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I've stated in the past, but I'm fairly certain that I wouldn't last long subscribed to any service you were providing, given your mentality.
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Sounds like you're right. MMO's aren't for you.
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Insult my ethnic heritage, for example. 
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Pics or it didn't happen!!
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Can't confirm or deny that statement.
This game used to be handled differently. They set the precident for the level of customer service I expect.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
On the topic of trust...I don't think anyone is saying that the developers should 100% trust the playerbase. Yes, there are players who can and will abuse the game and that is a valid enough reason not to trust all players.
But, there should be adequate communication between the developers and the players so their customers trust them. And that can be accomplished with reopening the lines of communications so the developers can interact with the playerbase like they used to and can listen to the players' feedback again.
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On the topic of trust...I don't think anyone is saying that the developers should 100% trust the playerbase. Yes, there are players who can and will abuse the game and that is a valid enough reason not to trust all players.
But, there should be adequate communication between the developers and the players so their customers trust them. And that can be accomplished with reopening the lines of communications so the developers can interact with the playerbase like they used to and can listen to the players' feedback again.
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You know I've never fired up a game and thought 'I hope I can trust these developers'
BUT you do have a valid point in general. The dev's should communicate with the players and listen to their feedback. However I'm not saying they should agree with them or do what they want in any way. Especially under duress as has been the case lately such as 'Listen to me or I'll quit'.
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Does that mean I have to service Signal now? Ewwww...
Ed: Can he cook?
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MrDead,
What do you think that we, as players, should do if we disagree with the service or treatment we have been getting from a game we play a monthly subscription for?
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad
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Does that mean I have to service Signal now? Ewwww...
Ed: Can he cook?
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Everyone has to service me eventually. It's just the way of things.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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That is not the point, at all. There is a right way and a wrong way to argue a point, and bringing in personal attacks is the wrong way. Asking for an apology while summarily bringing up personal things completely unrelated to the situation is disingenuous at best, and hypocritical at worst.
For what it's worth, I too would like to see a public statement of apology. I just don't think insulting the person you're asking it of is the right way to go about it. Call me crazy, but if someone where to say to me "You owe me an apology, you fat person with a stupid haircut" (to use both of your examples), I'd feel rather disinclined to offer one, whether I was in the wrong or not.
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I don't want an apology, I just want to be treated like an adult. <snip>
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And you don't see the irony here? You're asking to be treated like an adult while hurling personal attacks and insults?
Now Liv, I've always liked you, and hopefully you know that, which is why I said anything in the first place. I really do think you're better than stooping to that kind of language and tactic.
And I'm not disagreeing with the core of what it is you want, I just think there are better ways to go about it.
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He made one insult.
Drop it and get over it.
Edit: Let me just add this bit in. Arwen, by mentioning, repeatedly, what Liv did that got your feathers ruffled, you are becoming, in essence, Ignicity et al, in that you won't let it go, and are running the risk of making the people who agree with you NOT agree with you on basic principle.
I agree with the principle of the whole argument of what was done was poorly done, but because of the constant goings on, I simply stop caring at all about their point.
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Repeatedly? I made my original post and two follow ups when people didn't seem to get it so I could further explain my position. Sooo...whatever. Like the rest of you, if it wasn't important to me, I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Also, I don't get why any of this matters to you Judas. You have admitted that you haven't played in a year and aren't likely to start again, so why do you care what happens with this game?
@Arwen Darkblade
Proud Member of Hammer of the Gods and Sanguine Syndicate
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Vote with your feet. Vote with your wallet. Call CS. Write the dev's mail. But yelling and ultimatums and threats, well, they just have the opposite effect and make people like me talk on the forums. You don't want that now do you?
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That logic is undeniable.
I feel ... so used!! ....
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1)Vote with your feet.
2)Vote with your wallet.
3)Call CS.
4)Write the dev's mail.
But yelling and ultimatums and threats, well, they just have the opposite effect and make people like me talk on the forums. You don't want that now do you?
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I have done all of the above except for #3. I'm not sure who I would call and what that would accomplish beyond what I've done. I'm not petitioning to have something on my account changed. I'm petitioning for a change to the way I and others are being treated.
But I also want to post about it. It helps me to vent. Someone might convince me I'm wrong. Others might show support and state they feel the same. It was very frustrating during the first few days not being able to do that.
