What to take for a Troll Girl?

Please forgive the badly-formed question and let me explain. I have a character, a Broadsword/Invulnerability Scrapper, whose story depicts her as a female of the Trolls, but born, rather than transformed by Superadine. Yes, I'm aware that, like Dwarves, Trolls don't appear to HAVE women to "come up" with a child, but that's easily handwaved in that we just don't know about any. This characters' entire shtick can be summed up as "super strength and sword" at least when it comes to modus operandi, which is easily emulated by Invulnerability and Broadsword. However... I've run out of powers from those sets.

Currently at 41 and sporting Conserve Energy, this Troll Girl is in need of three (or possibly even four) extra powers before she hits 50. And I don't know what to take. So, I'm bringing this question to you - if you were a super-strong, muscular 7-foot tall green woman with a 5-foot-long giant sword, what power would YOU like to have?

I'm currently looking over several options. One, the obvious, is simply taking Fighting and grabbing powers from there. After all, she's supposed to be tough, so taking Tough seems like the obvious choice. I'd need to take either Boxing or Kick, but that's not out of character either, as she's supposed to be super strong. But... Mechanically, I hate this idea. Tough means another toggle, and not a cheap one at that, and while I love the idea of LITERALLY kicking [censored], that would put my giant sword away, which is... Well, impractical, but more than that just plain weird on a character who doesn't put her sword away even when she's walking through town (I like the sword running animation). Plus, the "toughness" is already well-described by Invulnerability through things like, oh... Temporary Invulnerability, Resist Physical Damage, Unyielding, UNSTOPPABLE! Does it really need more? And especially to Smashing and Lethal damage?

The other option is going Epic and picking up Body Mastery. An obvious choice as... She has a very strong body, except... Well, shooting laser beams out of your eyes and energy out of your hands aren't exactly things that naturally follow from being strong. In the slightest. What's more, even Focused Accuracy isn't really justified, as she has no reason to be accurate. She is as close to a Brute as a hero can get, so I don't really see accuracy as an integral perk. Which leaves just Conserve Power, which I have, and... What else?

The final option is Fitness, and I say final because I don't have it or feel it is necessary. I wouldn't have run out of Broadsword and Invulnerability powers otherwise. Fitness, however, is a good choice in this case, because it demonstrates the other side of super-strong invulnerability - the strength to keep on going and maintain this level of physical toughness. Swift and Hurdle would be marginally difficult to explain - a character this big would naturally move faster with a larger stride, and she already has Combat Jumping. Health is beyond easy - she's a Troll! Stamina... Well, that should go without saying. That is, however, four powers to three slots left empty. I guess I COULD just respec out of Conserve Power and grab Swift, Hurdle, Health and Stamina and end up with a Broadsword/Invulnerability/Fitness Scrapper, but... Well, actually, I'm not seeing too many downsides to this. The easy one to spot is that it leads to a bland character, to a point. Where others can throw shurkens or summon squealing tentacles, she can... Run a little faster and... Jump a little higher and... Go a little further. Good meta-game bonuses, absolutely agreed but... Not very interesting conceptually.

And that's pretty much all I can see. All the other stuff doesn't really fit or forward the given concept. So, what would YOU pick?

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Presence, of course. A giant, 7-foot tall, obscenely muscled green woman should look pretty intimidating.

The Leaping pool is another nice option if you've not taken a travel power yet. A super strong character would be able to jump over buildings easily.

Mechanically, the powergamer in me would take Fighting, since it's nice stacked on top of Invuln's defenses, or Fitness, which is useful for obvious reasons.

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Fitness. Tough works because it represents the troll toughness, but since you're /Inv you already have that in your secondary. A little regeneration, and better conditioning are likely the best way to go with the strong, powerful troll warrior.

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Presence or Fitness, I think, would be the ones I'd look into. I'd probably look into just grabbing Leadership. When a big green woman talks, people tend to listen to what she has to say. (or at least scream and run the other direction)

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Well, here's one thing to think about...

While The Hulk is both large and super strong, he's not exactly super-fast, either. His strides are longer, but that can easily be accomodated by Sprint instead (if you feel it's really necessary at all).

He can, however, leap incredibly long distances. Distances that would make even some super-powered types boggle at the sheer length of them. Having an increased muscle mass doesn't really do much for you if you don't apply it properly. Look at Olympic high/long jumpers - they don't necessarily run as fast as an Olympic sprinter, either.

Two totally different applications of muscles.

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Presence I had not even considered, and it's not a bad idea, actually. However, I tend to be very selective of who I give Presence to, as in I tend to see it as something more than just plain being scary. You may be scary, but brave people and mindless monsters would still not be moved. Something like a really horrible monster or a cosmic terror, however, is going to instil fear on a whole other level. I have it planned, for instance, for my creepy little psychic girl who's not just plain scary, she's nightmare-inducing for a variety of REALLY messed-up reasons.

