by all means do follow the advice laid out by the 2 previous posters.Please overlook all the good you could do in the other missions with a totally different primary than mind//.
Want to add the cost of perma anything has increased to about 5 bill if you dont gimp your character.
I never played a dom I felt useless on after the team buffs in whatever issue it was,Ail. NEVER.
Op? Talk to your vg mates and see what they think will be beneficial for a dom as far as team synergy. You obviously have a group you play with regularly. Ask their input. There is alot more to the RSF than sleeping the FP. If there are already 2 sleeper domi's maybe you would fill another role. There are also alot of different ways to skin a cat and sleepig the FP is just one that will net a 30 minute LRSF.
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Any of the major AoE sleeps with dom up can knock out AVs at least for a little while. Ice and Earth both have AoE sleeps, but both have double the recharge of mass hypnosis, so I don't know if you can actually keep the AVs perma slept.
[/ QUOTE ]The ice one is unstackable because it deals damage, and the earth one is PBAOE. Neither are good for the task compared to Mass Hypnosis, which also doesn't aggro.
Roll a plant dom. You'll be way more useful for all the rest of the missions and you can still contribute to the sleepy time action. Though the plant one does notify, but otherwise it is good range, big aoe, same rech as masshyp and also deals no damage so won't interfere with anyone else using sleep.
Most people forget that plant has the second best aoe sleep power cause it doesn't need it for anything.
Ice notifies because it does damage but plant does no damage and notifies as well? Why? Can you explain?
Ice, earth, and plant all notify. That's a given. Anything notifies, and things that don't notify are exceptions. Mass Hypnosis doesn't notify.
Earth and plant do no damage, so they can be stacked; but ice does do damage, so it can't be stacked (its damage breaks its own sleep). This makes the ice one worse still because the sleep applies a split second after the damage, giving the AV time enough to fire off something.
OK got it. Thanks. Last question. Does sleeping the AVs in LRSF require power boost? Like if I made a mind/fire, would I be able to do the same job as the mind/nrgs already in the group?
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The mind/fire should do the job just fine.
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Many dominator prim//sec's have a valid, contributing factor on a LRSF outside of mind//whatever. If your primary goal is sleeping the AV's than by all means do follow the advice laid out by the 2 previous posters.Please overlook all the good you could do in the other missions with a totally different primary than mind//.
Want to add the cost of perma anything has increased to about 5 bill if you dont gimp your character.
I never played a dom I felt useless on after the team buffs in whatever issue it was,Ail. NEVER.
Op? Talk to your vg mates and see what they think will be beneficial for a dom as far as team synergy. You obviously have a group you play with regularly. Ask their input. There is alot more to the RSF than sleeping the FP. If there are already 2 sleeper domi's maybe you would fill another role. There are also alot of different ways to skin a cat and sleepig the FP is just one that will net a 30 minute LRSF.
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What's another way to do it with no temp powers? The only ways I know are the shivan/nuke/veng method and the AV sleep method. So the AV sleep way is the only way I know that does not use temp powers. What other ways can you think of?
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OK got it. Thanks. Last question. Does sleeping the AVs in LRSF require power boost? Like if I made a mind/fire, would I be able to do the same job as the mind/nrgs already in the group?
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I do it with my Mind/Fiery. It can be risky if I get multiple misses, but I've got the Master badge to show for it.
I'm disagreeing with Talen on this one. Having pulled this off on my mind/energy...power boost is a must. Its one of the reasons I respeced back into it. The Mass Hypnosis Strategy is pretty well laid out on City of Heroes Wiki. Please click the link and check it out.
Granted this strategy was pre-IO's so if you can perma-dom yourself you won't need kin or rad support.
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
Stick with mind energy as it can be one of the easier combos to hit permadom with. Take power boost and also have the Megalomaniac accolade standing by.
