Sure, why not. This should really go in Jay's Costume Request Thread though. Jay won't see your idea unless it's in there, and Jay is the one you want to see your idea.
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Sure, why not. This should really go in Jay's Costume Request Thread though. Jay won't see your idea unless it's in there, and Jay is the one you want to see your idea.
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Well, Jay or his little minion.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
Where is this thread?
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Oh, and the proper terminology is: Asian
Oriental = bad (though I have no real idea why)
good luck on the suggestions; couldn't possibly agree more
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Isn't "Asian" kind of vague and all-inclusive? I mean, technically, Asia houses cultures as far apart as Japan and Iraq, or India and Russia. When I see "oriental," that sort of old corny movie and ye olde anime are pretty much what I think of.
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Isn't "Asian" kind of vague and all-inclusive? I mean, technically, Asia houses cultures as far apart as Japan and Iraq, or India and Russia. When I see "oriental," that sort of old corny movie and ye olde anime are pretty much what I think of.
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The Orient comes from way back, when the Middle East was considered the Orient. It's a term that comes from the word East. Basically, it's more inclusive than the term Asian, as most people today, when they hear the word Asian, tend to associate that with people from China and Japan south. And while technically Asian does include countries like Pakistan, Russia, and Turkey, most people today don't associate those countries with the term Asian, even if it is correct.
I'm still not quite sure why the term Oriental is seen as offensive, I just know that it can be seen as such, especially when the term Asian is not. It is, however, an older word and tends to be highly racially skewed. I tend to view it along the same lines as calling an African American a Negro. It's an old, imprecise, and offensive word.
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Anyway, that usage of "Oriental" has survived a long time, and it still frequently carries all of the exotic/foreign/inscrutable/mysterious connotations. These connotations happen to coincide with many of the stereotypes held of Asian Americans. Furthermore, by definition, the word "Oriental" is Eurocentric, referring to things east of Europe. For these reasons, some Asian American activist types decided that "Oriental" was a Bad Word, and that "Asian" was more accurate, less Eurocentric, and less loaded with strange connotations. No big deal, right?
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Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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A couple of things I'd like to see.
Wooden and Bamboo swords...
Samuria Pants (Hakama)
High collars (options on this could be Mandarin collars for an oriental flavor, but also be used to give the player a preistly look)
Long Braids for both males and females would help a lot too.
Oriental dragon chest options and oriental dragon patterns for outfits, especially the martial arts outfits...
Just a few Chinese words Like Love, Freedom, Strenght, etc. as either chest emblems or patterns.
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I am all for this, and I'd like to include a geisha-wig type hairstyle, we need that like, YESTERDAY, and some Japanese scripts as chest emblems as well.
However the last time we had this suggested, some doofus who shall remain nameless came in and said: "NO WAI! If they're going to make Asian symbols then I DEMAND Arabic symbols too! In fact the devs should prove they're not Islamophobes and make the Arabic stuff FIRST!"
Respondant 1: "....But we have a literal ton of Asian people running around in the game now. This is a popular character subset; shouldn't we use the dev's time in a manner benefitting the largest # of people?"
respondant 2: "WHat about Hebrew characters?!! My toon is a seraphim and I want Hebrew letters to put on his chest!"
respondant 3: "Stop catering to these Asians!"
respondant 4: "I"m all for more Asian-type stuff, bring it. Can we have those pants the Tsoo wear, too?
respondant 5: "LOL @ Arabic and Hebrew stuff, you guys get a life."
respondant 2: "RACISTS!!!! I HAVE REPORTED YOU, YOU RACISTS!!! ITS LIKE HIMMLER ROSE FROM THE DEAD, HEARING YOU RACISTS TALK!!!!11!!!! *PETITION!!!*"
.... and on it went, with many absolutely refusing to admit that our largest racial[?] subset in the game is indeed Asian characters, and this would be the wisest use of the dev's time. Especially in a game with a Martial Arts power set, I mean c'mon this should be a no-brainer. 
In fact I would ADORE to see a Japanese/Chinese/other Asian costume pack full of all sorts of goodies so themed. DOOOOO EEEEEEEET
We do have Hakama in game, but for men, they suck, for women they're too short, and we don't have a martial arts robe option that doesn't have the extra-fabric below the waistline for a "tucked in" look.
And while I do agree that Persian/Ottoman/Middle Eastern costumes would be nice (interestingly, my Japanese character would wear these because he's supposed to have traveled to an alternate universe like Ancient Persia), we can't say we have "too many East Asian themed" costume pieces already (because they're not that good), and you know what? THERE'S NEVER A SUCH THING A "TOO MANY COSTUME PIECES!" OF ANY TYPE OR THEME! WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A BLASPHEMER!
Also, I think we could finally get Haori for the robes if you combined it with the same effect from a Jacket Baron w/ vest where the rube beneath is part of the whole. Also, flared sleeves for robes like on the magic borelo and what Borea and Levantera have.
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City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Just a minor slightly off topic quibble. African American is the more imprecise of those 2 terms,imo. Yes, Negro is the more offensive, but that's neither here nor there.