So with Presence out of the question and Fighting debunked, I guess Fitness is all I'm left with. Since that will be redundant with Conserve Power, I guess I'll just respec out of it. I never liked it, anyway. Never found a good, consistent use for it. So I guess I'm making a chunky a woman. Why not?

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well, like others i'll say fighting or fitness for mechanics, but definitely presence for fun!!
you ever tried the presence pool? it's sweet. people will tell you the taunt is meh, it's to short of a duration, the fears aren't high mag yadda yadda yadda..........
whatever! it's so much fun screaming at baddies that i giggle every time, it is pure win from a thematic standpoint.


edit: do'oh, slow on the proverbial draw

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Oh yeah, that was the time that girl got her whatchamacallit stuck in that guys dooblickitz and then what his name did that thing with the lizards and it cleared right up.

screw your joke, i want "FREEM"

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well, like others i'll say fighting or fitness for mechanics, but definitely presence for fun!!
you ever tried the presence pool? it's sweet. people will tell you the taunt is meh, it's to short of a duration, the fears aren't high mag yadda yadda yadda..........
whatever! it's so much fun screaming at baddies that i giggle every time, it is pure win from a thematic standpoint.

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Yeah, I'm going to miss the yell of awesome I have used Presence on a Brute, so I know what it does, and it really is a lot of fun, but it just doesn't really fit the concept. I already have a roar in Unstoppable, and that ought to be good enough. Plus, she's kind of cute, even though she's as big as a house

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Fitness. Tough works because it represents the troll toughness, but since you're /Inv you already have that in your secondary. A little regeneration, and better conditioning are likely the best way to go with the strong, powerful troll warrior.

[/ QUOTE ]Is that guy in your avatar taking an upskirt flying picture?

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Hey now, don't be dissin' Starflier's avatar, I think it's one of the coolest I've seen. Hey flier, did you make it yourself, or did someone else do it?

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We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)

I do believe it's a Toxic_Shia original.

Mostly because of the style and the humor value thrown in.

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Hey now, don't be dissin' Starflier's avatar, I think it's one of the coolest I've seen. Hey flier, did you make it yourself, or did someone else do it?

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not disrespecitng it just looks like one of my fears in animated form and I wanted to be told "No he's just a fan and not pervy at all".

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Hey now, don't be dissin' Starflier's avatar, I think it's one of the coolest I've seen. Hey flier, did you make it yourself, or did someone else do it?

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not disrespecitng it just looks like one of my fears in animated form and I wanted to be told "No he's just a fan and not pervy at all".

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No, he's just a fa...
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i can't say it with a straight face.

Wait, wait, i can do this...

He's *snerk* not.. *clears throat* a.. *ahem* Perv. And a fan.

Really.

[i]Edit: Got distracted by the derail. Personally i would go for Hurdle, and quite possibly Health. i actually have alts who've skipped travel powers in favor of Combat Jumping and the full Fitness line.

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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...

Well, you CAN just remove laser beam eyes from the tray...

Or go with Leadership. Yeah, another toggle, I know... but more of the "harder to hit" and "hits harder" fits, too, doesn't it?

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Or go with Leadership. Yeah, another toggle, I know... but more of the "harder to hit" and "hits harder" fits, too, doesn't it?

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Just leave the toggles off when you get tired or are solo. It's easy enough to justify them as inspiring and being inspired by your teammates when on good teams, and when you get tired it's hard to maintain that level of enthusiasm.

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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...

Fitness. I actually suggest Hurdle, Health, Stamina, which is what I have on my Tanker, Power Cat (along with CJ which Xanta already has). It feels very SOLID to not run too fast, but have those extremely powerful jumps. And Health and Stamina are very appropriate for her, too.

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Mechanics aside, in this case Fitness makes the most thematic sense. Fighting is OK, but it's supposed to represent training in fighting. Fitness though works with both the team of a character enhanced by superdine.

And besides. If she's been dragging around a big honking sword for 40 levels, she's probably pretty fit.

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The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.

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And besides. If she's been dragging around a big honking sword for 40 levels, she's probably pretty fit.

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... honestly, other than ceremonial swords, most swords really aren't that heavy. And they're balanced to make use much easier, typically with the balance point at the hilt. Claymores, I see a weight (doing some quick searches) of about 5 lb. Broadswords, 2-4 lb. One link.

Now, USING it... that I can see. >.<

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I do believe it's a Toxic_Shia original.

Mostly because of the style and the humor value thrown in.

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And because I mention it in my sig?

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And besides. If she's been dragging around a big honking sword for 40 levels, she's probably pretty fit.

