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Yes, i might give it 5 stars if it was the very very very best story ever but to me it is like giving a 10 at the olympic games for gymnastic or artistic skating. It is very unlikely.
[/ QUOTE ]Hey, unlikely is fine. 5 stars is supposed to be the best after all. But, the 5th star is meant to be used, so refusing to ever use it does defeat the purpose of even having it in the game.
Please remember what I said, if nothing is ever perfect then 5 stars obviously does not mean perfect. A 5 star rating is supposed to be an attainable goal, and since Micheal Crichton, Stephen King, David Weber, Harold Coyle and Tom Clancy probably don't play CoH/V then you simply can not expect a player written story-arc to live up to their standard of writting.
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[/ QUOTE ]Well yeah, except that "I never give nothing 5 stars cause ain't nothing perfect" is not a criteria. It's a "I'm gonna [censored] over every player whose arc I play." Look, I'm not saying that you have to 5 star something because anyone else says so, not even because I say so, but it has to at least be a possibility.
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Too bad the rating system doesnt work with a 1 to 10 value. Id probably never give 10s but i might give 9,8 and 7s quite often.
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Look at it this way, a 4 in a 5 star system is the same as either a 7 or an 8 in a 10 star system. So a 5 out of 5 is either a 9 or a 10. So since you'd award 9s then you can feel free to award 5s. Not often mind you, but the possibility should exist.
To the OP:
Setting aside the "oh woe is me" vibe of your post, has it occured to you that starting threads like this will have the potential to invite the attention of more of these supposed griefers toward your arc?
And I agree to the comments being made that raters don't owe you any written feedback. I agree that it's only proper that written feedback be given to point what's good or bad about the arc, but to expect to be entitled to them is a little overboard.
wow, this much crap over some low ratings? I wish it mattered enough to me to play your arcs and 1 star them, but I just don't care enough.
The more people I meet, the more I'm beginning to root for the zombies.
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it's funny, I didn't think people would get all huffy and puffy over what I said *shrug* I guess my opinion would go over better if there was a question survey instead and had you answer: Agree, Somewhat Agree, Strongly Agree, Neutral, Disagree, Somewhat Disagree and Strongly Disagree, and there would be a assigned number of points to each of those answers.
Heh, if someone is gonna grief my story, I don't really care, it was made for fun and based off of a comedy show skit.
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If you're refusing to give 5 stars to any story-arc then you either do not understand what a 5 star system is supposed to be OR you are intentionally griefing others by refusing to give 5 stars to the story-arcs that deserve to have 5 stars. In other words: if you're playing MA story-arcs and intentionally refusing to give any of them 5-stars, then are either an idiot or you are griefing.
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Insulting me won't get you anywhere, but maybe someone can change my mind, who knows. As it stands, I've yet to give anyone 5 stars cause I've always found something I didn't care for. I'm not screwing nobody over because I don't give them 5 stars, now maybe if I was a [censored] and 1-2 starred everybody, you'd have a point.
As far as that teacher goes who refused to give students a A no matter what, that's a whole different story. Feel free to correct me if I'm off with any of these numbers for school grade structure:
A = 90% to 100%
B = 80% to 89%
C = 75% to 79%
D = 70% to 74%
F = 69% and below *though I've seem some schools had it that a D was 65% to 69%*
To not give a student a A at all is utterly impossible in the school system from my understanding.
I wish that MA would somehow show a breakdown of the decimal points. A drop from a 5 to a 4 might just be a drop to a 4 and 3/4 stars, or something.
The Rating system is ultimately just a joke though. Farm maps full of nothing but Lts or Bosses get 5-starred. SFMA content gets lowballed or not played because they're not good Tickets/XP. Some of those Dev Choices...I've played better arcs that aren't dev choiced. Without some random dev giving it a shiny golden star indicating you should rate it 5 stars they probably wouldn't be sitting on 999+ 5 Stars either.
I wish they kept some sort of short number of anonymous reviews (key point--anonymous so internet psychos can't stalk you for not loving their Mary Sue character who hangs out with Manticore and Statesman wishes he was as cool as). Maybe I could look at see a poorly written comment saying "UR ARC R SUX" with a 1-star so I could realize, 'Gee, that guy doesn't exactly sound like someone I would trust to review an arc' but another review with a 1 star that reads, "Your Custom mobs are all extremely difficult. A surprise ambush of 3 /Ninjitsu Archvillains when I complete random mission objective is not cool" sounds like a convincing argument to not do the arc because it legitimately is bad.
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And like the other guy said, if an arc is not worth an A then i have no choice but to give the next rating below which is 4 ( B+,B,B- ).
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Correct. If an arc is not worth an A, you should give it a B (or lower, as appropriate).
