Can we get a in-game toon builder?
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Posted on: 2009-06-17 04:45 in Suggestions and Ideas
Think mids... cept made by the devs and also ingame...
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Think mids... cept made by the devs and also ingame...
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Why not use Mid's, then? It's up to date aside from what's happening on Test.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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actually mid's is missing the PvP io's. and thats about it. there is also another thread about this already so here comes the: search is your friend. it will not bite i promise. and if you don't want to use the search then take the time to go through a page or 2 to avoid postinbg something that has already been posted.
if you would like the dev's to put all new content on the back shelves for this to happen don't hold your breath. i would rather see new content then them to take what would be months of building and testing and changing and testing and changing and testing and changing and testing a build designer that already exsists.
I don't think it'd takes months of testing. They could really let you do it fairly easily by mixing and matching pre-existing features. They could let you plan the build respec style, let you turn on and off your powers (or assume they're always on) via a power tray, let you get the enhancements you need vendor style, and let you view your stats through Real Numbers. In theory, all they'd need is an interface, a way to save the build, and a way to look it up in-game.
Of course, practice would be a bit more complicated than theory, but technically all the tools are already there, it's just the matter of combining them.
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I don't think it'd takes months of testing. They could really let you do it fairly easily by mixing and matching pre-existing features. They could let you plan the build respec style, let you turn on and off your powers (or assume they're always on) via a power tray, let you get the enhancements you need vendor style, and let you view your stats through Real Numbers. In theory, all they'd need is an interface, a way to save the build, and a way to look it up in-game.
Of course, practice would be a bit more complicated than theory, but technically all the tools are already there, it's just the matter of combining them.
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And that's where the months of coding and testing come in. What? You think they just start cutting and pasting modules together like Binary LEGOs?
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Something that we dont have to wait months to get updated
[/ QUOTE ]You're welcome to write your own character planner.
You can't? Well, then, you could vote with your money and stop buying Mids'.
You mean it's free? Well, I guess you could always resort to complaining about the update status of a program made in people's free time at no charge to you. 
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And that's where the months of coding and testing come in. What? You think they just start cutting and pasting modules together like Binary LEGOs?
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No, of course not. Just sloppily throwing around code could result in an in-game player, it obviously would be pretty terrible if just Legoed together. However, they already do have the existing code to work from to copy what can be copied, modify what would need to be modified, and write in new code where needed. People write these kinds of things as little programs from scratch in a reasonable time frame all the time. In their spare time. By themselves. I doubt Mid and SuckerPunch were working on their planners 8 hours a day every weekday (assuming the standard work day at NCSoft is 8 hours). If the devs decided to do a planner, they'd take a few guys, sit them down, and tell them to make one and, unless they added a bunch of fancy features like letting you test drive your planned character in the MA or something like that, I'm certain they could hash out a planner quite quickly and it could be ran through the Test server for bug hunting and player input.
So if time isn't the issue, why haven't they done it? It could be opportunity cost. If I remember, one of the Devs, Positron or Castle I think, mentioned that their whole focus was recently on the MA. That's likely true for GR, enough that, according to Castle, if the Dominator changes weren't done now, they wouldn't be until I17 or later. And considering signs are pointing to GR being I16, that's very easily to believe. They may also choose not to create one because it may give the impression the game is about min/maxing, when it's not. Or perhaps they feel it would be underutilized? Or maybe they think Mid's is enough (though it's not when you're, like me, a Mac user without a way to run Windows). Unless a developer comes in and says why, we won't know. However, I doubt time on its own and, in particular, a major exclusion of other content would be the driving factors behind not doing one.
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Something that we dont have to wait months to get updated
[/ QUOTE ]You're welcome to write your own character planner.
You can't? Well, then, you could vote with your money and stop buying Mids'.
You mean it's free? Well, I guess you could always resort to complaining about the update status of a program made in people's free time at no charge to you.
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Actually the main reason why I made this post is becuase Mids has dropped the project and has gone perma-afk. I rather like the program myself. It has been almost 3.5 issues (i think real numbers was 11.5 update) that the real numbers were introduced to the game. You would think that the next logical step would be to add some kinda in and out of game support for this.
Im assuming your here to just troll because of the nature of your post so unless your going to say somethign productive next time think a minute before posting your doooom reply
It already exists in the game. It is the game.