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I'm disagreeing with Talen on this one. Having pulled this off on my mind/energy...power boost is a must. Its one of the reasons I respeced back into it. The Mass Hypnosis Strategy is pretty well laid out on City of Heroes Wiki. Please click the link and check it out.
Granted this strategy was pre-IO's so if you can perma-dom yourself you won't need kin or rad support.
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As long as you know what to do and have enough recharge, any secondary is fine. I've done masters on my mind/psi 21 times.
To the OP, I wrote a guide on the strategy a while back. I'm not sure if it's still there, but it was in the guide section. It detailed a lot of the subtleties to the method.
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What matters most is what kind of team you're playing with on what kind of dommie is most useful to bring.
If you're teammates regularly have two mind/ doms they probably don't need a third. Does you team over aggro? A plant/ dom would likely be good for taking away some of that pressure. Does you team need more debuffage? Maybe a stone/ or a /thorny would prove to be useful due to the inherent debuffs in the powersets. Is the rest of the team set and you just want to show off your crazy holding skills? Roll a ice/ and enjoy playing with your ice blocks and bouncing mobs. Need damage that isn't resisted by many critters, /psi is where its at.
Really the point is that if you're gonna make the third dommie on the team - make it so you aren't doing the exact same thing that the other two are doing so that you have a useful role on the team and you're not just the backup.
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If you're looking to being able to sleep then roll a Mind/anything Permadom. Seriously, you do NOT need Power Boost. I've completed masters many times when I just had enough recharge to Permadom. Sure Power Boost makes the duration last longer, but if you miss any of the FP just hit them with Mesmerize.
I play with Kahlan a lot, and whenever we do a masters run we alternate between his Mind/Psi and my Mind/Fire. Also, I found the guide he wrote.
Sleep Guide
I have 138.75% on my Mind/Psi without Hasten (208.75% with Hasten) and ya have about a 5-6s window to single-target sleep the heroes you missed.
The PBAoE sleep from Earth/ isn't the best choice for sure. Since it attracts aggro they have a chance to take a shot at you before fallin' asleep since you're that close.
They can even take a shot at you from Mesmerize but it has a good range and never can get a shot at you if you poke your head from outside the platform in between applications.
The only one who can still hit me from below the platform is Manticore, so that's why I always take him out first.
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The only one who can still hit me from below the platform is Manticore, so that's why I always take him out first.
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You're brave. I always have Manti and States last. When they both seem to wake up they activate some leadership toggle that negates sleeps for the rest of them for a short time.
Never had a problem doing it like that. Usually I take Statesman out second to last and Numina last. I've had Numina ruin a MoLRSF because she gave Fort to someone after she woke up.
Clear mind obi, but yeah, manti first and numina last 
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Clear mind obi, but yeah, manti first and numina last
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I thought it was Clear Mind at first, but according to Paragon Wiki, Numina doesn't have CM. Her Fort apparently gives some mez protection which I discovered using the Power Analyzer mklll while soloing the LRSF.
You're right. Weird. Wonder why they called it that.
(look up [numina.fortitude] in game if curious)
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You're right. Weird. Wonder why they called it that.
(look up [numina.fortitude] in game if curious)
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Alot of NPC buff powers will combine multiple buffs into one, most likely to prevent an AI issue of somesort.
I never got a dom to any level. I want to make one. We do the LRSF all the time and there are two perma-dom mind/nrg doms in our VG that can sleep all 8 AVs pretty easily and regularly. We don't really bother with nukes or shivs at this point.
Now I want to make a dom. I am ignorant of what doms were before, and I am ignorant of all these changes. I want a dom that can jack up multiple AVs too. But I don't want to be the third mind/nrg in the group. Is there any other dom that can control a bunch of AVs? I'm not really sure how they do it, if they need power boost on top of domination. If not, I'd like to look at a different secondary. If there is another primary than can perma-sleep 8 AVs, or screw them up some other way, I would like to even have another primary. Is it possible?