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I was thinking the same thing. The problem is that for it to be done, certain types of scrappers would have to be needed. I don't want this to be about powersets. Just want to grab 8 scrappers and run. Although, no temp powers no inspirations would be great indeed.
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Inspirations are fine in my book, nukes, shivans and the like are the only things that really trivialize a fight and would honestly detract from something like this. If we nuke grandville into a glowing melted smear I don't think we've really done an all scrapper STF.
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Inspirations are fine in my book, nukes, shivans and the like are the only things that really trivialize a fight and would honestly detract from something like this. If we nuke grandville into a glowing melted smear I don't think we've really done an all scrapper STF.
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While I generally agree with this sentiment, Ghost Widow just rips up the ideology. Simply put, she has too many I win buttons in this STF. Could it be done, yes, I believe it can be. The issue is how much of a PITA will it be. I REALLY like all scrapper runs, but it still needs to be fun.
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I was thinking the same thing. The problem is that for it to be done, certain types of scrappers would have to be needed. I don't want this to be about powersets. Just want to grab 8 scrappers and run. Although, no temp powers no inspirations would be great indeed.
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Inspirations are fine in my book, nukes, shivans and the like are the only things that really trivialize a fight and would honestly detract from something like this. If we nuke grandville into a glowing melted smear I don't think we've really done an all scrapper STF.
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Agreed. This is gonna be fun. The hard part is figuring out a good time to run it.
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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Inspirations are fine in my book, nukes, shivans and the like are the only things that really trivialize a fight and would honestly detract from something like this. If we nuke grandville into a glowing melted smear I don't think we've really done an all scrapper STF.
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While I generally agree with this sentiment, Ghost Widow just rips up the ideology. Simply put, she has too many I win buttons in this STF. Could it be done, yes, I believe it can be. The issue is how much of a PITA will it be. I REALLY like all scrapper runs, but it still needs to be fun.
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How about this. We get them but only use them if GW shows to be a lost cause. Dissmiss them after she is down, wait for any extra buff effects to fade, then carry on like normal.
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
@Riez on Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted server.
You need one scrapper with caltrops to run around and spread them on the towers to keep the repairers off that would help
I guess with ghost widow you need a bunch of then running tactics and spam wand and nemesis staff and any other ranged attack 
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Inspirations are fine in my book, nukes, shivans and the like are the only things that really trivialize a fight and would honestly detract from something like this. If we nuke grandville into a glowing melted smear I don't think we've really done an all scrapper STF.
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While I generally agree with this sentiment, Ghost Widow just rips up the ideology. Simply put, she has too many I win buttons in this STF. Could it be done, yes, I believe it can be. The issue is how much of a PITA will it be. I REALLY like all scrapper runs, but it still needs to be fun.
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How about this. We get them but only use them if GW shows to be a lost cause. Dissmiss them after she is down, wait for any extra buff effects to fade, then carry on like normal.
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Basically what we did. I actually convinced the team to try it with out the nukes and shivan, I encourage you to do the same. I'd love to hear of a group of scrappers pulling it off. It would just be rather demoralizing to get all the way to the last mission only to discover you can't do it. I say get your nukes and shivans, just in case. Try GW with out them, if you can't nuke the [censored] and move on.
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How about this. We get them but only use them if GW shows to be a lost cause. Dissmiss them after she is down, wait for any extra buff effects to fade, then carry on like normal.
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With the right inspirations I *should* be able to tank her from range (I have 30 NE defense normally, so I should be able to stay capped for a while with judicious purple use). While I spam warrior's challege to keep her from Dark Regening, everyone else lays the smackdown. Standard tanking practice, any reason it wouldn't work with a scrapper?
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I was on an all rad itf a few weekends ago.
I am on virtue as well. That sounds like a plan. Who else wants to be nuts and try it?
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I did an all-rad ITF a week or two ago as well. 7 Rads that time. Perhaps it was the same ITF?
Anyway, I'm on Virtue and I've got a dark/regen scrapper I can add to the mix for STF.
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The team I was on had a tank. Even though I objected to needing one. He DCed before the last mission and didn't come back before the end. So the last mission was played as it should have been. The leader was Rad Rouge and my alt was a plant/rad troller, Botany Boy R.
