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We have our first Hall of Fame...and the winner is

AddamsFamily

By AddamsFamily,
Posted on: 2009-05-04 01:20 in Mission Architect

 

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The Footsteps Initiative by Muu. Allow me to be the first to offer my congratulations, and to thank you for showing all these DOOOOOM sayers, who say that Hall of fame cant be done, that it is possible!!!!!

 

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It's been done before, except as soon as an arc gets HoF it gets pummeled by 0-star rankings and loses its HoF status.

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hrmm.....thats kind of lame. So once you get hall of fame, it doesnt lock you in? they need to change that.....im kind of sorry i cost Muu his hall of fame status now, they are gonna grief the hell out of him......

 

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that needs changed.....it was a great arc.....

 

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that needs changed.....it was a great arc.....

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eh.

i didnt think the jokes were all that funny (no offense Muu)

Nonetheless, I agree its utter bull that he can get to HoF and then be griefed or even just hit with enough 3's to fall back out. ;/

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Yeah as I understand it there have been HoF arcs bouncing in and out for many weeks now.

It has been driving the folks trying to get the "Evaluator/Reviewer/Critic/Judge/Two Thumbs Up" line of badges crazy because even if you manage to start a HoF arc if it gets downvoted before you finish it it doesn't count for the badges.

The system involved with HoF ranking definitely needs to be revised in some way. They probably ought to put a timer on when an arc makes it to the HoF so that regardless of voting it stays as a HoF arc for at least 24 hours or some such.

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Sort of on topic. When something hits hall of fame and it gets bounced back out does it go back to using up one of your 3 spots? What if you published another arc already?

 

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AFAIK, it was tested and what happens is that the fourth arc becomes uneditable.

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My understanding was that only Dev's Choice frees an arc slot. HoF is just another rating (or compilation of ratings).

But I could very easily be wrong.

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Hall of fame gives you a slot too.

But the second you arent in the hall of fame you lose the slot (or if you published something in it, it becomes uneditable)

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It sounds like ratings need to be weighted somehow, so that a single 1 or 0 star does not require five 5-star ratings to negate. I'm sure that was argued in test, though.

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It has been driving the folks trying to get the "Evaluator/Reviewer/Critic/Judge/Two Thumbs Up" line of badges crazy because even if you manage to start a HoF arc if it gets downvoted before you finish it it doesn't count for the badges.

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Not true, but it does make it impossible to farm for the higher of those badges.

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Well, I suppose if it looks like one of your arcs were heading towards HoF status, you could polish up an extra arc, then publish it with the very good possibility of never editing it. <_<;;

But that sounds very screwy. Maybe instead of immediately getting Hall of Fame status, the server will flag it as one, but not give the badge, extra arc, or any visual indication that it is HoF.

After some amount of time (a day, a week, dunno, something), if the arc is still in the HoF range, then it gains Hall of Fame status, rewards are offered. Should it drop from HoF, nothing would be taken away.

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Hall of Fame needs to be a permanent setting.

Once something gets there, is should stay put unless you repub the arc.

Otherwise, people will grief you right back out, as has been demonstrated.

The folks on Test didn't want to grief anyone, they wanted to see what the badges were, and so on and so forth. I think the numbers were different as well. There may have BEEN folks on Test who knew this... but preferred to not let it get out, so that once the code was Live it'd take a lot of effort and time to get it changed, and therefore they'd have months to mess with people.

I'd love for the Devs to datamine the votes that knock something out of HoF, see how many are the same people doing the same thing to other arcs.

And then ban a few folks from the AE (or the game) for at least a few months, if not permanently. There's no other way to deal with griefers, really.


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I think The Footsteps Initiative has now hit HoF a few times and been griefed back out.

It's truly a pity. I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

 

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Actually, it doesn't even take griefing to knock it out. Odds are, any HoF arc is there due to barely having a 4.5 rating. Depending on how it rounds, someone rating the arc 3-star, just because he legitimately thinks it's not a great arc, will knock it down to 4.4. A 2-star will definitely take it out.

