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#5) I made 65 mil just by playing the game. Who'd have thought...
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I am at 95 million just playing the game with my dominator who dinged 49 last night.
The thing is the people who say you can't are looking for enough inf to buy all their purples at 50 or looking at expensive stuff in the lower levels. You cannot reason with them. 
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I just happened to click this topic just cause I wanted to see what it was about. Congrats to you and I know that you weren't aiming this at me but wanted to throw some 'kinks' into what you are supposing.
The hard part is defining a "casual player". For some of my sg mates I'm a "casual player" because I don't have x amount of 50s or have all purple IO sets, etc...but for most of my real life friends I'm a "hardcore" player because I have played a game for 5+ years and play about 20 hours a week (maybe less now).
I know that when this game first came out, at my previous job my boss played this game for maybe a month or two. Now I think of him as a "casual player" because he was married/had kids/etc. He played MAYBE 2 hours a week...for a total of around 8 or so hours a month (unless he "really" liked the game then he played a good 10 hours a week then get burned out really fast).
Now for someone like him, he would never know to sell the different DOs/SOs to the correct trainer, probably would never mess with the market and would definitely not know that if you respec you get full value of the DOs/SOs back.
I know when the game was still 'new'...I never knew about the different selling prices to the different stores for DOs/SOs. I think I learned of that (from the boards) about 4-6 months into the game (maybe sooner *shrugs*).
Anyways....just a thought 
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Now for someone like him, he would never know to sell the different DOs/SOs to the correct trainer, probably would never mess with the market and would definitely not know that if you respec you get full value of the DOs/SOs back.
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What would someone like this do with 65 million inf if they got it?
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Now for someone like him, he would never know to sell the different DOs/SOs to the correct trainer, probably would never mess with the market and would definitely not know that if you respec you get full value of the DOs/SOs back.
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What would someone like this do with 65 million inf if they got it?
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Remember, the "casual player" always needs to fully purple their warshade but cannot afford to.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
The interesting thing [to me] is that you still had a dry spell around level 22-26.
Every time I think of doing something like this, I realize I've instinctively scrambled around getting a million inf by level 15 "in case I need it."
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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What would someone like this do with 65 million inf if they got it?
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Who knows...probably nothing *shrugs* I would ask him but I haven't seen him in years :/
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Remember, the "casual player" always needs to fully purple their warshade but cannot afford to.
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Again he wouldn't care one way or another about purples (unless he heard from x person that you "have to have" purple IOs and that you're useless without them. He was very 'naive' in believing that sort of statement (about games at least).
Note: This is the type of person that read the back of a game box with those "Best game ever!" type of ads and he'd come back in the next day and say to us (co-workers/fellow gamers) almost word-for-word "this is the best game ever"...then 2 weeks later he hated it/didn't like it 
Now someone like me who is "casual" in some ways would love to have all purples/set IOs for all of my characters; however, I only use regular IOs because I don't have the time and/or money to worry about all that. I did one of my characters (fire/fire scrapper) all IO'ed up as best I could (a few purples here and there but mainly all set IOs)....that cost me a good $160 or so mil (maybe 200 mil) which 'bankrupted' my main (EI)....but EI is now back to around 150 mil influence.
Anyways not sure where I'm going with this but... :P
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SwellGuy: Your either more aggressive on the market or just plain luckier than me
To Ion: I based my definition of 'Casual player' on the amount of and duration of time i played per week. 5-7 hours per week is perfectly reasonable as a mid range. Less than that i would consider an 'occasional' player. The respeccing for full DO/SO value was something i learned way back before I9 and before we had a market to make cash with.
To Fulmens: At no point was i actively trying to make money. I killed stuff for cash and sold everything i didnt use. Below 30 there just arent many recipes that sell for alot and the amount you get for killing stuff compared to how fast you level isnt enough to keep you in the green. It was also before the salvage on the market had dried up and prices were still low. That said though, my Widow found a nice little niche and was sitting on about 5 mil by level 20
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SwellGuy: Your either more aggressive on the market or just plain luckier than me
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Probably a little of both. But I noticed MA had driven up common salvage, even the highest level stuff like Ceramic Armor Plate which used to be vendor trash so I would list it all for at least 255 (when there were 0 bidding) and even higher on others where more were bidding than for sale.
And uncommons? Well what can I say, nothing better than getting an uncommon salvage drop and having people pay 100k for it.
I'm holding onto my rares until they rebound.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Now for someone like him, he would never know to sell the different DOs/SOs to the correct trainer, probably would never mess with the market and would definitely not know that if you respec you get full value of the DOs/SOs back.
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What would someone like this do with 65 million inf if they got it?
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Ideally the casual player would use that 65 mil to buy a lower level toon theyplan to work on next an early knockback proc and to bank roll the next character they play.
One thing i do love is that with tickets you can get the correct level single origins without having to worry about if you can slot a level 30 or 35 so yet. you can get a level 33 or 34 and be effective as possible after every map if you want.
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SwellGuy: (when there were 0 bidding)
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I still listed for 11 in this case and was constantly amazed when people would still pony up over 50K for it.