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um, just so you know, there is someone who picked it up. his name is steiner. and just so you know, go down 2 threads from this one and you will see the other thread about the same thing. it is not the responsibility of the dev's to do anything for us other then create new content and fix bugs. as for real numbers in game: they came out in i12. as for the last mids update: was i13 right after the changes to PvP but the numbers have to be fixed. the only thing that is missing from mids is the PvP io's. and from what we understand, it is trying to get the dual bonuses to work correctly that is taking time.
sit back, get your panties out of the bunch they are in and enjoy what we have. write down the bonuses from the PvP io's and use sets that are similar in effect to those when you do your build or just leave the powers the PvP io's are going into blank and make sure you aren't using anymore then 5 of each bonus. it really isn't that hard.
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Actually the main reason why I made this post is becuase Mids has dropped the project and has gone perma-afk. I rather like the program myself. It has been almost 3.5 issues (i think real numbers was 11.5 update) that the real numbers were introduced to the game. You would think that the next logical step would be to add some kinda in and out of game support for this.
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Patience, grasshopper. Patience.
Related Titan Network post with a few tidbits.
http://cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,2343.0.html
Paragon Wiki: http://www.paragonwiki.com
City Info Terminal: http://cit.cohtitan.com
Mids Hero Designer: http://www.cohplanner.com
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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awe aggle. now he has to go down the list further to find the same exact thread. oh well. 
Thats a great idea! That way if u dnt like the powers u chose u change them!
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Thats a great idea! That way if u dnt like the powers u chose u change them!
[/ QUOTE ]I don't think we're reading the same thread as MrA.
Paragon Wiki: http://www.paragonwiki.com
City Info Terminal: http://cit.cohtitan.com
Mids Hero Designer: http://www.cohplanner.com
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Something that we dont have to wait months to get updated
[/ QUOTE ]You're welcome to write your own character planner.
You can't? Well, then, you could vote with your money and stop buying Mids'.
You mean it's free? Well, I guess you could always resort to complaining about the update status of a program made in people's free time at no charge to you.
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using mids is like a driving a car with no engine..its incomplete and basically useless
we might have had something like it ..but as usual the vault is no longer gonna happen like so many other things
Im sorry maybe Im hopething that the devs will ever get clues about QoL features from other MMOs that have found good things like this.
Just a fyi.. creating content has no relation to building QoL features
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Im sorry maybe Im hopething that the devs will ever get clues about QoL features from other MMOs that have found good things like this.
Just a fyi.. creating content has no relation to building QoL features
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The Devs have been consistently creating new QoL features. Just because they haven't worked on a QoL feature that you'd like doesn't mean they haven't been putting in QoL features.
Creating content and QoL features can involve overlapping staff. For something like what you want, CAstle would probably need to be involved. An in-game character builder would need to take some time from the powers guy, to make sure that all of the powers were being listed properly. That would mean time away from something like fixing Dominators, which is also Castle's department.
Creating the in-game character builder would take art. This would take away from getting a new zone, or from getting icons to be the proper symbol, or from creating new buildings for new features.
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That would all be very minimal unless they were doing this all from scratch. Really all they would need to do is build a front end to access all the info needed.
There should be no need for Castle to be involed in creating a builder unless he were to test it. He shouldnt have to adjust a database of powers for a front end... unless of course they are building it form scratch. All the information is there and available. The only thing would be to put a front end to it and interpret it. Graphics? maybe some new buttons... but it would all be very minimal. The majority of the word would be coding... not stuff from guys like BABS and Castle or the art department.
I never did say they were not creating new features tho I half asleep so I guess i can understand how you read it that way.
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This would be a neat feature but it doesn't really seem needed.
actually monkeynutz, i quoted fleeting's post from the other thread that is the same exact one as this one. if the op had bothered to read anything in this section he would of found it seeing as it was on the front page. not to mention neither of the op's of this idea have an inclinking of programming knowledge and just think that all the dev's have to do is push a button and whammo we have this. it isn't the case, we already have a perfectly fine app for this type of thing with the exception that it is missing PvP io's.
if people want to bash someone for taking their private time to give us something to use then they themselves deserve alot more crap flung at them then what we who are trying to get them to realize this are throwing at them. it takes time to update something that you are not familiar with and i applaud Stiener for taking over for Mid's and hope he can get the updates out as quick as he can.
There's always the chance this OP read the first post and went "A costume maker would be nifty but what about a planner!"
lisar, OPTICAL_ILLUSION has a thread about the same exact thing. there was no need for this op to start this thread.
Are we ever going to get a ingame toon builder? Something that we dont have to wait months to get updated that would be linked to the games files so when something is changed that tha builder would auto update and all. Also a stand alone builder would be nice too. Its def way past due IMO.