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Yeah, we were gonna do an ITF because of the repairmen bug with the STF
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
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Well...
Did an All Scrapper ITF, not many of us who had declared our intent came, but it was what it was.
I feel we should have done better...
I have written a full assessment of it, and observations about it but I'm not sure if its too harsh.
How's about we try it again next Sunday?
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I'd be up for it again. Might bring spines/fire this time.
And I totally want to read your full, no-holds-barred assessment. 
heh... let me know if its acurate according to what you saw 
Well as I said Shawn-Sage and I did an all scrapper ITF...
Unfortunately [as far as I am aware] no one else from the forums came to join in.
I felt real good about it when we were making the team, it was just the two of us and we went and duoed Kraken. A Kat/Regen joined and we killed time fighting on the wall in Cimerora.
The team filled, I feel it may have been a bad decision to allow two sidekicks, Kat/WP and FM/* [I think he was wp, but can't remember].
I set the death limit to 5 with a 2 hour clock for stat reasons, perhaps morbid curiosity.
We failed the death challenge after the second or third fight.
After going through with it all the way to Romulus, I truly believe an All Scrapper ITF w/o pets is possible, just a few ingredients are needed.
All characters must be 50!
All characters must have good survivability [tested with RWZ Challenge, Pylon, AVs, the wall in Cimerora (if you can't survive the wall solo, how can you expect to fight more)]
All characters must have decent DPS.
Now to explain:
Leading this expedition a few things became painfully evident, anyone sked was dying too much to be effective.
There were often times that I was fighting alone while the rest of the team was dead or dying, Scratch [Shawn-Sage] kept pulling aggro off the others and paid the price for that. If each team member was as survivable as the two of us were, it would have been a walk in the park. [Perez Park... if you must know]
When a team of Scrappers can't manage the dps to drop Rommy when everyone is attacking him... something is obviously wrong [I kept getting eaten alive by the auto-hit]
If all of us were 50, if all of us could survive without support, and if we had all had some focus on DPS, success would have been ours.
Shawn... do you think that'd be an accurate assessment?
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
Dang it!! I'm mad I missed that. How long did it take?
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
@Riez on Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted server.
3 hours... we didn't finish 
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
Aww dang. I hate when that happens.
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
@Riez on Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted server.
Sorry to hear about the ITF guys. Admittedly once we canceled the STF I wandered off to greener pastures for the weekend. What caused the loss, Nicto-rommy?
Infatum on Virtueverse
Bah. I should have showed up, then. I kind of tuned out since there were so many people interested. I suppose it's been a while since I've farmed the wall in Cimerora, so I should reconfirm that I don't have issues with my Katana/Regen before volunteering. My Dark Melee/Super Reflexes would probably be a better choice for the ITF, but he's on Victory, not Virtue.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Sorry to hear about the ITF guys. Admittedly once we canceled the STF I wandered off to greener pastures for the weekend. What caused the loss, Nicto-rommy?
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Yeah, I didn't make it either. The Fatthim TF we did is gonna be my last hurrah for CoH. Keep up the good scrapperness!
Sorry to see you go Transhade. It's been an absolute blast to fight by your side.
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Sorry to hear about the ITF guys. Admittedly once we canceled the STF I wandered off to greener pastures for the weekend. What caused the loss, Nicto-rommy?
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When Shawn showed up and we were killing time Kraken popped up in PP, I'm bored, no ones biting. We go and kill Kraken, just the two scrappers against the golgathan.
I felt good, if two of us could take out a GM, Rommie had no chance!
But as I said earlier after two fights 5 deaths or more... It would have been easier to drag a platoon of marines up a hill... in the desert.
All the key points they dropped like flies. Phalanx, Requiem, Romulus [pre-nic]. With Shado having siphon life that helped me survive along with soft-cap of course. How does regen drop faster then I can toggle up? My first death occurred simultaneously with the phalanx going down. I died one more time when Rommie got a lucky swing. One of the dead scrappers by Phalanx was feeding me greens while I killed Phalanx... solo.
The end proved too hard, but I've never seen scrappers drop like that. Not even in standard PuGs, it was like all of them were used to fighting with full "Standard" teams.