What people have a problem with is you saying that 99.9% isn't worth an A when A corresponds to 100% right and B corresponds to 80% right, especially when you also believe every single person who ever has or ever will take the test is guaranteed to get at least one answer wrong.
You are allowed to use any rating scheme you want, including your original plan of automatically giving a 1 to anything with a high rating because you felt it was more likely to have that rating from collusion than actual merit. We're also allowed to point out that if you're honestly trying to rate based on content, it's better for everyone involved if you utilized the entire range of the scale, since it's pretty apparent that's what the devs intended, and it's probably what most players use. When raters don't all use the same scale, it's harder to compare or collect their ratings meaningfully.
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[/ QUOTE ]What I said was really really not intended as an insult. It was intended as a statement of fact, and that's what it is. While I realize that this is the internet and so people are prone to take offense at the slightest provocation, the fact is that a simple IF/THEN statement is not an insult. For example: IF you intentionally refuse to ever give people a decent rating even though you know they deserve one THEN you're being a jerk. <--- There's no insult there, this is a simple statement of fact. Notice that I did not say that you were doing this, and I did not say you were being a jerk, because I do not know what you're actually doing.
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I've yet to give anyone 5 stars cause I've always found something I didn't care for.
[/ QUOTE ]That's completely understandable. "I haven't given anyone 5 stars yet" is a far far cry from "nobody deserves 5 stars."
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I'm not screwing nobody over because I don't give them 5 stars...
[/ QUOTE ]You are absolutely correct! You are not screwing people over if you don't give their story-arc 5 stars. However, if you refuse to ever give anyone 5 stars ever no matter how good their story is, no matter how much you like it, no matter what else ad infinitum (as some posters have implied) then you are screwing over at least some of the MA writers. You're not stupid, you know this. Let's not argue semantics.
I think that this discussion gives some credence to the claim that the amount of people that are actively griefing is actually very small. I for one believe that the majority of the time writers are either upset that someone dared to give them less than 5 stars and/or people out there just don't understand how a 5 star rating system is supposed to work.
eh, I'd probably consider it a bad choice of words on both our parts 
even possibly suggesting such a thing, even in real life people can take it the wrong way, not just the internet 
looking at my first post...yeah...edited at 6:10am...I stay up late too often >.>
There should probably be more stars or the ability to 1/2 star someone.
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As far as that teacher goes who refused to give students a A no matter what, that's a whole different story. Feel free to correct me if I'm off with any of these numbers for school grade structure:
A = 90% to 100%
B = 80% to 89%
C = 75% to 79%
D = 70% to 74%
F = 69% and below *though I've seem some schools had it that a D was 65% to 69%*
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I've never seen a grading system where C's were only 5% of the scale, and I've taught classes at four different universities. Generally, C's are 70-79, D's are in the 60s, and F's are 59 or below. May differ in other parts of the world. Of course, we're being pushed to move to a +/- system now, since 10-point ranges weren't recognizing meaningful distinctions among students, blah blah blah.
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To not give a student a A at all is utterly impossible in the school system from my understanding.
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That is incorrect. The only way it's impossible is if the instructor is using a variation of "grading on the curve" in which the 90-100% range is defined as the top 10% of students. Most instructors define the range based on points earned, however, on the combination of tests and assignments. If an instructor writes hard enough tests that no one gets above 80% correct on them, it's absolutely possible for none of the students to earn enough total points to earn 90% of the overall points in the class.
Most of the time, instructors who are doing this kind of thing are (a) trying in a misguided way to teach some sort of life lesson about how evaluations aren't important, (b) old and cranky and convinced that students who don't get challenged don't learn, and the low evaluations and nasty comments on ratemyprofessors.com don't matter because they've already got tenure, or (c) compensating for small genitals by engaging in a competition with their students, which the students are in no position to be able to win.
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In one of my undergrad classes, the average on our tests was in the 25% range. My 35% score earned me a B.
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They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
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Current grading system in my town.
A = 100-92%
B = 91-83%
C = 82-74%
D = 73-65%
F = 64 or lower
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In one of my undergrad classes, the average on our tests was in the 25% range. My 35% score earned me a B.
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Side note
Many terrible professors will grade on a curve when they are unable to convey the information to the students in a way that helps them to acutually learn anything.
I am given options to rate stuff as i see fit and that is just what i do.
On a purely philosophical basis, you are of course free to draw your own line in the sand and stand by it.
The rest of us are free to point out how unreasonable your standards are.
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I am given options to rate stuff as i see fit and that is just what i do.
On a purely philosophical basis, you are of course free to draw your own line in the sand and stand by it.
The rest of us are free to point out how unreasonable your standards are.
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Fair enough. Not that i ever claimed to be a reasonable person anyway
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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This sort of thing happens everywhere. Stories on writing.com, littlebigplanet levels, facebook applications, and topics created in this very forum.