The problem may be griefers, but it's also just as likely the flawed system of averaging the ratings.

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The folks on Test didn't want to grief anyone, they wanted to see what the badges were, and so on and so forth. I think the numbers were different as well. There may have BEEN folks on Test who knew this... but preferred to not let it get out, so that once the code was Live it'd take a lot of effort and time to get it changed, and therefore they'd have months to mess with people.

I'd love for the Devs to datamine the votes that knock something out of HoF, see how many are the same people doing the same thing to other arcs.

And then ban a few folks from the AE (or the game) for at least a few months, if not permanently. There's no other way to deal with griefers, really.

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two things:

1) you know, there are folks that say we never landed on the moon. Conspiracy theories are funny as hell.

2) I thought the footsteps inititiative sucked. There's a long list of reasons, starting with the NPC's taking most of your experience and ending with the total lack of any sort of challenge. The story was alright, but it was definitely NOT Mark Twain... at best I thought the story rated a 3.

Does that mean that I should be banned from the MA simply because I do not enjoy a story that many others do? I hated 'Wizard's first rule' also, I thought it was trite and overdone, showing too much influence from other writers with a classically pathetic 'I am your father, Luke.' ending, and yet, that book was so popular it was turned into a TV series. Does that mean I should not be allowed to read books or watch TV? Simply because, as a writer, I have higher literary standards than my peers?

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There is a difference between an honest rating that differs from the majority opinion and griefing. Personally, I have 2-Starred a Dev's Chioce Mission.

The problem is in determining whether it's griefing or an honest vote. The only real way to determine if someone is deliberately griefing HOF missions is to check their voting history on those arcs, and there have been far too few HOF arcs at this point for any real pattern to develop.

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Footsteps was HoF in the first week this issue was out, then it lost it, then it got it back, then it lost it.

Like it or don't like it, the NPC's are funny to me and I'm not so obsessed with XP/minute that I can't just sit back and enjoy something for being fun (which should be obvious if you've played the arc in my sig). I get if you don't find it funny or whatever, but knocking it for the NPC's "stealing" your XP always baffles me.

For me, I rate based on fun or not fun, but whatever.

I think something needs to be done with the rating system since there are slews of people voting high-ranking arcs zeroes and ones in a misguided attempt to bump their own arcs. Here's a newsflash for those folks: if an arc has a high ranking, that isn't stealing anything from your arc. It isn't a zero sum gain here.

 

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I'm begining to wonder myself if this isn't what the dev's intended.

They haven't addressed us, in one way or another. That I have seen anyway. They are worried about farming at the moment and balancing teh MA system. I honestly don't think it's high on their radar, if at ALL.

This rating's system is another way for them to keep us busy. Bickering. Ranking. Greifing. Farming. Banding together to attack the one star squads. Banding together to attack the five star squads. All of this promote interacting with others and forming your own gang of likewised angry people and moving towards your own agenda :P Now despite what anyone may believe, I feel this is a wonderful idea, in design only.

Keeping your user base busy and bickering is a old trick, but it works. You keep them distracted, and the few that realize they are being duped into arguing over things, will not be heard in the commotion thats being shouted.

The longer you keep your userbase busy, the longer you have to make more content and work on bugs. You run a calculated risk at losing "x" number of players, but based on "y" number of players and reactivations number wise you will even out more then likely. It refreshes your stale old players and sends them off shouting "I'll never be bacl" then they go play WoW eventually (they ALL do :P) and come back, either admitting it was awful or claiming they missed the game. The same game they'd never be back to :P

Of course this is just my 2 cents on why things are the way they are

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I think something needs to be done with the rating system since there are slews of people voting high-ranking arcs zeroes

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How do you even rate something zero? I thought 1 was the lowest choice. Does it get a zero if you choose not to vote? Cause that would be kinda dumb in the instance where the person just doesn't care and wants to play.