Dont quote me on this, but as long as he wasnt swearing overy other word and using racial tarms he should be alright. The instituted a word filter so they wouldnt have to crack down on things like that. if people deicde to tirn off the filter and then complain about use of certain words then its their own problem.
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That said, in generally private channels, such as global channels or SG channels, or even in tells to somebody that you know well, it's generally allowed. However, that doesn't mean that somebody can't petition it.
If petitioned, the chat logs will be retrieved by the GMs, and they will make a case-by-case decision as to the extent of the foul language and, if actionable, the extent of action they would take. If it's a first offense, it might be nothing more than an e-mail reminding them of the game policy. If it has happened before, then there might be increasing punishments.
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The instituted a word filter so they wouldnt have to crack down on things like that. if people deicde to tirn off the filter and then complain about use of certain words then its their own problem.
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There is also this. Obviously, the other person had turned off their filter so that they could see the swears. As such, just swearing is a little better than racial remarks, which might not be censored by the game's filter.
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agreed, that is generally the line MMO companies draw.
Swearing=somewhat acceptable
Race/religon/gay bashing = never acceptable.
Keep this in mind and you should avoid the GM ban hammers ^_^
I got petitioned for dropping an F Bomb in broadcast in a PvP zone.
I won't go into details, as it isn't relevant, but I petitioned someone else for an offense. And I'm guessing they petitioned me back as revenge.
I couldn't really argue about it though because I DID say it.
I got a warning as it was my first offense.
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Dont quote me on this, but as long as he wasnt swearing overy other word and using racial tarms he should be alright.
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Wrong wrong wrong. The filter is completely and totally irrelevant as far as the rules are concerned.
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Wrong wrong wrong. The filter is completely and totally irrelevant as far as the rules are concerned.
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This is indeed true. Deliberately BYPASSING the filter using l33t speak and the like is most definately actionable.
Of course typos and the like happen, which is why the filter is there. I still get ribbed for after getting the power "chum spray" in the SG channel joking about "sprays chum over <character>"
I managed to drop the letter "h" and cause much amusement for the folks who have the filter off.
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Dont quote me on this, but as long as he wasnt swearing overy other word and using racial tarms he should be alright. The instituted a word filter so they wouldnt have to crack down on things like that. if people deicde to tirn off the filter and then complain about use of certain words then its their own problem.
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The filter doesn't make swearing ok. It's still a violation of the agreement and can be actionable.
You dirty, dirty Catwhoorg.
The filter is there. It doesn't remove that section of EULA.
I'm pretty sure the game doesn't have a giant "chat-swear-detector" running in the background. GMs only get out the nasty tools when they receive a petition.
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That said, in generally private channels, such as global channels or SG channels, or even in tells to somebody that you know well, it's generally allowed. However, that doesn't mean that somebody can't petition it.
If petitioned, the chat logs will be retrieved by the GMs, and they will make a case-by-case decision as to the extent of the foul language and, if actionable, the extent of action they would take. If it's a first offense, it might be nothing more than an e-mail reminding them of the game policy. If it has happened before, then there might be increasing punishments.
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I saw that section, and it was my interpretation of it that you couldn't say something like "You're a bleeping moron" or "Shove it up your bleep you bleep." But something along the lines of "Bleep that" or "That bleeping Hellion just pwned my bleep" may be acceptable, since you're swearing about an NPC.
Generally, this guy tends to aggro people in PvP zones and is not well liked, so I can assume the person that threatened to petition him was just exacting vengeance on him. But it's also something I wondered about as well. Thanks for the replies. 
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...13215694#Walls
GM Llyods City scoop article on just this topic.
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GM Llyods City scoop article on just this topic.
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Excellent link, definitely should be instantly posted in any thread where someone even utters the word 'chat filter' 
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The instituted a word filter so they wouldnt have to crack down on things like that. if people deicde to tirn off the filter and then complain about use of certain words then its their own problem.
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There is also this. Obviously, the other person had turned off their filter so that they could see the swears. As such, just swearing is a little better than racial remarks, which might not be censored by the game's filter.
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Having it caught by the filter doesn't mean it's okay - especially as some of us turn the filter off for false-positives (I mean, come on! We have a developer who's name can't be posted without either a) censorship or b) trickery. And N8 Van **** is an awesome guy from what I see)
And as far as PvP goes - they tolerate smack talk, but smack and swearing are not necessarily the same thing.
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Excellent link, definitely should be instantly posted in any thread where someone even utters the word 'chat filter'
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I ahd to go digging 'by hand' through old scoops, which is why it took a while.
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Excellent! I thought I saw this somewhere before, forgot it was in a Scoop.
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That said, in generally private channels, such as global channels or SG channels, or even in tells to somebody that you know well, it's generally allowed. However, that doesn't mean that somebody can't petition it.
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No, it's not "generally allowed". It's just reported far less often.
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I think the golden rule is that if there's nobody listening who'll get offended, you're fine. But don't assume that someone won't get offended in a public channel.
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Depending on the standards that NCSoft uses, regardless of who hears, offensive is offensive. WHen I worked for a major retail chain renting movies, they told us we could be disciplined not only for harassing someone but for making any comment that a "reasonable third party" would find offensive or harassing.
In other words, I wasn't offended, you weren't offended, but if a "reasonable third party" had overheard us and be offended, I'd be in trouble. It's a thin line because in theory private tells are private but I think the policy was to head off "I didn't think she'd be offended, man!"
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What I meant was, if you make horribly offensive comments on a team of people where you know they won't mind, or in an empty channel where no other player can actually see it, you're fine. Dunno why you'd want to in the first place though.
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Depending on the standards that NCSoft uses, regardless of who hears, offensive is offensive.
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Yes, but if no one who hears it finds it offensive, then no one will be likely to report it.
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Depending on the standards that NCSoft uses, regardless of who hears, offensive is offensive.
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Yes, but if no one who hears it finds it offensive, then no one will be likely to report it.
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And if it's not reported, I'm pretty sure the GMs won't act on that type of stuff even if they stumble across it.
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And if it's not reported, I'm pretty sure the GMs won't act on that type of stuff even if they stumble across it.
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Of course they will. It's their job.
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Only for a particular interpretation of "their job". Their job is to reduce complaints and keep the game a civil place for players. Snooping on private communications that have generated no complaints and censoring people who are having conversations that offend no one doesn't seem to me to fit that bill. I can only imagine that increasing complaints, which is not their job.
I don't know for certain if they will or won't, but without actually working there we don't know what GMs are prone to do and what, exactly, the company policies allow and/or obligate them to do.
I team with the Repeat Offenders.
Right, I'm pathetic, I know. I read through the Rules of Conduct and the entirety of the EULA, but I'm still unsure about this.
My SG boss asked me the other day if swearing was against the rules, and if he could be reprimanded and/or banned for using it. I believe he was in a PvP zone at the time he got threatened, and I think there's a "little smack talk is acceptable in a PvP zone" rule or such. I told him not to worry, but did I do wrong?
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