One area I have trouble with when reading these posts is if people who say "casual gamer" are only talking about how much you've played or if you are including how long they've played and/or how much experience they have with the game.
I convinced my friend to come back to the game after leaving around I3...I will flat out say that tying to explain to him how the Market worked got a huge blank stare from him. This was after I tried to explain it to him IN GAME, which is more or less pointless.
Anyways...I think we can all agree that if you just sell your stuff at WW you will end up with way more money then you ever had pre-I9. But, understanding how IOs work and how Set Recipes work without doing pretty decent research on the Internet.
What is even worse is that without doing that research...you not only are making it harder on your character, but you also don't know what recipes are valuable and which ones are not. At lvl 40 you could get a Decimation Acc/Dam and a Detonation Acc/Dam and if you got the Detonation first you'd probably assume the Decimation wasn't worth all that much and just vendor the item.
So..in the end...we all know that WW can give you tons of influence...the big question is helping the "casual" or "new" gamer really understand how it works so they can make that money.
Of course, once that happens it'd make it much harder for people trying to flip things. I will say that to this day the single biggest thing that amazes me is how much more money people spend on crafted enhancements then recipes. How I can take a recipe worth $10k and sell it for $3M just amazes me.
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Of course, once that happens it'd make it much harder for people trying to flip things. I will say that to this day the single biggest thing that amazes me is how much more money people spend on crafted enhancements then recipes. How I can take a recipe worth $10k and sell it for $3M just amazes me.
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Even more odd to me is that the root of that seems to lie in people who honestly know what they're doing there when they do it. They just would prefer to throw the (vastly multiplied) money at it to get the final result rather than spend the time crafting it themselves. In some cases I can imagine that really being worth some folk's time. If they're a top-end farmer buying a crafted Thunderstrke for 3M, they might actually be losing money to spend the time to bid on all the salvage and craft it when they get it all. I find it hard to imagine that it's actually more efficient for the majority of players though.
...and then there's stuff like the L50 Numina heal I got, crafted and sold for 30M, meanwhile buying a L48 recipie for 6M.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Hi, I just thot I'd add my 2 cents in here. I consider myself a casual gamer and play a lot like veg's scenario above.
The thing with new people understanding the market is that they will mostly learn by common sense. They may make that Decimation mistake once but never again. I was quite intimadated by the market when it came out I had just joined in I8 so there was a lot for me to learn then with the addition of the market I almost gave up, almost. So I checked it out and was vastly overwhemed with the interface. But I compared everything I had with everything on the market and everything at the vendors and spent a few hours just getting familiar with it. Started to ALWAYS check with the market before I sold anything in case it was worth something.
I think your case study of what a Casual Player can do just by playing is a good one. I must have made a ton in Villains just on my "lucky drops" if I didn't sell them at the market I'd be much poorer. (I did get quite lucky solo, 2 or 3 respec recp, 2 steadfast prot uniques, 1 armegeddon, 1 touch of death proc. plus a ton of other so-so's and crap thru lvls 10-48) it got me a perma1 by lvl 47 ~
Way to go Vegemite_Kid!
I consider myself a casual gamer. I play about 3-4 hours a week. Unless I have nothing to do which is very rare.
I have one toon with 300 mill now. I still consider that poor...heh If it wasnt for a purple drop, I wouldn't have that much. Still dont see me hitting the bill mark though. Would be nice to purple out at least one toon someday. Just cause....
I wish I had the time to play this game like I did back in issues 1-3. If I did I probably would be (in my eyes) rich.
But yeah, it isn that hard to make a good bit of in game cash just by playing the game. As long as you use the market anyway. If you dont us it, it's just like it used to be. Wishing for enough inf to fully slot SOs..That sort of sucked. Yay Market!
EDIT:Change that, as of today 355 mill. I sold a winters gift slow resist for 50 mill. I know I didnt put it up for that much...hehe Thanks to whom ever did that 
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I will flat out say that tying to explain to him how the Market worked got a huge blank stare from him.
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How hard can it be to grasp double blind consignments?
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In my experience it really depends on how lucky you get with drops and what market rates are at any given time. In fact, I've been conducting a similar experiment as the OP with a blaster I rolled a few days ago.
This blaster has sold every drop he received, so far, and reached lvl 18 today. After buying DOs at lvl 12 and updating them at lvl 18, his total bank is about 350k. Not that this amount is anything to sneeze at, but it's nowhere near the 1 mil mark (as stated by a previous poster).
Thing is, my blaster hasn't received a single recipe that was part of a set yet, just common IOs. He teams 1/2 the time and solos the other half. So, there were good chances of getting something good, but it just hasn't happened. Sure, a few Luck Charms have dropped here and there, but that's about it. I realize it's still early in his career and he may start getting some good drops after 20, so you never know.
Coincidentally, I have a friend who almost never gets any good drops in all the time I've known him and he's always broke on just about every toon he has... it's rather humorous, really... but like I said, it's all a matter of luck and it's different for everyone.
I consider myself a fairly casual gamer. I play quite a bit (maybe 15 hours per week on average), but on most toons, I don't play the market or farm. I do quite a few task forces though, since I'm fond of them. Generally, by the time I get to level 10, I have between 100 and 150 million on a toon. Some I actually use it to buy set IOs, and others I just stick with generic IOs and SOs, and funnel the money to another toon.
