PFF, elude or SR , which is overpowered the most?

ConFlict · 03-11-2009 04:40 PM

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All i know is that since I13 came out it seems everyone has been hitting through the PFF alot easier. Is it just me?...Could be...However I think we all got a little off topic here...I'm not denying PFF's superior protection. All I'm saying is that in terms of PVP...Anyone who pops pff isn't going to dominate the battle field...In terms of "PVP" Elude is by far a greater PVP threat,

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Yes, its just you. And on the pffers won't dominate, you are wrong, again.....

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Necromatic · 03-11-2009 04:44 PM

Autohit powers do not hurt hibernated or phased opponents. This is another drawback on pff. BTW, I have killed people in pff. They had almost no health left (the main pff trigger), and went pff. Then I fire off my -regen autohit power, AIM and hope for the best. Usually they stick around thinking they are safe. Also, ranged toggles affect pff'd foes, so that interrupts aid self nicely.

Not saying pff>hibernate or phase, they all have their downsides. A hibernated foe needs to escape after hibernate. A phased foe needs to base run to really get out of danger.

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macskull · 03-11-2009 04:45 PM

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All i know is that since I13 came out it seems everyone has been hitting through the PFF alot easier. Is it just me?...Could be...However I think we all got a little off topic here...I'm not denying PFF's superior protection. All I'm saying is that in terms of PVP...Anyone who pops pff isn't going to dominate the battle field...In terms of "PVP" Elude is by far a greater PVP threat,

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Lemme know when PFF has a 2-minute suppression period and a force detoggle. Until then, it's broken.

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ConFlict · 03-11-2009 04:52 PM

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BTW, I have killed people in pff. They had almost no health left (the main pff trigger), and went pff. Then I fire off my -regen autohit power, AIM and hope for the best.

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Pretty sure I covered that earlier.

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The only real way to die in pff is hit it really really late and have a really really bad streak catch up to you.

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Yup, I did.

Not sure how anyone can even come up with an argument that pff isn't > anything the way it is now.

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Gravix1224 · 03-11-2009 04:56 PM

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All i know is that since I13 came out it seems everyone has been hitting through the PFF alot easier. Is it just me?...Could be...However I think we all got a little off topic here...I'm not denying PFF's superior protection. All I'm saying is that in terms of PVP...Anyone who pops pff isn't going to dominate the battle field...In terms of "PVP" Elude is by far a greater PVP threat,

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Yes, its just you. And on the pffers won't dominate, you are wrong, again.....

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If you honestly believe PFFers dominate the battle field, then you need to re-evaluate your pvp skills...

ConFlict · 03-11-2009 05:03 PM

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All i know is that since I13 came out it seems everyone has been hitting through the PFF alot easier. Is it just me?...Could be...However I think we all got a little off topic here...I'm not denying PFF's superior protection. All I'm saying is that in terms of PVP...Anyone who pops pff isn't going to dominate the battle field...In terms of "PVP" Elude is by far a greater PVP threat,

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Yes, its just you. And on the pffers won't dominate, you are wrong, again.....

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If you honestly believe PFFers dominate the battle field, then you need to re-evaluate your pvp skills...

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Seeing I know the server you play on, just hit up Dream Crusher or Solo One or Mercury Down. I am pretty sure they can show how under powered toons with pff can be.

And lol @ u telling me to reevaluate my pvp skills.

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Gravix1224 · 03-11-2009 05:20 PM

Are you saying I should fight them?...depends on their build....sometimes certain builds can't beat others no matter what...But I assure you, if I lose 1v1 it's because it's just not in the cards for me to conquer that build with my own or I got careless (Which I think happens to all of us at times)

And yes I honestly do think you need to re-evaluate your pvp if you think pffers are this "HUGE" threat....Can't say I know anyone who killed anybody while their pff was up...

ConFlict · 03-11-2009 05:31 PM

2 of them are psy// pff blasters, the other has a very good ice//pff. And if you lose a duel its because you actually came out of pff. And if you can kill a good dueler with a pff/aidself build on a blaster I will call the 50 mil you owe me even.