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... honestly, other than ceremonial swords, most swords really aren't that heavy. And they're balanced to make use much easier, typically with the balance point at the hilt. Claymores, I see a weight (doing some quick searches) of about 5 lb. Broadswords, 2-4 lb. One link.
Now, USING it... that I can see. >.<

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Well, unless you're super-strong and deliberately use an intentionally over-heavy sword. I mean geez! Plus, Broadsword attacks all look like they have a couple of tons behind them. The first thing I noticed when I returned to this character was that the way she swings that huge thing around is VERY impressive. I know it's identical to Axe and Mace, but the sword just has so much more apparent mass that it feels like she's swinging around a railroad track

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Edited to agree with the Geko. Fitness fits the concept very well. See, I told you I'd take Stamina when it fit

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Or go with Leadership. Yeah, another toggle, I know... but more of the "harder to hit" and "hits harder" fits, too, doesn't it?

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Just leave the toggles off when you get tired or are solo. It's easy enough to justify them as inspiring and being inspired by your teammates when on good teams, and when you get tired it's hard to maintain that level of enthusiasm.

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I'm afraid the very concept of inspiring or being inspired doesn't apply to this one. She isn't exactly a "hulk smash" type of berserker, but she's still more of a ruthless, brutal warrior than an inspiration. Kind of like an Orc in a more classical MMO. Amusingly, she started life as an orc in Lineage 2 But just as an orc would be more about flipping out and killing stuff than inspiring allies, so she is usually the big woman with the sword who takes rockets to the face as a matter of course. Just don't think it can work.

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Fitness. I actually suggest Hurdle, Health, Stamina, which is what I have on my Tanker, Power Cat (along with CJ which Xanta already has). It feels very SOLID to not run too fast, but have those extremely powerful jumps. And Health and Stamina are very appropriate for her, too.

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You know, when I go out of my way to not name "her," it really does count as a spoiler when you do

Still, though, I'm not sure I agree I like her moving slowly. Yes, she's big and heavy, but I really don't think any female character in this game can be big or heavy enough to merit a booming stomp. I reserve the "super heavyweight" category for people like Tyler or Zik for whom direct application of blunt force trauma is the preferred weapon. I like to think of Xanta as someone who combines extreme strength with a good degree of mobility to differentiate her from the more simple-minded, crude Trolls. Well, in more ways than just gender.

Still, though, Fitness it is

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Mechanics aside, in this case Fitness makes the most thematic sense. Fighting is OK, but it's supposed to represent training in fighting. Fitness though works with both the team of a character enhanced by superdine.

And besides. If she's been dragging around a big honking sword for 40 levels, she's probably pretty fit.

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Real Trolls have Invuln, Stone Armor, and/or Regen powers. Jutals in particular run Regen powers, and a lot of the units have Fast Healing. So Health is definitely in-character for the +regen.

My Troll is WP just because it has that perfect mix of RES, DEF, and regen powers that make sense for a Troll.

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And besides. If she's been dragging around a big honking sword for 40 levels, she's probably pretty fit.

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... honestly, other than ceremonial swords, most swords really aren't that heavy. And they're balanced to make use much easier, typically with the balance point at the hilt. Claymores, I see a weight (doing some quick searches) of about 5 lb. Broadswords, 2-4 lb. One link.
Now, USING it... that I can see. >.<

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Well, unless you're super-strong and deliberately use an intentionally over-heavy sword. I mean geez! Plus, Broadsword attacks all look like they have a couple of tons behind them. The first thing I noticed when I returned to this character was that the way she swings that huge thing around is VERY impressive.

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... or cumbersome, especially with a smaller sword being used. It's one of the things that bugged me about BS (and one of the reasons I rarely dust off my 50 BS/SR.)

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... or cumbersome, especially with a smaller sword being used. It's one of the things that bugged me about BS (and one of the reasons I rarely dust off my 50 BS/SR.)

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The Broadsword animations have no finesse or technique, and that is PRECISELY why I love them Is it cumbersome? You bet it is! But then, so is Jurasik's car axe, and that doesn't make it any less impressive. I specifically returned to the Legacy Broadsword because, on females, it is simply HUGE! Bigger than even the Rularuu Sword, and that's saying something. I have a couple of other swordsmen, and both of them are written to be more able, less "smash it with a sword" and both of them use smaller swords - the girl has the Valkyrie, which is pretty short, and the guy has the Romulus Sword, which isn't very big. This one, though... She's 7 feet tall with a 5 foot sword and that's... Pretty much the sum total of why I made her in the first place

You can always just pick smaller swords for Broadsword, though. The various Roman swords and the stock Gladius are all pretty small, but... To me they just don't look right with the "Urk!" animations the set has.

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