Any time you give people the ability to rate something, the haters come out of the woodwork and ruin any validity the rating system has.
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I do not give a damn about what other players thinked about a story and how they rated it....
...because almost every arcs i played were not that much impressive or that much bad.
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With grammar like this, I can barely give this post 2 stars.
...Seriously, "thinked"?
...That's an awfully unsteady high horse you're on...
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I do not give a damn about what other players thinked about a story and how they rated it....
...because almost every arcs i played were not that much impressive or that much bad.
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With grammar like this, I can barely give this post 2 stars.
...Seriously, "thinked"?
...That's an awfully unsteady high horse you're on...
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Hey! Do i look like im an american or a british? I do my best with your strange language and if you rate my writing 2 stars, i am not too much disapointed. It means im gettin better haha 
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Hey! Do i look like im an american or a british? I do my best with your strange language and if you rate my writing 2 stars, i am not too much disapointed. It means im gettin better haha
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You know the funny thing is that I am American, and I'm so used to my fellow Americans and their unwillingness to correctly use our language that I didn't even notice that your grammar wasn't perfect.
May I ask what your native language is?
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Hey! Do i look like im an american or a british? I do my best with your strange language and if you rate my writing 2 stars, i am not too much disapointed. It means im gettin better haha
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You know the funny thing is that I am American, and I'm so used to my fellow Americans and their unwillingness to correctly use our language that I didn't even notice that your grammar wasn't perfect.
May I ask what your native language is?
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French. I live in Quebec. I learned english watching Star Trek and Babylon 5 haha
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
I routinely give 1 star to missions that I think are bad. I'm shocked by so many 3 star stories that have NO story. With custom characters that have no info descriptions. Am I griefing if I give my honest opinion? Some people are too nice, and give 3 or 4 stars out of misguided kindness.
I tend to be honest with my ratings. I don't 5 star every arc that I run, not even the arcs of my friends.
I've run a few Dev's Choice arcs that I didn't feel deserved the honor. One would have been a 4 star arc in my opinion, and I rated it as such when I played it. Great storyline, but the typos were abundant and the grammar was sketchy.
A 5 star rating means something about your arc stood out to me. Good story, few typos, engaging plot, fun missions, humor, something that makes it unique. An otherwise 4 star arc that actually makes me crack up laughing will get the bump to a 5 star.
If I give a 4 star rating it means I liked your arc, but I didn't think it was the greatest. I can overlook a typo or two here and there, but an arc that looks like it was never checked for them because they are in every bit of text will lose a star from me. If your story and plot are good, and the missions fun, but it looks like you've never heard of a spellchecker, you will not get above a 4 from me. At least make an attempt to make it legible.
If I give a 3 star rating it means I felt your arc was average.
2 if I felt it was a bad attempt at a real story.
I 1 star obvious farms. If you can't be bothered to give your contact dialog for the mission you don't deserve a good rating. If I click on the contact and he tells me "w" or "...." or "Kill stuff" It's getting one-starred.
Hell, during the whole Comm Officer craze I made a farm arc that stood out because it actually had a story. I went out of my way to write dialog for the contact that explained why the hell the Rikti are out in such numbers and why they sent nothing but Comm Officers. The storyline was you were saving the contact's farm from "Them damned alien crop thieves" If you're gonna make a farm, at least give it a reason for existing aside from "kill rikti"
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I think some people are thinking of ratings as being like "grades" given for papers. Getting a low grade from a teacher without accompanying feedback or reasoning doesn't accomplish the goals of the teaching environment, and is frustrating to encounter as a student.
But these ratings aren't like that. Their primary purpose isn't to benefit the author; their primary purpose is to benefit other players. If, while giving a rating, a player wants to leave comments for an author, only then are they assuming a task in any way analogous to that of a teacher (though it's really peer review) - up to that point, IMHO there is no reviewer relationship between player and author, only between player and general audience.
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This. I never understood this linkage between ratings and comments. One has NOTHING to do with the other. Especially since the devs built the system, so that you DON'T have to leave any comment whether you give a 5 or 1 star. That should tell authors something.
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I do not give a damn about what other players thinked about a story and how they rated it. I never give a 5 and i never give a 1. It really is that simple.
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Now I'm confused. I distinctly recall you once saying you would only give stories ratings of 5 or 1, based only on whether they had bad or good average ratings already and not on their contents at all. When did that change?
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I changed when i started to actually care about the arcs i was trying. And like the other guy said, if an arc is not worth an A then i have no choice but to give the next rating below which is 4 ( B+,B,B- ).
Too bad the rating system doesnt work with a 1 to 10 value. Id probably never give 10s but i might give 9,8 and 7s quite often.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire