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How about international style pack that involve with indian hair, indian hat,
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Like... a turban? I don't think I understand.
Well, two things here anyway: First, you should put all costume suggestions, even Super Booster ideas, over in SexyJ's Costume Request Thread to ensure that he (SexyJ, the guy primarily responsible for costume design) will take a look at them.
Second, the first five super boosters are going to be origin-themed. We've had Tech and Magic, so coming up next are Natural, Science, and Mutant. So that's not to say there won't be more later, but those are the first few and will probably take another year or so to get fully released.
Sexy Jay just needs to release capes created from the flags of 'generally recognised sovereign states', as well as their over seas territories. (and in the case of the UK, the constituent countries)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states
Waves $10 ready to pay for this pack
get to it Jay
*cracks whip*
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Sexy Jay just needs to release capes created from the flags of 'generally recognised sovereign states', as well as their over seas territories. (and in the case of the UK, the constituent countries)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states
Waves $10 ready to pay for this pack
get to it Jay
*cracks whip*
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Then you can make Captain Kenya and stand around singing "We got ye tigers, only in Kenya. Come to Kenya we got tigers!"
On the topic. I'm actually surprised we don't already have a turban available considering all the other hat choices we have.
Yeah! Turbans and yarmulkahs and shtreimels! Mantillas and wimples and capello romano!
That way we can insult all religions equally when we put them on our characters that are made specifically for comedic purpose!
I'd also love some curly payot for men. That way it's easier to tell who is jewish.
/sarcasm
Division makes derision easier. I really hope no ethnic or nationalist items are put into the game. I don't wanna be rescued by Hannukah Harry only to find out that the White Knight is after him and Uncle Tom, both.
-Rachel-
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Of course magic is fictional.
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Orly? Since when!
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Yeah! Turbans and yarmulkahs and shtreimels! Mantillas and wimples and capello romano!
That way we can insult all religions equally when we put them on our characters that are made specifically for comedic purpose!
I'd also love some curly payot for men. That way it's easier to tell who is jewish.
/sarcasm
Division makes derision easier. I really hope no ethnic or nationalist items are put into the game. I don't wanna be rescued by Hannukah Harry only to find out that the White Knight is after him and Uncle Tom, both.
-Rachel-
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We Hebrews already have a hero, and his name is not Harry.
He's 100% Kosher
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Sexy Jay just needs to release capes created from the flags of 'generally recognised sovereign states', as well as their over seas territories. (and in the case of the UK, the constituent countries)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states
Waves $10 ready to pay for this pack
get to it Jay
*cracks whip*
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Then you can make Captain Kenya and stand around singing "We got ye tigers, only in Kenya. Come to Kenya we got tigers!"
On the topic. I'm actually surprised we don't already have a turban available considering all the other hat choices we have.
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I cant do that as Mr Kenya would smack me silly.
Meanwhile, I'll take the opportunity to plug Global Heroics on Triumph (www.globalheroics.net). A mature and fun group to play with all with a Mr/Miss/Ms Countryname theme.
Even better, run the arc "A Nation Goes Rogue Arc " ID#2369 (under @Mr Falkland Islands) and get to meet a couple of the characters from the group.
*shameless plugs over*
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Yeah! Turbans and yarmulkahs and shtreimels! Mantillas and wimples and capello romano!
That way we can insult all religions equally when we put them on our characters that are made specifically for comedic purpose!
I'd also love some curly payot for men. That way it's easier to tell who is jewish.
/sarcasm
Division makes derision easier. I really hope no ethnic or nationalist items are put into the game. I don't wanna be rescued by Hannukah Harry only to find out that the White Knight is after him and Uncle Tom, both.
-Rachel-
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Yeah cause it's not at all possible that someone would want to make a character similar to Scirocco and give him a turban for the theme. Or a character from a setting similar to Aladdin. Nope no turbans. Ninja hoods and pirate hats are ok though!
Yes, Ozzie. It is possible. In fact I'd say it's highly likely and almost assured that SOMEONE would want to use them properly.
However I'm sure plenty of people would use them -inappropriately-.
And ninjas and pirates are neither ethnic or national, thanks to the modern bastardization of the former and the romanticization of the latter.
-Rachel-
I'd say ninja (plural of ninja: ninja) are substantially more ethnic -- deriving only from a single, very small nation -- than turbans, which are used in a geographic range stretching across much of East Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia.
Or were you meaning to suggest you automatically associate turbans with people of middle eastern descent?
Edit: Forgive me a short rant here, but you know, that really irks me. The best way to promote fear of something is to segregate it. There's nothing wrong with making fun of someone, or being made fun of -- those are natural parts of integration. I understand that some things are just too dear to some people to be allowed into the public forum willy-nilly, but Eris forbid that one of them is a hat. And besides, if you want to kill a joke? Repeat it until everyone's heard it.
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Absolutely 100% quoted for truth.
So, this would be a suggestion for a Natural Booster Pack?
Okay, sure. That makes some sense.
How about adding some Native American pieces too then? Maybe some Mexican bits? Or one of those kool Canadian Mounted Police uniforms?
That sounds like a fine idea for a Natural Pack.
As for the flags, this was something that I was in favor of but according to devs is not likely to happen because of the possible outcry from players in countries that are not represented.
My solution was simple. Only do the flags for the countries where the game is actually distributed. Add flags as distribution area increases. Can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can make the ones you're catering to happy.
I like all of the costume suggestions made in this thread. I see the OP has already been directed to Jay's request thread, so I don't need to do so.
I would adore flag capes and more costume options in general. I do not believe the potential for people to abuse costume items is a reason to not make them. For all of the potential for abuse, there's even more potential to have heroic, inspirational concepts realized. I think anyone trying to offend is going to manage whatever tools are or are not available, so should not be a consideration.
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Edit: Forgive me a short rant here, but you know, that really irks me. The best way to promote fear of something is to segregate it. There's nothing wrong with making fun of someone, or being made fun of -- those are natural parts of integration. I understand that some things are just too dear to some people to be allowed into the public forum willy-nilly, but Eris forbid that one of them is a hat. And besides, if you want to kill a joke? Repeat it until everyone's heard it.
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Jokes can be contextually demeaning even if your demeanor is jovial and lighthearted. In a game where there are no vocal/tonal shifts and facial expression, its hard to separate the serious from the not serious.
Adding in turbans, despite your geographical detail, will still add an element of subjective stereotyping.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." Agent Kay
Don't think that if certain costume pieces were put into the game for use that some ignorant S.O.B. isn't going to run around claiming to be a terrorist or some other stereotype.
It's easier to limit what can be put into the game than to put everything in the game and continually smack around the banhammer.
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As for the flags, this was something that I was in favor of but according to devs is not likely to happen because of the possible outcry from players in countries that are not represented.
My solution was simple. Only do the flags for the countries where the game is actually distributed. Add flags as distribution area increases. Can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can make the ones you're catering to happy.
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Thats why I gave the whole list. Its only 203 sovereign states long in total.
193 are unarguable (UN members + Holy See)
With Sexy Jays talents he could knock em out quick... I mean its only (insert code rant) a coloured skin over a flat background.
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And yet none of the costume items were released in the context used.
And I find it funny how the rabbi looks nothing like a rabbi. What stereotype are you using for him?
Ninja are technically ethnic....
However the Ninja pieces in the game look NOTHING like what real ninja would wear.
Closer to a real ninja would be a terrorist blowing up a building by dressing up like someone who would GO to that building.
The mystique and black catsuits in the night are a bastardization of what ninja really were. The closes thing to 'all black' a real ninja might wear would be during a play.
In Japanese theatre 'special effects' were implemented early on. People wearing head to toe black would move about on the stage waving fans, moving objects, and other things while being contextually ignored by the audience. It's possible that some ninja infiltrated a theatre troupe and used that 'role' to assassinate someone.
The Ninja that we know of in modern times have been westernized to the point of not being Japanese at all, in many cases. They've become as much a part of western cultures as Zombies. Which most people don't attribute to Houdoun traditions.
Ninja aren't 'Japanese' anymore. They're just 'ninja'
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And yet none of the costume items were released in the context used.
And I find it funny how the rabbi looks nothing like a rabbi. What stereotype are you using for him?
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I went to google images, typed in "rabbi" and tried to amalgamate the first page results into something which could be roughly translated into the character creator. This fella here was more or less what I was aiming for.
I do find it interesting that the word "stereotype" is treated like some sort of nouveau-profanity. You'll find that the imam, priest and nun don't look much like their respective real life day-to-day counterparts either, but you don't seem to have much issue with them likely because they suit your exemplar of what these characters do look like. The important fact is not that you have stereotypes, it's that you don't judge every individual as per the connotations involved with these.
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And ninjas and pirates are neither ethnic or national, thanks to the modern bastardization of the former and the romanticization of the latter.
-Rachel-
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... confused as to the statement on pirates being romanticized being the reason they're "neither ethnic nor national." Piracy was rampant from before Roman times (Julius Caesar was, as I recall, held captive by some - then turned around and attacked. Cato, as well, dealt with them... from memory.) There's been no one nation, belief, or ethnicity that's been associated with pirates.
Of course, some of it would also be "from a certain point of view." Privateers were legal auxiliaries to navies (or alternatives to them,) but seen as "pirates" from the other side quite often (and treated as such.)
You could, in essence, create almost any period costume from multiple regions with some degree of access to the sea and mention the person's a pirate... and be perfectly ok with it.
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The mystique and black catsuits in the night are a bastardization of what ninja really were. The closes thing to 'all black' a real ninja might wear would be during a play.
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Actually, the black suit and mask was the traditional "night mission" outfit for a ninja, though it wasn't generally stark black. Almost always, it was an incredibly dark (but still discernable) blue, red, , brown, or green with a similar color of make up (or dirt) to cover the areas of skin left visible from the eye slit (including the eye lids). The mask itself was actually 2 pieces of cloth tied in such a way that one covered the lower half of the head and the other covered the upper half (with the knots in the back of the head stabilizing the both of them).
Of course, this "ninja outfit" was only used whenever the specific mission didn't require long term infiltration. If the objective was just to steal plans or assassinate an individual (and yes, there were missions such as this), then the "ninja suit" would be worn by every member of the team much as modern day armed forces wear camoflauge. If a modern soldier was sent to infiltrate civilians for a long term mission, of course s/he wouldn't wear his/her BDUs. They would wear their civvies. But if they were going in for a single, short term mission, they would wear clothes camoflauge more suited to blending in with their environment rather than blending in with the people around them.
I want fezzes. And turbans. Headscarves would be very nice too. The cultural implications aside, costume options are better than no costume options.
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And yet none of the costume items were released in the context used.
And I find it funny how the rabbi looks nothing like a rabbi. What stereotype are you using for him?
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I went to google images, typed in "rabbi" and tried to amalgamate the first page results into something which could be roughly translated into the character creator. This fella here was more or less what I was aiming for.
I do find it interesting that the word "stereotype" is treated like some sort of nouveau-profanity. You'll find that the imam, priest and nun don't look much like their respective real life day-to-day counterparts either, but you don't seem to have much issue with them likely because they suit your exemplar of what these characters do look like. The important fact is not that you have stereotypes, it's that you don't judge every individual as per the connotations involved with these.
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Judging my judgment...
Pot, meet kettle. Enjoy.
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Ninja are technically ethnic....
However the Ninja pieces in the game look NOTHING like what real ninja would wear.
Closer to a real ninja would be a terrorist blowing up a building by dressing up like someone who would GO to that building.
The mystique and black catsuits in the night are a bastardization of what ninja really were. The closes thing to 'all black' a real ninja might wear would be during a play.
In Japanese theatre 'special effects' were implemented early on. People wearing head to toe black would move about on the stage waving fans, moving objects, and other things while being contextually ignored by the audience. It's possible that some ninja infiltrated a theatre troupe and used that 'role' to assassinate someone.
The Ninja that we know of in modern times have been westernized to the point of not being Japanese at all, in many cases. They've become as much a part of western cultures as Zombies. Which most people don't attribute to Houdoun traditions.
Ninja aren't 'Japanese' anymore. They're just 'ninja'
-Rachel-
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Epic Failure on your rationalization Rach. If you go out and ask 100 random people what the first nationality or ethnicity they think of when they hear the word ninja you will get 100 japanese/oriental as the answer. To claim otherwise is a load of crap.
Futhermore if the devs wanted to keep religious, ethnic, or nationalist items out of the game then they will have to remove the following items.
Samurai Armor - Japanese
Martial Arts uniform - Oriental
Medieval Armor - Caucasions
Ninja outfits - Japanese
Kilts - Scottish/Irish
Ankh chest symbol - Egyptian
Celtic symbols - Scottish/Irish
Devil symbol - Christianity/Catholic
Eagle 1 symbol - Native American
Eye of Horus symbol - Egyptian
Hammer & Sickle symbol - Russian/Soviet/Communist
Liberty Bell symbol - American
Maple Leaf symbol - Canadian
Pentacle symbols - Wiccan/Satanic (No relation to eachother)
Shield 2 symbol - American
Yin Yang symbol - Oriental
Cowboy Boots/Hat - American Western/Southerner
Conical hat - Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese
Egyptian hat - Egyptian
Viking helmet - Scandinavian
Saxon helmet - Germanic
Crusader Helm - Christianity
Tiara 7 (ankh) - Egyptian
Mongolian bow - Oriental
Gladius - Roman/Italian
Khopesh - Egyptian
Arabian Scimitar - Arabic
Tribal Shield - African
Katana - Japanese
Wakazashi - Japanese
Tanto - Oriental
Sai - Oriental
Ninja blade - Japanese
Shillelagh - Irish
As everyone can see we have plenty of costume pieces that are obvious religious, ethnic, or nationalist items. There is plenty of precedent to allow the requested items.
You know there's Magic pack and Cyborg pack? How about international style pack that involve with indian hair, indian hat, scottish kilt (of course there's already one on veteran), and etc?
Whole country in this world "earth", all people have their own stereotype. There's indian... we can have indian character or whatever. Maybe irish? Italian lol?
Of course magic is fictional. Cyborg is half way fictional (I am 3% cyborg 'cuz I have cochlear implant lol). well...
Why not realistic nonfiction outfit?