Werner, we did have a Kat/Regen, she had a few IOs on her, and next to Shawn and Me, by far the most effective of the rest. But I agree, Sergei probably would be better for it.
Transhade, I'll admit I was tempted to go play on that one as well. Sorry to see you go, "Brothers in Arms!"
I stand by my feeling that if everyone was a fully capable scrapper, you know the kind that yawns when they wade through a "Heroic" TF... Basically those of us on here.
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
I somehow completely missed your earlier write up. I blame Monday >_>
Having just done a few ITFs recently I've seen some pretty bad performances even with debuffers and buffers on an otherwise competent team. Usually the main issues I see are ignoring the ambushes or letting Rommy clump up with his nicti (notably the auto-damage one). Even well supported teams can crash and burn fast when that happens, or end up stalling as no one can hit Rommy due to his phalanx fighting (while the leader continues to yell "All on Rommy! Ignore the ambushes!" *facepalm*)
I've tanked him without any support and a near wiped team, so an all scrapper ITF should be very doable. The big thing would be to pull him far enough away from the auto damage to a point where it doesn't want to catch up just yet, but you can fight Rommy without getting fried. Do that, and deal with the ambushes as they come (you may have already done that), and you should be golden. May not hurt to have some AoE heavy scrappers to purge the summons if they start to get bad too, but they're generally not an issue by themselves.
Infatum on Virtueverse
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Yeah, I didn't make it either. The Fatthim TF we did is gonna be my last hurrah for CoH. Keep up the good scrapperness!
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We're going to miss you on our TF Scranker runs Transhade. You're even crazier than me most of the time, which is of course a source of unending respect on my part 
Infatum on Virtueverse
I can agree with that, on the other hand I've seen teams that should fail succeed.
My first ITF, the leader had it set to Challenge rating 5, our "tank" was a WS in dwarf, we only had two 50's and half the team was sidekicked. It was the most fun I had had until I descovered the scrapper forum! We did the Tf in 2.5 hours... give or take a few minutes.
Well played team everyone knew their role.
I'll give the others a note of credit... they knew what they were getting into, I asked for no whining and I got none, despite the numerous deaths... so it may be that in the future they'll look into what scrappers can really do!
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
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It's one of our super powers!
When Regen drops, it's often very fast. The line between perfect and dead is sometimes a fraction of a second of reaction time. Don't be surprised if I just suddenly faceplant out of nowhere if I'm on the ITF next weekend. Now, SO FAR, the Cimerorans haven't killed my main. But I've also never run an ITF, so it could easily get ugly.
Or if we run on test, I can bring Dark Melee/Super Reflexes instead, which sounds like it would be cruise control except for the autohit Nictus.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
Videos of Other Stupid Scrapper Tricks
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How does regen drop faster then I can toggle up?
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It's one of our super powers!
When Regen drops, it's often very fast. The line between perfect and dead is sometimes a fraction of a second of reaction time. Don't be surprised if I just suddenly faceplant out of nowhere if I'm on the ITF next weekend. Now, SO FAR, the Cimerorans haven't killed my main. But I've also never run an ITF, so it could easily get ugly.
Or if we run on test, I can bring Dark Melee/Super Reflexes instead, which sounds like it would be cruise control except for the autohit Nictus.
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My first 50 was regen... can't say I dropped as fast as they were. Honestly I don't think you'd find yourself in a situation that's any harder then a RWZ challenge.
But yes, I think I'd enjoy it on Test as well.
Next Sunday night at 7pm Est we'll try it again, on test.
If needed we'll do two teams... make a race out of it.
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
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I can agree with that, on the other hand I've seen teams that should fail succeed.
My first ITF, the leader had it set to Challenge rating 5, our "tank" was a WS in dwarf, we only had two 50's and half the team was sidekicked. It was the most fun I had had until I descovered the scrapper forum! We did the Tf in 2.5 hours... give or take a few minutes.
Well played team everyone knew their role.
I'll give the others a note of credit... they knew what they were getting into, I asked for no whining and I got none, despite the numerous deaths... so it may be that in the future they'll look into what scrappers can really do!
