Yes please. State flags too!
I'd like the Maryland state flag.
Please and thank you.
This should be in Jay's thread. Otherwise, yes please.
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
LOVE this idea.
However I'm not sure how it will fly with various countries. There are some weird.... Rules with flags.
For example! Hanging a US Flag upside down is a criminal act and sign of distress, Hanging it backwards on a flagpole is also against the law. Hanging it on a wall facing the wrog direction (stars in the upper right hand corner) is also wrong.
Might be some issues with specific countries not liking our use of their national symbols for 'Spanky McScrapperpants'
Still! -I- would like to see it.
-Rachel-
I'd like to see this also. We need way more cape designs. Can't understand why we don't have sg logo capes either.
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LOVE this idea.
However I'm not sure how it will fly with various countries. There are some weird.... Rules with flags.
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This is my primary thought as to why (other than art time/money) it might not happen. If that's not an issue, then why not do so.
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I'd like to see this also. We need way more cape designs. Can't understand why we don't have sg logo capes either.
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I really like this idea.
/signed
Oh, and I'll /sign for the country flag capes too.
Hanging the US flag upside down or flying it backwards is not a criminal act. That's ridiculous.
/edit However, according to US Flag Code, it's disrespectful to use the flag "as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations."
So, whether or not that group includes super-heroes/villains may be the primary issue.
Well that would be patch not cape...
A cape's a big patch 
If super heroes existed in the real world and wanted to wear a country's flag as a cape, I bet it'd be permitted without much fuss.
Oh. For the record: This is a list of US Flag Laws and Regulations as maintained by the city of Racine Wisconsin. I suppose SOME states have slightly different rules for what can and can't be done with a flag, but Federal Trumps State Trumps Municipal.
So feel free to pick through this list of laws and regulations for which parts are federal, state, or local and decide what is or isn't illegal in your state.
-Rachel-
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Hanging the US flag upside down or flying it backwards is not a criminal act. That's ridiculous.
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Yep, it's protected under a little thing called the First Amendment
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I think you underestimate our fools, sir.
Why /duel is a bad idea
Actually... You're right, mostly...
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Criminal penalties for certain acts of desecration to the flag were contained in Title 18 of the United States Code prior to 1989. The Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson; June 21, 1989, held the statute unconstitutional. This statute was amended when the Flag Protection Act of 1989 (Oct. 28, 1989) imposed a fine and/or up to I year in prison for knowingly mutilating, defacing, physically defiling, maintaining on the floor or trampling upon any flag of the United States. The Flag Protection Act of 1989 was struck down by the Supreme Court decision, United States vs. Eichman, decided on June 11, 1990.
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This code is the guide for all handling and display of the Stars and Stripes. It does not impose penalties for misuse of the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal government for the District of Columbia. Each state has its own flag law.
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It's not criminal. Though I've gotta ask: How much does that matter when we're talking about the flags of OTHER nations and -their- responses to them being used in game...?
And I'm sorry. I learned -my- Flag law from my Dad (Drill Sergeant) before 1990, so I was still under the impression that the criminal charges were still in effect.
-Rachel-
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Oh. For the record: This is a list of US Flag Laws and Regulations as maintained by the city of Racine Wisconsin. I suppose SOME states have slightly different rules for what can and can't be done with a flag, but Federal Trumps State Trumps Municipal.
So feel free to pick through this list of laws and regulations for which parts are federal, state, or local and decide what is or isn't illegal in your state.
-Rachel-
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Not a single thing on that list is enforceable in the United States. [Texas v. Johnson , 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990)] They're just guidelines about how Racine would like you to treat the flag. Those laws are still "on the books" only because nobody has been charged with them and appealed. Nobody has been charged because any convictions would be overturned on the first appeal gaining nothing more than a waste of time and money for everyone involved.
You can argue matters of taste and whether or not NCSoft should do it, but there are no legal reason not to have capes of any country.
And /signed to the idea. I'm jealous of Hero1.
