Going Rogue

With the advent of switching sides will you find yourself making a brute over a scrapper?

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I will do both, as I have always done as they are different ATs with different "flavours"

For the most part, it will hinder on concept. If either AT will fit the concept, I'll go scrapper every time.

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For the most part, it will hinder on concept. If either AT will fit the concept, I'll go scrapper every time.

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Why will you? I understand why, but I'm playing devil's advocate

If Going Rogue will mean less proliferation, I'll probably play at least a couple brutes.

The thing is, there's no indication at all that Going Rogue will mean ATs will be available on both sides at creation, but rather that you'd have to level on one side, and roleplay it over toward the other side in Praetoria. Any brute you want to play blue side you'll probably have to play red side for a while.

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If Going Rogue will mean less proliferation, I'll probably play at least a couple brutes.

The thing is, there's no indication at all that Going Rogue will mean ATs will be available on both sides at creation, but rather that you'd have to level on one side, and roleplay it over toward the other side in Praetoria. Any brute you want to play blue side you'll probably have to play red side for a while.

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City of Heroes Going Rogue will introduce a new alignment system that helps players explore the shades of gray that lie between good and evil. For the first time, hero characters can become villains and vice versa, enabling hero archetypes to cross over to the Rogue Isles™ and villain archetypes to experience Paragon City™. Clearly marked missions, in addition to behaviors and decisions made by the player, will move a hero's or villain's moral compass, which could eventually change the hero's or villain's alignment. Going Rogue will also introduce two primary new fictional characters representative of this alignment shift in the game's lore: Maelstrom, a pistol-wielding hero gone rogue, and Desdemona, a demon-summoning villain who has been redeemed.

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With the advent of switching sides will you find yourself making a brute over a scrapper?

Discuss

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Well, truth is I have rolled my first Redside toon ever and it's because of Going Rogue. Well, that and Bill's thread on DPS and attack chains had me really eyeballing Energy Melee.

I've always been rather envious of Brutes but I like heroes. I don't want to be a Bad Guy.

Funny thing though.

I discovered a whole new game. Will I bring this guy Blueside if I can? I'm not even positive I can say that now. Probably I will but I am having more fun with him Redside at the moment than I could ever have Blue. I know it. I've exhausted everything Blue that I want to do. I'm having the greatest time exploring all this "new" content.

Just don't tell anyone...

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For the most part, it will hinder on concept. If either AT will fit the concept, I'll go scrapper every time.

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Why will you? I understand why, but I'm playing devil's advocate

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Basically, I'm not a fan of the fury mechanic. I accept it as a necessary evil, but given the choice, where concept would function for either AT, I would rather not deal with fury.

i don't think i'll roll a brute.

I tried few times but, i really don't like to have to try to kkep the fury bar up everytime i'm playing.
Kinda annoying.

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With the advent of switching sides will you find yourself making a brute over a scrapper?

Discuss

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I'll have both, much as now, some blue brutes, some red scrappers.

More importantly I'll have some blue corruptors and red controllers, and we'll just have to wait and see about the doms.

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If Going Rogue will mean less proliferation, I'll probably play at least a couple brutes.

The thing is, there's no indication at all that Going Rogue will mean ATs will be available on both sides at creation, but rather that you'd have to level on one side, and roleplay it over toward the other side in Praetoria. Any brute you want to play blue side you'll probably have to play red side for a while.

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City of Heroes Going Rogue will introduce a new alignment system that helps players explore the shades of gray that lie between good and evil. For the first time, hero characters can become villains and vice versa, enabling hero archetypes to cross over to the Rogue Isles™ and villain archetypes to experience Paragon City™. Clearly marked missions, in addition to behaviors and decisions made by the player, will move a hero's or villain's moral compass, which could eventually change the hero's or villain's alignment. Going Rogue will also introduce two primary new fictional characters representative of this alignment shift in the game's lore: Maelstrom, a pistol-wielding hero gone rogue, and Desdemona, a demon-summoning villain who has been redeemed.

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Emphasis added.

It's referred to as a character process, not one for players or accounts -- characters changing sides, not ATs just being universally provided at creation.

It depends of the powersets.

Invul, ELA, EA, Stone and FA are sets I'd rather play as a brute. A 90% resist cap and higher HP cap makes a big difference there. Fire Melee as well, as Brute GFS is stronger and, as BillZ pointed out, DoTs are affected by Fury but not by crits.

DB, DM, Shield, SS (if it gets proliferated) and Claws are sets I'd rather play as a scrapper. Higher buff mods and all that.

Unlike some people, I'm not able to keep 90% fury all the time, and I frequently dip below 50% (at least once in an average newspaper mission, for example), so my scrappers tend to do better damage than my brutes. So unless the secondary I choose can go over 2600hp/75%res, I'll always pick a scrapper over a brute.

All in all, Going Rogue is probably not going to change anything for me.

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With the advent of switching sides will you find yourself making a brute over a scrapper?

Discuss

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<shrug> I rarely team so it doesn't matter which one I play or on which side.

