A counter-proposal to merging the markets
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Posted on: 2009-06-18 07:35 in The Market and Inventions
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One thing that comes up in this forum fairly often is the disparity between red and blue side markets, and the idea of merging them into a single market to "fix" the villain supply problem. While this is a worthy goal, it's often shot down on the grounds that such a merge would be a more or less cataclysmic event, and people who have a lot of expensive things listed stand to lose, big time.
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Which TOTALLY didn't happen when MA was released.
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there's no valid argument against a merger that doesn't involve magic ponies or squishy nonsense like "It would ruin my RP fantasies!"
Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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It only gets my support if it takes extra inf out of the system.
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I'm all for an email system that allows us to send inf and items, but I remain in favor of a straightforward market merger. Just get it done and over with. Yes, there will be some shock and outrage redside as people have to relist items at lower price points. But that'll be drowned out by the cheering hordes.
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Personally, I think that the perfect solution lies in Cimerora.
Have a merchant set up shop near Julia Pria. He'll work with ANYONEm because he has no concept of modern "heroes" and "villains" - these are just the guys working for Imperius.
He functions just like WW or the Black market, with the following exceptions:
1> He uses a third database, separate from WW or the BM. Like those two, it crosses all servers.
2> He talks to heroes and villains, giving both access to the same database.
3> He charges twice the fee of the regular markets.
This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
@Roderick
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This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
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Other than competition being spread out over 3 markets instead of 2 and everyone under level 35 being blocked out you are right.
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This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
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Other than competition being spread out over 3 markets instead of 2 and everyone under level 35 being blocked out you are right.
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There's a totally simple fix to that. Once DJ Zero in Pocket D sees how well the guy in Cimerora is doing, he sets up his own 4th market, not linked to any of the other 3. He also only pays in his own new currency, ZeroClix.
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This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
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Other than competition being spread out over 3 markets instead of 2 and everyone under level 35 being blocked out you are right.
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This. I have been playing for 2 months and I have heard of this zone a couple times and didn't even realize it was cross-faction.
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This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
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Other than competition being spread out over 3 markets instead of 2 and everyone under level 35 being blocked out you are right.
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There's a totally simple fix to that. Once DJ Zero in Pocket D sees how well the guy in Cimerora is doing, he sets up his own 4th market, not linked to any of the other 3. He also only pays in his own new currency, ZeroClix.
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Great. Now I have to find you and kill you when they do this.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
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Other than competition being spread out over 3 markets instead of 2 and everyone under level 35 being blocked out you are right.
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There's a totally simple fix to that. Once DJ Zero in Pocket D sees how well the guy in Cimerora is doing, he sets up his own 4th market, not linked to any of the other 3. He also only pays in his own new currency, ZeroClix.
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Then the Rikti can open one in the War Zone, and they would have a 5th market, not linked to the other 4 - and they would have a new currency called "GuhR'eenbax" that you could only spend there.
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One thing that comes up in this forum fairly often is the disparity between red and blue side markets, and the idea of merging them into a single market to "fix" the villain supply problem. While this is a worthy goal, it's often shot down on the grounds that such a merge would be a more or less cataclysmic event, and people who have a lot of expensive things listed stand to lose, big time.
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Which TOTALLY didn't happen when MA was released.
Oh wait...
there's no valid argument against a merger that doesn't involve magic ponies or squishy nonsense like "It would ruin my RP fantasies!"
Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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One thing that comes up in this forum fairly often is the disparity between red and blue side markets, and the idea of merging them into a single market to "fix" the villain supply problem. While this is a worthy goal, it's often shot down on the grounds that such a merge would be a more or less cataclysmic event, and people who have a lot of expensive things listed stand to lose, big time.
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Which TOTALLY didn't happen when MA was released.
Oh wait...
there's no valid argument against a merger that doesn't involve magic ponies or squishy nonsense like "It would ruin my RP fantasies!"
Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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This gives a cross-faction market, keeps the RPers happy, and provides an extra Inf-sink, and one that people will FLOCK to. It's win-win-win!
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Other than competition being spread out over 3 markets instead of 2 and everyone under level 35 being blocked out you are right.
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There's a totally simple fix to that. Once DJ Zero in Pocket D sees how well the guy in Cimerora is doing, he sets up his own 4th market, not linked to any of the other 3. He also only pays in his own new currency, ZeroClix.
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Then the Rikti can open one in the War Zone, and they would have a 5th market, not linked to the other 4 - and they would have a new currency called "GuhR'eenbax" that you could only spend there.
T'uff Luh'k's Salvage:Recipe Purchase point
Owned and managed by the renegede Rikti T'uff Luh'k (and his partner Nah-T'Nuff), this ruthless negotiator will deal with anyone from any faction.
[/ QUOTE ]I like this idead the best, it just needs lower level access. 
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Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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One thing that comes up in this forum fairly often is the disparity between red and blue side markets, and the idea of merging them into a single market to "fix" the villain supply problem. While this is a worthy goal, it's often shot down on the grounds that such a merge would be a more or less cataclysmic event, and people who have a lot of expensive things listed stand to lose, big time.
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Which TOTALLY didn't happen when MA was released.
Oh wait...
there's no valid argument against a merger that doesn't involve magic ponies or squishy nonsense like "It would ruin my RP fantasies!"
Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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Nethergoat and EvilRyu... in agreement... about something market-related.