Edit: Oops, you corrected yourself while I was posting.
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It's not criminal. Though I've gotta ask: How much does that matter when we're talking about the flags of OTHER nations and -their- responses to them being used in game...?
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Doesn't really matter. The only law that would apply would be US law for the servers in the US. (Are the Euro servers in a place that would make a difference?) I suppose some country that didn't like their flag being used could ban the game there. The only other alternative would be to somehow convince the State Department to extradite the development team to stand trial in the offended country.
Also, which countries are you worried about? I'd expect that most of the countries that would be so offended about what a game company is doing are countries that wouldn't know about it or have any players from there in the first place.
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Yes, IIRC the EU servers are in Scandanavia... I think.
And hey, we already have one possible national flag in game. >.>
How would you feel if I took your national flag down from a flagpole, threw it down on the ground and walked all over it? Or I shot several holes in it? Stuck my finger down my throat and vomited all over it? Put on a set of Kung Fu Tiger Claws, and ripped a bunch of holes in it? Took a knife and stabbed and ripped it several times? Burned it? Threw acid on it? Dumped a bunch of raw sewage on it? (Which would include human feces, among other things.)
You really have no problem with that?
Because if you wear it as a cape, that's just a few of the things that are going to happen to it.
If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
Respect for your country and for the flag that represents it includes NOT putting it in a situation where you know it will become soiled, torn, burnt, befouled or otherwise defaced. Wearing it as a cape would most certainly be putting it in such a situation.
Look up the colors and the flags of nations you want to have your characters come from, and use those within the costume creator to associate them with those countries. But if you wouldn't be comfortable seeing the flag of your own nation torn, burnt, soiled and defaced as a part of someone's costume, then you should extend the same courtesy to the flags of other nations.
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How would you feel if I took your national flag down from a flagpole, threw it down on the ground and walked all over it? Or I shot several holes in it? Stuck my finger down my throat and vomited all over it? Put on a set of Kung Fu Tiger Claws, and ripped a bunch of holes in it? Took a knife and stabbed and ripped it several times? Burned it? Threw acid on it? Dumped a bunch of raw sewage on it? (Which would include human feces, among other things.)
You really have no problem with that?
Because if you wear it as a cape, that's just a few of the things that are going to happen to it.
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I suppose if the game actually showed any sort of damage occuring to any article of clothing (or even them getting dirty) you might, possibly, in some way have a point.
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If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
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This thread may as well be locked. It's only going to go downhill from here. The "do it or you're unAmerican (or unCanadian, unWhatever)" is right up there was Godwin's Law for reasoning. I suppose the unacceptable answer would be that you feel that SCOTUS made the correct judgement 20 years ago. But agreeing with SCOTUS is unpatriotic.
"Mastermind Pets operate...differently, and aren't as easily fixed. Especially the Bruiser. I want to take him out behind the woodshed and pull an "old yeller" on him at times." - Castle
Actually I think he's viewing it from an in-character perspective... and I think he's right.
If I were Liberty Belle or some other All-American heroine I wouldn't want to dishonor the flag by wearing it or letting it get damaged.
I imagine Comrade Rossiskaya and Captain Nippon would feel the same way.
The only people who would wear them are the 'Nationalist' heroes and they'd NEVER wear them for risk of the flag getting damaged or desecrated.
.... and that makes sense to me.
-Rachel-
A picture from the Broadway show Hair.
A photo of Jon Bon Jovi
Eval Knieval, Jr.
Wonder Woman
Mick Jagger
Protests and protest marches.
Rocky
I don't really see a problem with it.
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How would you feel if I took your national flag down from a flagpole, threw it down on the ground and walked all over it? Or I shot several holes in it? Stuck my finger down my throat and vomited all over it? Put on a set of Kung Fu Tiger Claws, and ripped a bunch of holes in it? Took a knife and stabbed and ripped it several times? Burned it? Threw acid on it? Dumped a bunch of raw sewage on it? (Which would include human feces, among other things.)