Bill Z will be crossing over if he can go run the patron arcs and hunt in The Fab.

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Basically, I'm not a fan of the fury mechanic. I accept it as a necessary evil, but given the choice, where concept would function for either AT, I would rather not deal with fury.

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This.

Although honestly the biggest reason I don't play redside a lot is I don't want to duplicate all the work of creating a supergroup, getting tons of Prestige/Infamy, creating an entire superbase, filling all the bins with spare salvage and IOs, having to grind both sides of the game for resources to outfit lowbies, and then get screwed by redside Black Market.

If I could ultimately cross villains over and add them to the existing supergroup I'd probably add Brutes, Corrupters and Masterminds to my repetoire; err after I max out my character slots on my home server since I am full.

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DB, DM, Shield, SS (if it gets proliferated) and Claws are sets I'd rather play as a scrapper. Higher buff mods and all that.

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This. Everyone else would become a Brute. I like the Fury mechanics, it gives me an excuse to rush the team (you'd better keep up because I'm not losing my fury). While I still have a lot of Brutes, I tend to avoid them due to redside being much less populated. The players tend to be slightly worse as well. If Brutes comes heroside I'll be making a lot more of them.

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With the advent of switching sides will you find yourself making a brute over a scrapper?

Discuss

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Nope. Don't want fury.

While I still don't agree with total power proliferation (stone armor shouldn't come to scrappers imo)...if the concept said it could be a scrapper or a brute, and I can get the set on the scrapper and brute, I'd go scrapper everytime.

I just don't care to constantly have to try and keep my fury bar up.

Honestly, the only reason I'd make a brute would be if I can't get the powersets I want on a scrapper (such as my recently rolled stone melee/fire armor brute). I just don't like having to deal with fury - I'd rather start out doing good damage instead of having to build up to it, but mostly I just like to play at my own pace, rather than one the game sets for me. I like to be able to stop and rest, if needed, or wait for a power to recharge, or look over the next group of enemies, or just open my salvage/recipe screen and look at what I've picked up without feeling like I'm gimping myself. I'm having fun with my brute anyway, mostly because stone melee (especially the brute version) is just orgasmically smash-tastic, but it's in spite of the fury mechanic, not because of it.

I'm going to continue to stick with scrappers, because I love Regen.

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Well, truth is I have rolled my first Redside toon ever and it's because of Going Rogue. Well, that and Bill's thread on DPS and attack chains had me really eyeballing Energy Melee.

I've always been rather envious of Brutes but I like heroes. I don't want to be a Bad Guy.

Funny thing though.

I discovered a whole new game. Will I bring this guy Blueside if I can? I'm not even positive I can say that now. Probably I will but I am having more fun with him Redside at the moment than I could ever have Blue. I know it. I've exhausted everything Blue that I want to do. I'm having the greatest time exploring all this "new" content.

Just don't tell anyone...

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What's this “content” thing you speak of? Does that have anything to do with... I think it's called... “reading”? I have two bad guys at 50 now, and I catch enough bad guy chatter to know the main story has something to do with me or someone being a destined one, but other than that, *shrug*. I just smash faces. It's what I do. It's what I love.

I might play a brute to bring him blue side. Brutes are good face smashers. But I have a tendency to constantly tab over to the forums or other stuff on the web in the middle of solo missions, which isn't very good for building and maintaining fury. As long as I can focus, though, fury doesn't seem to be a problem.

I'd bring my current brute blue side, except that, well, he's a bit of a psychopath. Probably wouldn't fit in. Wait, what am I saying, every character I play is a psychopath. “Go look for clues in the warehouse.” “Kill everyone in the warehouse! I'm on it! God, I LOVE my job!”

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Basically, I'm not a fan of the fury mechanic.

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That's me, in a nutshell. I've tried it before (many times) and it just doesn't work for me. I might try a Brute again after Rogue, but I don't hold any hope of it getting far.

(To be honest, I don't play Scrappers much anymore either. They're too... narrow in scope for me anymore. I tend to play Tanks/Defenders and now my one Corruptor more.)

So I guess its safe to say that a scrapper player isn't necessarily in love with brutes lol?

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So I guess its safe to say that a scrapper player isn't necessarily in love with brutes lol?

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Actually I'll probably be leveling a handful of Two Pistol characters.

<makes John Woo double pistol motions>

BANG BANG

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So I guess its safe to say that a scrapper player isn't necessarily in love with brutes lol?

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Actually I'll probably be leveling a handful of Two Pistol characters.

<makes John Woo double pistol motions>

BANG BANG

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For me:
Dual Pistols/Energy Manipulation Blaster
Dual Pistols/Pain Corruptor

for those worried about the fury bar...wouldn't the fact that you would be able to team with defenders, who would have an easier time capping your damage mean that the fury bar would be less useful blue side. Just curious I've been gone for a long time but I thought Brutes damage cap was higher than scrappers...thus defenders and brutes would bring a higher chance for constant damage.