You have to go so far back in the family tree with most American descendants of slaves to get to an African connection that it's almost no connection at all, outside of skin tone and facial features. And even then, we're just as much a mixed bag of ethnicities as any other modern day American who can trace their family back a long ways. Save African American for the voluntary immigrants...me, I'm from New Jersey 
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I'm still not quite sure why the term Oriental is seen as offensive, I just know that it can be seen as such, especially when the term Asian is not. It is, however, an older word and tends to be highly racially skewed. I tend to view it along the same lines as calling an African American a Negro. It's an old, imprecise, and offensive word.
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Offensive? But it doesn't even apply to the modern-day far east OR middle east, at least not in general. In my mind's eye, at least, "oriental" has very much the same connotation as "medieval" or "Indian" (as in, American Indians, not Asian Indians) - it's a descriptor for a visual theme that, for the most part, doesn't really exist any more.
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As a descriptor of a visual theme, that's fine. If you want to call a plate oriental there's no issue, but if you look at a person and say "You look oriental." expect them to be offended.
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American Heritage Book of English Usage notes that:
It is worth remembering, though, that Oriental is not an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. It is most objectionable in contemporary contexts and when used as a noun, as in the appointment of an Oriental to head the commission. In these cases Asian (or a more specific term such as Vietnamese, Korean, or Asian American, if appropriate) is the only acceptable term. But in certain historical contexts, or when its exotic connotations are integral to the topic, Oriental remains a useful term.[
It's a shame Oriental has fallen so out of favor. It sounds so pretty and exotic. 
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Basically, it's more inclusive than the term Asian, as most people today, when they hear the word Asian, tend to associate that with people from China and Japan south. And while technically Asian does include countries like Pakistan, Russia, and Turkey, most people today don't associate those countries with the term Asian, even if it is correct.
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Just a quick clarification, thats the usage in America, it differs in other places. For example in Britain, Asian is used for people originating from South Asia, not for people from China/Japan.
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It's a shame Oriental has fallen so out of favor. It sounds so pretty and exotic.
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Yeah, and I wouldnt mind it if i was refered to as occidental rather than white...i would also accept the term european american.
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yes to more developed costume themes...i would also LOVE if Jay made some more suits of armor that better reflect what you imagine knights wore...#1, #2, & #3
I'm all for more costume options, as long as we don't have to pay for them. More ethnic stuff in general would be nice. I'd especially like a turban for one of my heroes.
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It's a shame Oriental has fallen so out of favor. It sounds so pretty and exotic.
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Yeah, and I wouldnt mind it if i was refered to as occidental rather than white...i would also accept the term european american.
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I perfer "pimentationally challenged"
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our largest racial[?] subset in the game is indeed Asian characters
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Not talkin' 'bout NPCs, Willis, I was referring to player-created characters. Among characters created by players, I see far more Asian folks than any other non-white subset.
I think this is great and have no problem with it; I have two Asian characters myself. Just sayin' about that developer-time-spent equation, and all.
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Just a minor slightly off topic quibble. African American is the more imprecise of those 2 terms,imo. Yes, Negro is the more offensive, but that's neither here nor there.
You have to go so far back in the family tree with most American descendants of slaves to get to an African connection that it's almost no connection at all, outside of skin tone and facial features. And even then, we're just as much a mixed bag of ethnicities as any other modern day American who can trace their family back a long ways. Save African American for the voluntary immigrants...me, I'm from New Jersey
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The classification of Negro might be accurate but the historical implications of the word caused it to drift out of use...the same goes for Oriental. The term Negro does bring to mind, a time in US history that is, to put it extremely mildly, very unpleasant and in our not too distance past. Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, to put it in perspective, I was born 6 years later in 1970.
What the OP is really suggesting is Historical/Traditional Chinese and Japanese costumes. Personally I'd prefer less Chinese and Japanese traditional dress...it would be nice to see more traditional Native American options.
On a personal note if you must label me by my race, I'll take African American or Black, thanks. Although my name works just as well...better in fact.
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Personally I'd prefer... to see more traditional Native American options.
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Ditto. And I have often requested this in Jay's Costume Request Thread, where this suggestion belongs and has been added since the before this thread existed and since.
For whatever it's worth, my understanding on it was that objects are "Oriental", people are "Asian" (or Japanese, Korean, whatever). So "Oriental rug", "Oriental vase" or "Oriental weapons" is okay but "Some Oriental guy asked me where the train station is" is not.
Take it or leave it.
A couple of things I'd like to see.
Wooden and Bamboo swords...
Samuria Pants (Hakama)
High collars (options on this could be Mandarin collars for an oriental flavor, but also be used to give the player a preistly look)
Long Braids for both males and females would help a lot too.
Oriental dragon chest options and oriental dragon patterns for outfits, especially the martial arts outfits...
Just a few Chinese words Like Love, Freedom, Strenght, etc. as either chest emblems or patterns.
Japanese Raising Sun Patterns