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On Pinnacle, All Scrapper ITFs used to be run regularly. I was on a few of them. It's definitely doable and easily done. Not as fast as an ITF debuff team but it can be knocked out in about 1 to 1.5 hours. In fact, we save a ton of time by instructing all the scrappers to basically solo/duo each Nictus cyst themselves in the 2nd Nictus mission and just ignore the ambushes. That way, you triple the efficiency of the team and get the longest mish down in record time.
You really need 50s, all 8 of them to survive the cascading defense debuffs of the Cims and to be able to handle a mob until help arrives. Also, at appropriate times, the leader will designate a targetter, usually a /SR scrapper to be the point person for focus damage.
It just requires a little organization.
I'll give it a go on test. I think I've done the ITF once or twice, can't really remember.
Could bring my Claws/SR, Fire/Shielder or maybe to change it up a bit, my Kat/Fire...
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How does regen drop faster then I can toggle up?
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It's one of our super powers!
When Regen drops, it's often very fast. The line between perfect and dead is sometimes a fraction of a second of reaction time. Don't be surprised if I just suddenly faceplant out of nowhere if I'm on the ITF next weekend. Now, SO FAR, the Cimerorans haven't killed my main. But I've also never run an ITF, so it could easily get ugly.
Or if we run on test, I can bring Dark Melee/Super Reflexes instead, which sounds like it would be cruise control except for the autohit Nictus.
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My first 50 was regen... can't say I dropped as fast as they were. Honestly I don't think you'd find yourself in a situation that's any harder then a RWZ challenge.
But yes, I think I'd enjoy it on Test as well.
Next Sunday night at 7pm Est we'll try it again, on test.
If needed we'll do two teams... make a race out of it.
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Ugh, now I gotta set up a Test client. 
Generally, I agree with your conclusions, Ozmeth. I do think having someone not defense based get the aura Nictus away would be ideal.
I'll bring my spines/fire this time. She does the wall just fine, and I'm not nearly done with her build yet. I'll take the opportunity to transfer Scratch to test as well, and strip the purples and uniques to put on my spines. Any volunteers to help?
I can join the run on Test, Sunday July 12th at 7 PM EST. I have a Kat/Inv (freshly IOd, and on test I can add the missing purples for a complete build).
Celeste Cat
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
OK, if it won't be any worse than a RWZ challenge, then I'll probably go ahead and bring Werner (Katana/Regen). Seems like it would be more fun than sleepwalking through on Sergei (Dark Melee/Super Reflexes). I'll probably make the choice on the day of, since who knows what sort of mood I'll be in that day.
So yeah, I'm in.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
Videos of Other Stupid Scrapper Tricks
Well if there are 2 team I could go for this. I don't know what Scrapper I'll bring yet but right now I'm looking at my DM/SD Scrapper. But like Werner said I'll probably make the choice on the day of.
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
My fire/sd did well on one this weekend but we had buffs man those beuffs hurt shield a lot more than when I ran it on my dm/sr in the past he is not as while built IO wise and does quite have the damage output of my fire/shield
If you run it on test I will see if I can make it with my fire/shield just because he is fun to play
Though I also have my katana/sr with aidself softcapped he may do better for an itf
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
Ok this is the story:
Team 1:
1. Oz
2. Iggy_Kamakaze
3. Shawn_Sage
4. Celeste Cat
5. Werner
6. BrokenPrey
7. Hejtmane
8. Rieze
We'll start forming the team at 6pm EST/5pm CST/4pm GMT?/3pm PST at 15 minutes to 7 we'll start filling with alternates.
I think I got those abbreviations right...
Shawn I can help with that transfer for you, I need to do some stuff on there too.
[edit to include Rieze]
50's: Heroes: Ozmeth DB/WP; Black Decker DM/Regen; Shado-Strike DM/SR Scrapper (13 AV soloed); Desert-Shock Claws/Elec Scrapper; Shado-Shriek Dark/Son Def
Villains: Bokken Nin/Nin
Current project(s):
An ITF?
Virtue: @Santorican
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