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Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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Nethergoat and EvilRyu... in agreement... about something market-related.
I want to print this out, frame it, and hang it on the wall.
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I was going to but I hadn't moved the printer to my bomb shelter.
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Baseless speculation here, but it is possible that the Going Rogue expansion will address this very issue.
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One thing that comes up in this forum fairly often is the disparity between red and blue side markets, and the idea of merging them into a single market to "fix" the villain supply problem. While this is a worthy goal, it's often shot down on the grounds that such a merge would be a more or less cataclysmic event, and people who have a lot of expensive things listed stand to lose, big time.
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Which TOTALLY didn't happen when MA was released.
Oh wait...
there's no valid argument against a merger that doesn't involve magic ponies or squishy nonsense like "It would ruin my RP fantasies!"
Anything less than full and equal access to the same market for both factions is a pointless half-measure that won't get my support.
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Thus, I would like to propose a free market solution to the problem, one that is both simple and elegant. All we really need is some method for moving items (recipes, salvage, possibly inf but not strictly necessary) across faction lines. This could be the form of a third, neutral market, some form of in-game mail that works by account, or even side switching with Going Rogue if it's not too painful to go back and forth.
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I love this, but after a little while it would make the people that don't like using the markets go completely bug[censored]
It would also likely really tick off the people that make their inf from in place flipping.
I'll add my voice to those that say that if the markets were ever going to be merged, MA was the time to do it. There was so much craziness with the markets that people probably wouldn't have noticed until after the dust settled and then found that something they were looking to get had an identical sales history both blue- and red-side. It was a lost opportunity and I wonder if there will ever be another one as golden as with the MA.
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It would also likely really tick off the people that make their inf from in place flipping.
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I don't know about that. You *could* buy from WW and then go to the Cimeroran and turn a nice profit. It would all depend on price disparities on either side and it would require a little more travel time between markets, but I think profits would still abound. Anywhere there's a market, money can be made by those with a little effort and know-how.
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I'll add my voice to those that say that if the markets were ever going to be merged, MA was the time to do it. There was so much craziness with the markets that people probably wouldn't have noticed until after the dust settled and then found that something they were looking to get had an identical sales history both blue- and red-side. It was a lost opportunity and I wonder if there will ever be another one as golden as with the MA.
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You are right. In a game world limited only by the nigh infinite possibilities of it's creators imaginations they could never create events of such magnitude again.
As for the Cimerora proposal, I think it would only be hampered by the slightly more involved travel need of getting to ONLY Cimerora. Unless the WW/BM interface was somehow hooked up to it... 
just merge the [censored] things already. no counter proposals will be heard, no half measures will be accepted. stuff your stupid rp fantasies and give a fair and equitable supply line to both halves of the game. if you're any kind of decent roleplayer anyway, you can use your imagination for a justification. and if it's just about the money you stand to lose, well go blow. if you're any good at marketeering you'll recoup your losses sooner or later. or you wont, I don't care.
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It would also likely really tick off the people that make their inf from in place flipping.
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I don't know about that. You *could* buy from WW and then go to the Cimeroran and turn a nice profit. It would all depend on price disparities on either side and it would require a little more travel time between markets, but I think profits would still abound. Anywhere there's a market, money can be made by those with a little effort and know-how.
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In WoW I "flipped" vendor junk for big profits on the AH. Buy stuff for a couple of silver, jog to the AH and sell it for a couple gold.
A marketplace will always be rife with opportunity for crafty players. The only way to "protect the little guy" and cheese off those mean, nasty eeebil manipulators is to shut them down entirely and only have stores.
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You are right. In a game world limited only by the nigh infinite possibilities of it's creators imaginations they could never create events of such magnitude again.
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I won't deny that another 'perfect storm' couldn't be concocted, but the one surrounding MA was almost too perfect with the way everything happened. Tickets were raining from the sky like manna from heaven, recipes were being generated at a break-neck pace, and market prices fell through the floor, almost destroying the world.
I just don't see the devs creating such an ideal circumstance again. Then again, you never know. They always have a way of surprising us, whether for good or for ill.
One thing that comes up in this forum fairly often is the disparity between red and blue side markets, and the idea of merging them into a single market to "fix" the villain supply problem. While this is a worthy goal, it's often shot down on the grounds that such a merge would be a more or less cataclysmic event, and people who have a lot of expensive things listed stand to lose, big time.
Thus, I would like to propose a free market solution to the problem, one that is both simple and elegant. All we really need is some method for moving items (recipes, salvage, possibly inf but not strictly necessary) across faction lines. This could be the form of a third, neutral market, some form of in-game mail that works by account, or even side switching with Going Rogue if it's not too painful to go back and forth.
The reason this would work is that opening an channel between factions creates a lot of opportunities for market arbitrage. If recipe A is cheap blue side and expensive red side, it becomes profitable to move them from the hero to villain markets. So-called Ebil marketeers are sure to take advantage of this. Over time, the market that is over-supplied will begin to dry up, resulting in rising prices. The formerly supply-starved market will have more seller competition and undercutting, leading to falling prices.
While there would still be some disparity between the two markets, the most egregious cases would eventually balance out. It would be a slow process, meaning that people wouldn't instantly get burned by a merge -- they have time to adjust and adapt. A neutral third party handling the exchanges is also a lot less lore-breaking than the idea of WW and the BM cooperating.
Thoughts?