You really have no problem with that?
Because if you wear it as a cape, that's just a few of the things that are going to happen to it.
If you really have no objection to defacing the flag of your country that way, what kind of message are you really sending about how you feel about your country?
Respect for your country and for the flag that represents it includes NOT putting it in a situation where you know it will become soiled, torn, burnt, befouled or otherwise defaced. Wearing it as a cape would most certainly be putting it in such a situation.
Look up the colors and the flags of nations you want to have your characters come from, and use those within the costume creator to associate them with those countries. But if you wouldn't be comfortable seeing the flag of your own nation torn, burnt, soiled and defaced as a part of someone's costume, then you should extend the same courtesy to the flags of other nations.
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Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin
Having respect for a symbol is not the same as having respect for your country and your way of life.
Rachelthulu: I dislike the idea of limiting costume pieces of any type because someone is unable to justify their use for RP reasons. There's plenty of costume pieces I've never used and can't imagine ever using. Should they be removed? Like I said, it's not as if any article of clothing is ever shown being damaged or dirty no matter how many battles you're in or how much time you spend in the sewer. Is it so hard to imagine a comic book world where a character has clothes that are never stained? Or that there is some sort of skintight forcefield keeping everything off the flag? You can describe it however you feel like. RP is something that is wide open for everyone on both sides of this suggestion.
No need to go outside the game's own lore to find characters with flag capes. Hero1 had one.
"Mastermind Pets operate...differently, and aren't as easily fixed. Especially the Bruiser. I want to take him out behind the woodshed and pull an "old yeller" on him at times." - Castle
Oh! I agree fully! I think the Pirate Hooks, for example, are patently silly for a superhero game!
Doesn't mean I want the costume options limited.
And if you'll scroll up to my first post in this discussion: I'm all in for the idea!
Just a little cautious over how other countries might be upset by players wearing their flags in a game. Could lead to some nifty backlash.
-Rachel-
My mistake. I did gloss over your first post.
I will agree to disagree with you about the potential for backlash and instead embrace our agreement that this would be good.
"Mastermind Pets operate...differently, and aren't as easily fixed. Especially the Bruiser. I want to take him out behind the woodshed and pull an "old yeller" on him at times." - Castle
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Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin
Having respect for a symbol is not the same as having respect for your country and your way of life.
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That's one of the few places that Carlin missed the target. Man IS a symbol minded creature. Symbols have always held immense power, throughout human history, and still do today. We all equate the symbol with its target, and can only disassociate the two on an intellectual level. At the gut level, we respond to an assault on the symbol the same as we would to an assault on its target.
When I read the original post, my kneejerk reaction was "No frikkin' way!" Then I had to analyze why I felt so strongly about it. (I try to do that with all my kneejerk reactions.) And my post was the reasons I uncovered. In a world with superheroes, wearing a flag as a cape would mean it would get dragged in the dirt, covered in various vile, disgusting things, and damaged frequently. Even if it's made from some kind of super-fabric so it doesn't take physical damage, the rest would still happen. And putting ANY flag in that situation is simply not respectful, to the flag, or to its target.
Sure, the game engine doesn't currently show dirt, soil, or damage, but do you really want to see your flag dangling in sewer effluent? Getting puked on by Vazhilok? The game CAN show those.
I did a search for them and found nothing, so here I go.
I would like to see cape details/options in the fashion of country flags. On many of my characters, I like to give them an origin of a real world location (i.e. Spain, Russia, Pakistan, etc). Plus, I like to build off that he/she was a well known hero/villain in said area and has now moved to Paragon City/Rogue Isles. And, even though the hero/villain has left his homeland, he/she still represents his/her place of origin with a cape in the fashion of the country's flag.
Plus, these capes are in the game already. The US flag on top of Atlas city hall was made from Statesman's cape (granted, Statesman does not wear a US flag as his cape) and Hero 1's cape is the flag of England.
Thoughts?
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