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Yep, that was the team I was on. I thought the tank dc'd in the second mish actually. We didn't really have to slow down or anything though, so he wasn't really missed. I was Lucifer Blaze on that TF.
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You need one scrapper with caltrops to run around and spread them on the towers to keep the repairers off that would help
I guess with ghost widow you need a bunch of then running tactics and spam wand and nemesis staff and any other ranged attack
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Caltrops are good. So would spine scrappers. And if everybody used vet powers on her the whole time, that wouldn't be very scrapper like.
If I had to say what I think we need, I'd say: 2 spines, 2 fire melle, 2 invul with unstop and comfront that weren't spines or fire, and the rest just hard hitters. Some with laser beem eyes with the -res proc wouldn't hurt. Aide other would be nice too. I'm looking at the final fight with LR. I figure the rest could be done with just knowing what we are doing.
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How about this. We get them but only use them if GW shows to be a lost cause. Dissmiss them after she is down, wait for any extra buff effects to fade, then carry on like normal.
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With the right inspirations I *should* be able to tank her from range (I have 30 NE defense normally, so I should be able to stay capped for a while with judicious purple use). While I spam warrior's challege to keep her from Dark Regening, everyone else lays the smackdown. Standard tanking practice, any reason it wouldn't work with a scrapper?
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Basically, the problem is her uber-hold. Even if you successfully taunted her from range, the moment she hits you with the uber-hold (Soul Tentatacles?) your're pretty much dead. Tankers have a better chance at surviving the uber-hold by virtue of hit points, but they often fall to these aswell with out buffs or a very attentant empath.
The group I usually run with will typically stack multiple applications of status protection Clarity/Clear Mind to prevent the uber-hold on the tanker.
Never mind it's a cone...and but one of her "I win" buttons.
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I guess with ghost widow you need a bunch of then running tactics and spam wand and nemesis staff and any other ranged attack
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I seriously doubt you will be able to match Ghost Widows regeneration rate with just Nem. Staffs/Black Wands. You're gonna need 8-7 scrappers in melee to drop her.
One scrapper with Confront at range migh work...if he has a full load of break frees or the higher tier variety.
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Basically, the problem is her uber-hold. Even if you successfully taunted her from range, the moment she hits you with the uber-hold (Soul Tentatacles?) your're pretty much dead. Tankers have a better chance at surviving the uber-hold by virtue of hit points, but they often fall to these aswell with out buffs or a very attentant empath.
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Assuming it hits (which is probably a safe assumption), 2 large break frees plus SoW is enough break out of it and between resists and 2200 HP I should be able to survive it or at least be able to pop greens at that point.
I would probably bring 5 large break frees a handful on large purples/oranges and the rest greens for that fight. Having been the subject of her wrath for brief periods of time last time I ran the STF (our tank DCed) I am fairly certain I can weather the storm for a full fight, but obviously I wouldn't know for sure until I tried.
EDIT: Scratch that, for some reason I thought her hold was only mag 50 not 100
So my new back up plan is my self rez 
Having a second scrapper who could take over taunting in that event would make this reliably doable though I think.
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Per application. In melee range she is less likely to use it, but still does. At range, she's more likely to use it and the duration is a tad ridiculous (I can't look up the actual duration ATM).
It can be dodged? With enough defense you can reduce it's impact?
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How about this. We get them but only use them if GW shows to be a lost cause. Dissmiss them after she is down, wait for any extra buff effects to fade, then carry on like normal.
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With the right inspirations I *should* be able to tank her from range (I have 30 NE defense normally, so I should be able to stay capped for a while with judicious purple use). While I spam warrior's challege to keep her from Dark Regening, everyone else lays the smackdown. Standard tanking practice, any reason it wouldn't work with a scrapper?
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Basically, the problem is her uber-hold. Even if you successfully taunted her from range, the moment she hits you with the uber-hold (Soul Tentatacles?) your're pretty much dead. Tankers have a better chance at surviving the uber-hold by virtue of hit points, but they often fall to these aswell with out buffs or a very attentant empath.
The group I usually run with will typically stack multiple applications of status protection Clarity/Clear Mind to prevent the uber-hold on the tanker.
Never mind it's a cone...and but one of her "I win" buttons.