I don't think that I am yelling and making threats, but I am still upset about it (admittedly less as time goes on). But maybe it seems that way . . .
I dunno . . . It's hard to judge how you are coming across to a digital audience.
Thanks for your response.
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad
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What do you think that we, as players, should do if we disagree with the service or treatment we have been getting from a game we play a monthly subscription for?
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Vote with your feet. Vote with your wallet. Call CS. Write the dev's mail. But yelling and ultimatums and threats, well, they just have the opposite effect and make people like me talk on the forums. You don't want that now do you?
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Nobody's saying "if you do this, then we'll leave."
What's being said is "They did that, so I'm leaving." Look around.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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*looks*
*covers her eyes*
geez, y'all get a room
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MrDead,
What do you think that we, as players, should do if we disagree with the service or treatment we have been getting from a game we play a monthly subscription for?
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Vote with your feet. Vote with your wallet. Call CS. Write the dev's mail. But yelling and ultimatums and threats, well, they just have the opposite effect and make people like me talk on the forums. You don't want that
now do you?
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Some of us are voting with feet and wallet, but this is a community we value and discussion of events among your peers is normal and healthy. You aren't posting here as an affect of our actions, you're posting here because you want to or feel you need to. Why, I'm not sure. That's your deal.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
I dunno . . . It's hard to judge how you are coming across to a digital audience.
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No Flea I wasn't specifically saying you are yelling etc, you asked what 'We' should do. You seem pretty reasonable, on the other hand I've only read a few of your posts, so I could be wrong. 
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Why, I'm not sure. That's your deal.
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Mebbe his server is boring now, and he just needs some attention n stuff.
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MrDead,
What do you think that we, as players, should do if we disagree with the service or treatment we have been getting from a game we play a monthly subscription for?
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Vote with your feet. Vote with your wallet. Call CS. Write the dev's mail. But yelling and ultimatums and threats, well, they just have the opposite effect and make people like me talk on the forums. You don't want that
now do you?
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Some of us are voting with feet and wallet, but this is a community we value and discussion of events among your peers is normal and healthy. You aren't posting here as an affect of our actions, you're posting here because you want to or feel you need to. Why, I'm not sure. That's your deal.
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For every action there... eh nm. I actually am posting as a direct result, but whatever.
Ed: Somebody get the kids with the argument over the word 'direct' in here while we're at it.
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I have done all of the above except for #3. I'm not sure who I would call and what that would accomplish beyond what I've done.
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There is no one to call... not really. You'll get a front line tech or something, even if you can find the number, but there's no one to call.
That's the nice thing about running MMOs, there's no accountability.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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Repeatedly? I made my original post and two follow ups when people didn't seem to get it so I could further explain my position. Sooo...whatever. Like the rest of you, if it wasn't important to me, I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Also, I don't get why any of this matters to you Judas. You have admitted that you haven't played in a year and aren't likely to start again, so why do you care what happens with this game?
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What makes you think I didn't get it, Arwen? Do you think I'm stupid?
I know precisely what you're saying.
What do you want, Arwen? Do you want an apology? I addressed your concerns specifically on the first page, and now here we are 250 posts later and you're still on about it.
I respect your right to be offended at something I said. I do not, however, respect the idea that you have the right to not be offended.
You're my dear friend, Arwen, and you're entitled to post whatever you like on these forums, but don't think for a second that because i don't reply or because I don't address something you posted that somehow that means I don't get it.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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Does that mean I have to service Signal now? Ewwww...
Ed: Can he cook?
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Everyone has to service me eventually. It's just the way of things.
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I see that old Maytag dude coming up to your door with a big ol' grin .....
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Does that mean I have to service Signal now? Ewwww...
Ed: Can he cook?
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I see that old Maytag dude coming up to your door with a big ol' grin .....
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Knew I should have gotten those Halloween pictures taken off the interweb..
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Hall of Fame for Sassy!
I just splashed soda all over my screen, through my nose!
AND I wasn't even drinking one.
Nor was there a soda in the room!
(I don't know how I'm going to get that picture out of my head now...)
(OH!!! I know!!! I'll commit it to memory! )
In everyone's own world they are the majority.
That is all I have to say on this subject.
BigRedOne - I do all my own stunts!!!
Honor Guard of the Big Red Ball
To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost.
- Gustave Flaubert