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On the other hand, I have trouble believing that people using level pacts and the MA in order to PL didn't know that they were using the systems for other than their intended purpose.
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People keep assuming that all level-pacted toons affected used the MA system......
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People keep assuming that all level-pacted toons affected used the MA system......
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More like, "people keep assuming that all punishments were just and that the management team(s) always act wisely and consider all issues affecting and affected by their actions."
I'm kind of to the point that I'm over it (read: "bored with it"), but that blind/naive/intentionally contrary attitutde still bothers me.
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maybe it's b/c I'm 25 
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maybe it's b/c I'm 25
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I think smoke's thinking of "Earth Girls," of which, high school girls are merely a subset.
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Mmm... girls.
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Sorry, my wording was a little unclear. I meant that putting a character into a level pact, and then not playing it again until it's level 50 was an unintended use. The purpose of level pacts was to better support friends who want to play together, even if they don't always play at the same time.
I'm not saying that using it like that should be punished, but it should be obvious that's not why it was implemented.
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Sorry, my wording was a little unclear. I meant that putting a character into a level pact, and then not playing it again until it's level 50 was an unintended use. The purpose of level pacts was to better support friends who want to play together, even if they don't always play at the same time.
I'm not saying that using it like that should be punished, but it should be obvious that's not why it was implemented.
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Just because someone did something that wasn't intended doesn't make it an exploit or illegal. As you stated, they shouldn't be punished, but they are being punished. I don't think an all boss farm is an exploit. I don't think an all LT farm is an exploit. I don't think adding 30+ ambushes in a mission to fight more mobs is an exploit. But these are all things people call "farming" and I disagree with them.
This is the same as if in any game. If you are playing a PnP game, and a player does something unexpected, you don't take their character sheet and say "You exploited!" and rip it up. That's essentially how I feel the Dev's have been handling this.
Well said.
Very.
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Hi, I never really come here but I was curious what Ig made you do.
I read through a lot of this. Well thats a lie but you won't know that. I gather there are a lot of people bothered by the bannings. I don't really know where I stand on this one to be honest. It's too bad people lost their 50s. Be mad if it happened to me, and it does seem that it was handled badly.
I personally was annoyed during the whole Meow thing. Not that I didn't run a couple for some extra tickets, but simply because that was all I heard. Was it an exploit? More then likely, but there are so many in game that are Dev Created that it doesn't really matter. I think it is likely that what happened is the Devs simply got mad that their new shiney that was going to, and might still revolutionize mmos was used to create instant 50s. Then they over reacted. Badly.
Hmmm. I guess I know where I stand now. Devs created the system without checking for all the holes, let it go on for far too long, and then used a Sledge Hammer instead of a stitch to fix the problem.
With the coming competition it seems poorly thought out. I can think of three that I want to try out, and no DC isn't one of them.
I am sure you all had a similar conversation back during the ED nerf, wasn't here so I am not sure. Sounds like lots of people left then, people will leave now. It's too bad, fun game with a nice community.
Will I leave? Probably not over this. If they don't start fixing the problems we have now instead of creating new content with even more things to annoy me I might. Maybe I will be here till the day it closes, not really sure.
I guess that is it then. For any who are leaving, I'm sorry to see you go. I understand now why you are but choose not to do so myself. Good luck in the future, I hope the next game treats you as well as the high point of CoH did.
For those of you staying this is the perfect time to save a young actress a group of hideous creatures out to ruin her career. Arc # 11529 Behind The Painted Smile. It's fun, story driven, and loaded with baddies (but not in a exploitive way Figured I should put that last part in. Actually kind of sad that I felt I should. Maybe I should think about this some more.)
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Enjoy your day please.
Theres more to it than just that..
The devs were warned in beta about the loopholes but decided to ignore the warnings and rush the issue to live. My guess is so that could show it off to returning players for the free weekend.
Then, because of the free weekend for returning players they had a patch-blackout period in which they were not permitted to patch fixes. After this period was over, then came the nerfs. Then the devs decided to blame the players for exploiting a system that clearly the development team were forewarned about. Then came the temp ban's and the character deletions, part of a script that just so happened to include level-pacted characters not necessarily involved in the MA exploiting. Then came....
Wait..
Were still waiting for an apology from the devs about this issue.
Iggy, aren't you being too demanding? After all 15 days is hardly sufficient time for a crack staff to formulate a whitewash statement.
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15 days is ample time to formulate an apology. When I am required to apologize to any part of my customer base it certainly didn't take 15 days to do so. Why? The customers would simply walk out the door, never come back and then tell all their freinds, relatives and assosiates about the shoddy treatment they received.
I mean it wouldn't take 15 days to do so. Because I have never had to do that. Yes, that sounds better
Wonder if they will believe that.
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Iggy, aren't you being too demanding? After all 15 days is hardly sufficient time for a crack staff to formulate a whitewash statement.
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15 days is ample time to formulate an apology. When I am required to apologize to any part of my customer base it certainly didn't take 15 days to do so. Why? The customers would simply walk out the door, never come back and then tell all their freinds, relatives and assosiates about the shoddy treatment they received.
I mean it wouldn't take 15 days to do so. Because I have never had to do that. Yes, that sounds better
Wonder if they will believe that.
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You don't "get" jokes, do you?
Joke? Does this have something to do with smakes?
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You all are aweful it's not enough there are 9 pages in one thread you have to take it into 2 more threads
*runs off emo and crying*
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You all are aweful it's not enough there are 9 pages in one thread you have to take it into 2 more threads
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Iggy, aren't you being too demanding? After all 15 days is hardly sufficient time for a crack staff to formulate a whitewash statement.
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15 days is ample time to formulate an apology. When I am required to apologize to any part of my customer base it certainly didn't take 15 days to do so. Why? The customers would simply walk out the door, never come back and then tell all their freinds, relatives and assosiates about the shoddy treatment they received.
I mean it wouldn't take 15 days to do so. Because I have never had to do that. Yes, that sounds better
Wonder if they will believe that.
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You don't "get" jokes, do you?
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no one does anymore...
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You all are aweful it's not enough there are 9 pages in one thread you have to take it into 2 more threads
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We'll take it into as many threads as we possibly can.
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We'll smake it down far and wide. The smaking shall ne'er die!
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Smakesignal's right. We need to lay that [censored] down!
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I'm pretty much convinced that the devs believe that they've done nothing wrong and that they don't owe the community an apology. This is why nothing has been forthcoming from the devs, and it's likely that they just hope the whole thing will blow over. Or that you'll go away.
Perhaps festering like an open wound would be the best way to convince them otherwise.
PS. a big shoutout 'yo' to Philly. Thanks for last night.
People in level pacts that were deleted were restored, afaik.
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