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Soul Storm is the power. When I tanked that TF with my Inv/DM, we didn't have any CM/Clarity/Thaw and after a short while she chewed me up pretty good. The third time was the killer I think.
That's by far the worst tool at her disposal IMO.
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It can be dodged? With enough defense you can reduce it's impact?
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My understanding is that it's got the standard single target hold accuracy bonus, but otherwise is a normal power to-hit wise. I'm fairly certain she missed with it twice after our tank DCed on our STF run. She ended up hitting one of the other scrappers with it eventually though.
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Ghost Widow is problematic to an all Scrapper team for a couple reasons:
1) Dark Regen - I believe this is a 10% heal per target. While some people have soloed her as an AV, it would be worse with 8 Scrappers because not only is she a +4 in the STF (higher tohit floor) but it's also an AoE, so each time she uses it she has more chances to hit someone.
2) Soul Storm - The effects of this power (death) are well known, but the other wrinkle is that it's a 10ft AoE. Same with Dark Regen, it has a higher chance of snagging someone than if you were just solo. (I can't remember if Black Hole was AoE or not...) With those Scrappers dead & running back, that's lost dps/time which gives her more chances to hit with Dark Regen and Soul Storm.
(I believe both of the powers have a 45s recharge.)
All of those powers are evadable with enough defense - I've tanked her (as a Tank) many times without any outside source of extra mez protection and been fine. It's just a gamble, though.
It'd be possible to kill her without temps, you'd just be pretty deep in debt to Lady Luck at the end. 
The key re: Ghost Widow would be softcapped scrappers.
GW uses Dark Regeneration, the PBAoE self-heal which requires a to-hit check. (And she uses Life Drain, a single-target self-heal with a to-hit check.) If she can routinely hit even a couple people with DR, she is very difficult to dispose of.
But if she can't realiably hit anyone with DR (or Life Drain), she is defeated quite easily.
As for Soul Storm, without some outside buffs, any scrapper who gets hit by it is a goner. So again, an all-defense-based scrapper team would be ideal for this challenge.
I have no scrappers on Virtue however.
Now I remember something else about the fight - not everyone was softcapped by themselves (I think we had 2 Invulns, 3 SR and 3 DAs), so we had everyone who wasn't bring a tray full of purples. We ran out of purples before she went down, which doomed that attempt. (She wasn't even close, so retrying it would have been pointless.)
None of my scrappers are soft cap def. I don't have a pure def set scrapper. They can take hits. Just not soul storm. But I've seen soul storm miss me. That brings me back not wanting set requirements. It then becomes no different from those who pick and choose who they want on Master saturdays. That's what I was trying to avoid.
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Now I remember something else about the fight - not everyone was softcapped by themselves (I think we had 2 Invulns, 3 SR and 3 DAs), so we had everyone who wasn't bring a tray full of purples. We ran out of purples before she went down, which doomed that attempt. (She wasn't even close, so retrying it would have been pointless.)
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I don't think it's practical to expect the full team to be soft capped which is why I suggested range taunting. If she's focused on a ranged target she won't use dark regen, and at that point the rest of the team can sit behind her to avoid the cones and give her a good spanking.
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I just had a thought. How about we take this to the test server so everybody can join?
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I would consider it. Basically boils down to when.
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I would consider it. Basically boils down to when.
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Ditto.
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I'm all for no temps, no inspirations, even if it means we can't finish it. Isn't the glory in the attempt?
(Actually, I'm just lazy, and don't want to have to round up all the required temp powers. Inspirations would be fine since they rain from the sky.)
I currently have Assault and Maneuvers, and I could easily swap Focused Accuracy for Tactics (I was planning to anyway). I also spam the Achilles' Heel proc.
Yes, Soul Storm can be dodged. When I get lucky, I can survive her almost forever on my Dark Melee/Super Reflexes... but he's on Victory, and doesn't have a taunt anyway. Werner isn't soft-capped, and usually goes down against her fairly quickly.
Test server is fine too, and would let me bring Sergei (DM/SR) if he's a better choice than Werner (Katana/Regen). I think Werner would be a more team-friendly build, though, what with the Achilles' Heel procs.
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I'd be willing to give this a go. I do alot of STF's and have the masters badge on 3 toons so I know the drill. Plus 3 scrappers to shoose from.