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I consider myself a fairly casual gamer. I play quite a bit (maybe 15 hours per week on average), but on most toons, I don't play the market or farm. I do quite a few task forces though, since I'm fond of them. Generally, by the time I get to level 10, I have between 100 and 150 million on a toon. Some I actually use it to buy set IOs, and others I just stick with generic IOs and SOs, and funnel the money to another toon.
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What TFs/SFs do you do to get that much money by lvl 10? Unless you mean you get that by playing the market (which you said you don't do)....
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I consider myself a fairly casual gamer. I play quite a bit (maybe 15 hours per week on average), but on most toons, I don't play the market or farm. I do quite a few task forces though, since I'm fond of them. Generally, by the time I get to level 10, I have between 100 and 150 million on a toon. Some I actually use it to buy set IOs, and others I just stick with generic IOs and SOs, and funnel the money to another toon.
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What TFs/SFs do you do to get that much money by lvl 10? Unless you mean you get that by playing the market (which you said you don't do)....
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I was thinking the same thing. I call bologna.
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I consider myself a fairly casual gamer. I play quite a bit (maybe 15 hours per week on average), but on most toons, I don't play the market or farm. I do quite a few task forces though, since I'm fond of them. Generally, by the time I get to level 10, I have between 100 and 150 million on a toon. Some I actually use it to buy set IOs, and others I just stick with generic IOs and SOs, and funnel the money to another toon.
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What TFs/SFs do you do to get that much money by lvl 10? Unless you mean you get that by playing the market (which you said you don't do)....
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I'm also curious to know what SF/TFs are available pre-10. Don't you have to be at least 10 just to do Positron's? Last I checked you couldn't SK onto a TF. Something seems quirky here. Perhaps it's a typo.
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I consider myself a fairly casual gamer. I play quite a bit (maybe 15 hours per week on average), but on most toons, I don't play the market or farm. I do quite a few task forces though, since I'm fond of them. Generally, by the time I get to level 10, I have between 100 and 150 million on a toon. Some I actually use it to buy set IOs, and others I just stick with generic IOs and SOs, and funnel the money to another toon.
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What TFs/SFs do you do to get that much money by lvl 10? Unless you mean you get that by playing the market (which you said you don't do)....
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I'm also curious to know what SF/TFs are available pre-10. Don't you have to be at least 10 just to do Positron's? Last I checked you couldn't SK onto a TF. Something seems quirky here. Perhaps it's a typo.
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Level 20 maybe, but still, not without playing the market, or transfering inf.
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Level 20 maybe, but still, not without playing the market, or transfering inf.
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I don't know about that. You can turn off XP and run posi and synapse at 20...a lot...it's not my cup of tea, but somebody else might be happy with it.
All that sounds all gravy, but 65mil isn't really much enough to do anything with. Unless, you wanna hang out in WW and play the market. But grats and your journey i guess.
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All that sounds all gravy, but 65mil isn't really much enough to do anything with. Unless, you wanna hang out in WW and play the market. But grats and your journey i guess.
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lol
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So i just finished my little experiment i had going by soloing a character (dark/dark/ghost widow brute) from 1-50. My rules were quite simple:
- Play like a casual player playing at odd hours might. I was on for about an hour most mornings just before the server shutdown and occasionally on weekends for a few hours. I didnt team at all, except for a sharkhead sf and a treespec. I was not at max level for either of these and so was getting XP the whole way through. I didnt find it inconceivable that someone might do 1 SF and 1 treespec on their way to 50.
- Using Veteran respecs and freespecs, i respecced at 27, 32 and 37. So when the majority of my SO's were about to expire i could get FULL VALUE from them and get a nice shiny new set.
- Starting from level 30 i would craft any common IO's i had that i had the salvage for. From level 40 i started crafting any Set IO's i had, buying salvage as necessary. All rare salvage drops i got went straight into storage until needed. Its almost full. All enhancements were sold to the appropriate vendor. All common IO's and common and uncommon salvage were listed on the market for 11. For set IO's, it was a case by case basis. For the common trash, 11. For the in demand stuff, i charged what the market would bear. I would also check the crafted prices and see if it was worth it to craft then sell. At 50, all i have left on the market is some mid 40's trashy set IO's.
So what is the result of my CASUAL PLAYER experiment?
Total merits earned - 382
Liquid assets on hand - A shade over 65 million inf. Large thanks to AE for this as common salvage was listed for 11 and selling up to 250K in some cases.
Brokest period - 22-26. Salvage prices were still down and i was trying to afford SO's.
So there it is.
#1) because, well i found it interesting that with all the doom and gloom that so called casual players are throwing around these days, i was able to quite easily play the game and make money.
#5) I made 65 mil just by playing the game. Who'd have thought...
Implied #7 - You now who i'm aiming this at, i just wont mention them coz my fireproof suit is at the cleaners..
#9) 65 Mil is enough to kit out a toon nicely, or enough capital to become an EBIL marketeer. Or both