Status Protection for all

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But by and large it would be a waste of Developer time to create.
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but obviously the devs have "wasted" time in the past to make a multitude of powers that are by your logic "functionally pointless" because their effects can be replaced by using inspirations.

this is what you are refusing to acknowledge. you do not want to admit that your logic is flawed about not needed a status effect power because we have break frees.

perhaps then you are hiding in stubbornness

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My logic is not flawed.

Creating unique powersets that have status protection effect -in- them for a class which does not have the ability to ACTIVELY defend itself against status effects is perfectly fine. Because that's one power out of the nine powers in the set. Sometimes it's split between two with a toggle -and- an auto-power, but the two invariably have other effects as well, in those cases.

Designing a 4 part power pool to defend yourself against Mez Effects to put in the game is patently ridiculous. Why? Because Controllers, Defenders, Masterminds, and Corruptors all have the ability to ACTIVELY DEFEND against mez effects. Brutes, Scrappers, Tankers, and Stalkers all have a method to PASSIVELY defend against Mez Effects. Blasters have the ability to keep attacking while mezzed. Not at full capacity, but they could pop a Break Free, just like anyone could.

You're suggesting that all defensive sets should be removed because someone could pop Lucks, Sturdies, and Breakfrees is absurd.

-Rachel-

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Pretty much what Steampunkette said, though MunkiLord is not wrong.

Ultimately, having an entire power pool to essentially serve as Breakfrees is ridiculous. We already have Breakfrees. If the intent is that all ATs "need" mez protection in their powers, you might as well just give everyone the toggles. Those powers already exist and they make sense.

A set of click powers that each protect against a different type of mez (meaning you'd have to click four click powers to equal a Breakfree, and even then it's likely there'd be holes in the power pool that the Breakfree would cover) is absurd. I can't see anyone who's at all familiar with the game blowing four power selections and taking up one of their four power pools for that. I certainly wouldn't, when I can far more easily just conjure Breakfrees from the drops I get in any given mission.

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If the intent is that all ATs "need" mez protection in their powers, you might as well just give everyone the toggles.

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Heck, at that point, just go all the way and remove mez from the game entirely. It's just as absurd.

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We'll always have Paragon.

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Ultimately, having an entire power pool to essentially serve as Breakfrees is ridiculous.

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I don't see why. Let's get rid of all Damage, because we have Damage inspirations. That is not one whit more ridiculous than people saying that we don't need status protection ever, because we have Breakfrees.

I don't want an entire new pool devoted to Status Protection, what I'd like is mitigation between the two extremes we have now of GODMODE and NONE. This could easily be inserted somewheres within various primary and secondary pools we have now.

But hey, lets take everything out of all pools and just use Inspirations. For the win!

*snicker*

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Chimp [to Fuzzy pink Cthulhu]: perhaps then you are hiding in stubbornness

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That's not all she hides in, trust me.

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I don't want an entire new pool devoted to Status Protection, what I'd like is mitigation between the two extremes we have now of GODMODE and NONE. This could easily be inserted somewheres within various primary and secondary pools we have now.

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Damn! Someone notified the moderators about that post before I could. Dash Cunning, that.

But, for those who seem to have difficulty understanding I will, again, explain why Mez Effects are Binary.

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Option 1: Mez Effects are Binary.
Pros: Easy to Handle, Fast Activation, Fast Resolution, Useful Damage Mitigation
Cons: The reverse is true when applied on a Player Character

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Under the First Option players can instantly lockdown foes without being hit with Alpha Strikes from NPCs assuming they have fairly decent Accuracy. Unfortunately NPCs can do the same to PCs, assuming they get the drop on them. Status Protection effects such as Mez Toggles or Break Free effects work flawlessly.

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Option 2: Mez Effects are not Binary
Pros: When hit with a Mez Effect a player can resist the full effect of the mez over time. Either buying the characters a few precious seconds to attack in or avoiding the effect altogether
Cons: NPCs may also avoid being mezzed.

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Under Option 2, a player who relies on Mez effects is functionally up a creek without a paddle. Enemies are able to fire off several attacks as a group at the Mezzer before they are locked down. Likely reducing him or her into a pink mush.

If you can -suggest- some non-binary method of applying mez effects that DOESN'T kill the playstyle of Controllers and Dominators or any other Mez-based class the Devs create, by all means! Post it in the Suggestion Forums!

