It's a vestige of an old glitch where people joining the Hami raid while sidekicked up from 46 or something would get level 52 HO's instead of 50's.
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They don't.
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There was a time, where you could get someone on a team that was outside of The Hive and have them exemp you down to a low level right before the final kill in a Hami raid and it would drop a level 52 HO instead of the regular level 50
combined enhancements always have a ++ as opposed to an actual increase in levels
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I know there was an exploit several years ago where you could Exemplar yourself before claiming the HO and get a high level one, but I thought those were 53s and there seem to be an awful lot of lv52s around for that to have been the sole source of them.
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I know there was an exploit several years ago where you could Exemplar yourself before claiming the HO and get a high level one, but I thought those were 53s and there seem to be an awful lot of lv52s around for that to have been the sole source of them.
[/ QUOTE ]They'd range from 51 up. That's where all of them come from.
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If they've got such a unique (and now unobtainable) origin, it's weird that they cost about the same as a lv50 then.
'Cause they're only slightly better than a level 50... generally lost in ED. Not to mention a lot of the value of HOs have been lost now with the addition of IOs.
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Well, see, if a mother level 52 HO and a father level 52 HO love each other very much...
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Well, see, if a mother level 52 HO and a father level 52 HO love each other very much...
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Dammit, you beat me to it 
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If they've got such a unique (and now unobtainable) origin, it's weird that they cost about the same as a lv50 then.
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Actually I always thought it was more weird that once they finally fixed the "glitch" that allowed for the creation of 51-53 level HOs in the first place that the Devs didn't just nerf all of the existing ones back to level 50. I mean they weren't even supposed to exist and people went a bit crazy dare I say "exploiting" that bug at the time.
Instead of doing the simple logical thing of nerfing them back to level 50 the Devs made extra work for themselves by supporting their existence in the markets and even wasted time working on the whole "selling combined HOs" issue just so that would work as well.
Now just to be clear I don't really care about this issue -that- much. It's not like I'm mad they're still around. I'm just suggesting it was kind of funny that instead of cleaning up the mess the 51-53 level HO bug made the Devs decided to cater to them like they were intended all along.
P.S. I knew someone who had gotten something like 60 of those 51-53 level HOs on her main character before the bug was fixed. Before the era of IOs that character was an absolute goddess. 
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It's a number. They had to set it once, and they chose 53 instead of 50. Not exactly a ton of work.
Besides, resetting 51-53 HOs would literally be a nerf for no good reason.
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It's a number. They had to set it once, and they chose 53 instead of 50. Not exactly a ton of work.
Besides, resetting 51-53 HOs would literally be a nerf for no good reason.
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My point was that the game "setting" HOs to be level 51-53 in the first place was a bug. The software should not have allowed them to happen at all. If it wasn't a "bad thing" the game would still be allowing us to make more right? And I would suggest the Devs have spent (wasted?) a lot more time and effort 'supporting' their existence over the years than they would have if they had just nerfed them ASAP.
As far as being a "nerf for no good reason" as was pointed out earlier the benefit difference between a level 50 and 53 HO is negligible. It's like 2%, maybe. And also with the advent of IOs if this had been taken care of a couple of years ago it would have been a mere footnote in CoX history by now.
Again I realize this is just an academic discussion at this point. The few that are left around are not going to be nerfed regardless. But it does show us that what the Devs ultimately consider to be an "exploit" is definitely subjective. Think about it: They bother to stop the exploit but -don't- remove the benefits of that exploit? Seems a bit silly to me.
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Again I realize this is just an academic discussion at this point. The few that are left around are not going to be nerfed regardless. But it does show us that what the Devs ultimately consider to be an "exploit" is definitely subjective. Think about it: They bother to stop the exploit but -don't- remove the benefits of that exploit? Seems a bit silly to me.
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It seems perfectly reasonable to me. I have several of them and I did not exploit in any way. I just happened to be standing in Wentworths when the owner found that combined enhancements could not be placed in WW and asked on local if anyone wanted to buy them. At the time, I didn't even know that they were the result of an exploit.
If my 52+ HO's suddenly went away, I'd be pretty steamed about it.
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Instead of doing the simple logical thing of nerfing them back to level 50 the Devs made extra work for themselves by supporting their existence in the markets
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If it's in the data, it's in the market - thus things like the never-was-live inspirations and the as-yet unused salvage you can view in the market.
It owuld of taken them more efforts to have them no show.
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Don't know how reliable this is but I was told by some one in-game, quite awhile ago, that there used to be a bug that you could trade the hami's in such a way that the +'s were altered into regular numberd HO's. So a 50+ would become a 51, etc.
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Well, see, if a mother level 52 HO and a father level 52 HO love each other very much...
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Is it sad that this was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the thread title and I wondering how many posts it would be before someone mentioned it.
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Well, see, if a mother level 52 HO and a father level 52 HO love each other very much...
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this is definitly the right answer, no others need apply
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You used to be able to hit Warburg and select your HO from the menu after LRSF/States and get a 52, or you exemplared down before the final kill and got a 52.
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On the market you can find lv50 HOs/SHOs and lv52 HOs/SHOs; you cannot find lv51s. Where do the 52s come from?
If they were combined enh, I would expect lv51s to have some sort of sales history; furthermore I've been told that combined enh cannot be sold on the Market.
If they were a factor of difficulty-setting, I would again expect there to be lv51s.
I know there was an exploit several years ago where you could Exemplar yourself before claiming the HO and get a high level one, but I thought those were 53s and there seem to be an awful lot of lv52s around for that to have been the sole source of them.
So how are lv52 HO/SHOs generated?