Until then stop complaining about 'GOD MODE or NONE'

And by all means. Stop being insulting, you'll likely be banned for it, eventually. And contrary to some people's beliefs I'm nowhere near so vindictive as to want that to happen.

-Rachel-

*edited for appropriate punctuation

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snarky much?

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Buy some Breakfrees from the contact. Pop one before the fight.

Next question, please.

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It's like talking to a brick wall... One-star the thread and move on.

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IMO the OP could have thought out his/her idea more but let's face it, coming from someone who posted on these very boards that the Rogue Isles never should have existed and we should delete them, you have a lot of nerve.

Secondary to that, you also used the thread (among others) to fish for information so you could get ideas for the various MMOs you would like to create. GL

Hey I may come off negative because of the PvP [censored] but you lack a lot of common sense and it is very clear by your posts and comments to others.

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

Psssssst! Didn't you quit two issues ago?

Anyway. Yes. I was snarky when I said it was like talking to a brick wall. Because in response to both my own post and Justaris' post the OP ignored that we disagreed with him and instead tried to spin it into support for himself.

My comment on the Deletion of the Rogue Isles was part of a -long- thread in which I discussed the feasibility of a game world in which 'Goody Two Shoes' and 'Evil' characters were not separated by a silly attempt at backstory manipulation with no point.

And thank you! =-3 We're currently picking our Engine out and have our leveling mechanics pre-tested. What do you think, Panda3D (Python's a pretty easy language to learn overall) or NeoAxis? It's a prettier engine and most of the utilities are in place (it's in beta) but without a decent support section it could be a stumbling block...

I'm glad you think I lack Common Sense. Now by all means: Dissect the post above yours where I discussed the infeasibility of non-binary control effects based on player survivability. And then come up with a system all your own where the issues I highlighted -aren't- issues!

-Rachel-

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stamina - this power isnt needed because we have blue inspirations. when your end gets low, just pop those.
who needs a whole new power.

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Agreed, Stamina is not needed for most ATs and Power-set combos. However, most people who Min/Max their characters will disagree. Because not having Stamina will reduce their precious DPS.

As for the Original "suggestion" and its revisions. There is not need for them either. Many people, Those I know an those I've only run with occasionally (or once), have had very few problems with being mezzed regardless of the ATs they're using.

B_I,
In regards to Steampunkette "showing her true colors", You've also shown yours on many occasions. Just sayin'

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There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"

ummm yeah well

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Yes. I was snarky

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So you can be snarky and insulting but you are requesting others to...

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Stop being insulting

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LOL

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I'm glad you think I lack Common Sense

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You always paint that picture well.

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

I like how you were snarky and insulting there, and still look down on my common sense. Yet, somehow, you're unable to go through with my challenge.

If I truly lack common sense, then you should be able to tear that post apart with a little logic. Why haven't you?

And there's a difference between being snarky in response to having your post spun into something it isn't and chasing after someone through various threads whilst badmouthing them. Which is what you've done...

-Rachel-

*edited for typo

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Need some enforced morale on this thread.

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Keep trying, it's very cute.

How about this. When you start challenging yourself to use more common sense and less snark perhaps I'll indulge you and your little challenges.

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a little logic

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This is very useful, perhaps you should start using it.

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

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Keep trying, it's very cute.

How about this. When you start challenging yourself to use more common sense and less snark perhaps I'll indulge you and your little challenges.

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To me this reads as "I can't, because your logic is airtight. However admitting to that fact would prove I was bluffing and insulting you for no reason. Instead I'll be insulting and degrading as I have been since I entered this thread, deriding your intelligence, ability, and common sense."

That about right?

-Rachel-

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A+ thread. Would read again!

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This is very useful, perhaps you should start using it.

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I don't want an entire new pool devoted to Status Protection, what I'd like is mitigation between the two extremes we have now of GODMODE and NONE. This could easily be inserted somewheres within various primary and secondary pools we have now.

But hey, lets take everything out of all pools and just use Inspirations. For the win!


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I refer the honorable lady to this list posted upthrread
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Sleep resistance (Currently in health)
Stun resistance (Aid Self)
hold Resistance (Acrobatics has protection and resistance)
immob Resistance (Combat jumping has protection, weave has resistance)
Slow Resistance (Not Truly present, but hasten and superspeed mitigate -recharge and -slow)
Confuse and Fear Resistance (Tactics)

and one that is not available from anyone for a self buff from their primary or secondary
taunt/placate resistance (assault)

Vengance has a whole basket of goodness
Protect(Fear, Knockback, Knockup, Repel),
Resist(Fear, Disorient, Sleep, Immobilize, Hold, Confuse, Taunt, Placate)

but that is very situational and of course stimulant is available to anyone with its grab bag of protection grant able to others.



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And by all means. Stop being insulting, you'll likely be banned for it, eventually.

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Given the fact that you insulted me first in this and other threads, and given the fact that you have flamed the OP and others to hell and back in this thread, I will most likely be banned after you are, Fuzzy Pink Cthulhu.

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Until then stop complaining about 'GOD MODE or NONE'

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When I start taking orders from you you'll be first to know, Fuzzy Pink Cthulhu. Till then, get over yourself.... or use an Inspiration for that. As we all know, Insps. fix everything. I hope you do not slot your powers, enhancements are a waste of resources, with so many INSPIRATIONS out there....!

Binary statuses FTL:
Bad

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*Sleep resistance (Currently in health)

...Have you ever relied on this? Seriously? Lawl.

*Aid Self

... serious aggro-magnet of a power, very interruptible.

*hold Resistance (Acrobatics has protection and resistance)

Yeah no kidding. The only problem here is 1. tight builds and 2. extreme END costs.

*immob Resistance (Combat jumping has protection, weave has resistance)

I don't care about Immob resistance, this isnt a problem for me.

*Confuse and Fear Resistance (Tactics)

See: tight builds. I don't have room to put this atrociously END-hoggy pool on every last alt I build.

*and one that is not available from anyone for a self buff from their primary or secondary taunt/placate resistance (assault)

.... MY Blasters and Defenders and Corrs can get taunt...? And they would want it if they could? Who knew.

*Vengance has a whole basket of goodness

....Especially if i am dead, right? Lawl.

*Protect(Fear, Knockback, Knockup, Repel),
Resist(Fear, Disorient, Sleep, Immobilize, Hold, Confuse, Taunt, Placate)

Needless to say, not all ATs have access to these powers. And so yeah, I question the idea that my Blaster is supposed to feel safer because of [for instance] Confuse; a power he or she doesnt even have access to. I have also never seen KB protect me or anyone from a mez or a sleep, but clearly... sheesh. This is ridiculous.

You people act like because a few ATs have GODMODE, that this is some Ultimate Answer for every last character in the game. My Blaster could care less that that tanker at the other end of the RWZ has GODMODE mez-protection. She's busy worrying if Stunning Arrow is actually going to hit that Mesmerist she's sighting down the shaft at.

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*Aid Self

... serious aggro-magnet of a power, very interruptible.

[/ QUOTE ]I can discount everything you say now. Because you just said Aid Self is an aggro-magnet power.

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*Confuse and Fear Resistance (Tactics)

See: tight builds. I don't have room to put this atrociously END-hoggy pool on every last alt I build.

[/ QUOTE ]See: something like 3 armor sets even have those protections. (Dark and WP have fear protection, and Stone has confusion protection. Pretty sure that's all. Definitely not a "main status protection")

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This thread is hysterical. BI being BI, and riling everyone else up...when they should know better. Brilliant. Brilliant.

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*hold Resistance (Acrobatics has protection and resistance)

Yeah no kidding. The only problem here is 1. tight builds and 2. extreme END costs.

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*Confuse and Fear Resistance (Tactics)

See: tight builds. I don't have room to put this atrociously END-hoggy pool on every last alt I build.

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Question for you. Did you even READ the OP of this thread? You keep complaining about "tight builds", and this entire thread is based on the premise of arguing the usefulness of an entirely new mez protection power pool.

If you can't find room in your build for Acrobatics or Tactics, how are you going to have room for an entirely new power pool that A) other things can serve the same purpose as, and B) will count against your 4 power pool limit?

All this time you've been using "my build is too tight" as a reason you can't take any of those aforementioned abilities while completely ignoring the fact that the originally suggested idea in the thread was ANOTHER POWER POOL!!!!

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/runs away

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