Also I do believe my record vs you in the arena is 3-0 my advantage, And the combined score in the neighborhood of 30ish to 1 in kills. So when you catch up to me in terms of skill I will worry about you thinking I need to reevaluate my skills. And as to your mad zone skills of pff creeping with singy and heavy in tow, and adding phase and aid self in is not nearly as impressive as you seem to think it is.

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Necromatic · 03-11-2009 05:43 PM

I rather have psi/ addressed before pff.

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ConFlict · 03-11-2009 05:48 PM

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I rather have psi/ addressed before pff.

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both at once will be even better.

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macskull · 03-11-2009 05:49 PM

Unresisted TK blast has been fixed according to rumors.

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Gravix1224 · 03-11-2009 06:11 PM

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2 of them are psy// pff blasters, the other has a very good ice//pff. And if you lose a duel its because you actually came out of pff. And if you can kill a good dueler with a pff/aidself build on a blaster I will call the 50 mil you owe me even.

Also I do believe my record vs you in the arena is 3-0 my advantage, And the combined score in the neighborhood of 30ish to 1 in kills. So when you catch up to me in terms of skill I will worry about you thinking I need to reevaluate my skills. And as to your mad zone skills of pff creeping with singy and heavy in tow, and adding phase and aid self in is not nearly as impressive as you seem to think it is.

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First off lets get a few things straight...IS PFF nerfed?
No it's not..therfore I owe you nothing

Secondly I rarely use pff in duels...I use it for 3 reasons...When I am near death, If I'm getting ganked, or if someone is trying to stealth me. I.E. stalker...

Lastly I don't remember fighting you, but if I did fight you and you did beat me, then it just further proves pff should be left as is.

macskull · 03-11-2009 09:21 PM

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First off lets get a few things straight...IS PFF nerfed?
No it's not..therfore I owe you nothing

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I14's not open or live yet, champ.

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Lastly I don't remember fighting you, but if I did fight you and you did beat me, then it just further proves pff should be left as is.

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Or he's better than you and you don't have much of a grasp on actual PvP mechanics. I'm leaning toward the second one. If you have PFF and lose a duel there's something wrong with you.

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Alpha_Zulu · 03-11-2009 09:33 PM

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Lastly I don't remember fighting you, but if I did fight you and you did beat me, then it just further proves pff should be left as is.

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So you're saying if you LOST while using an overpowered power, then PFF needs to stay as is?

God you must be terribad and have a HORRIBLE grasp of pvp mechanics to think this.

It's [censored] broke, you just don't want to admit it. Coming on here defending it just shows how much more ignorant you are and how bad you really are at pvp.

Z_e_r_o_NA · 03-11-2009 11:59 PM

lol... it's extremely funny people calling SR overpowered if you compare it to a couple of years ago even before IOs when SR was almost useless on PvP, so it was a must to get Phase and Aidself.

"OMG! a SR scrappy, KILL IT!"

Even Elude was ridiculous, fort, forge, sloted tactics or anything like that, Elude was useless. Have you tried to duel a Brute with stacked rage on your SR scrapper long ago?

NOW PFF is something we have to look at, it's overpowered yes, hey wait.. it's PvP...

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UltimaDR · 03-12-2009 12:35 AM

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And yes I honestly do think you need to re-evaluate your pvp if you think pffers are this "HUGE" threat....Can't say I know anyone who killed anybody while their pff was up...

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Wrong...i have seen many people killed by people in pff...its called being killed by a stupid heavy they have as a pet, therefore that statement is wrong

P.S. PFF is op'ed because i have killed people in elude, and people that pop phase and hibernate already but in pff its almost impossible.

Due to no toggle drops outside of complete end drain PFF is ridiculously op'ed atm

Aumakua · 03-12-2009 09:44 AM

PFF is crap....People just run around in it in the pvp zones with a heavy(RV). They need to put it on a timer just like phase and hibernate with a No Phase time limit also.

I dont have to much of a problem with SR. They are still hittable and die.

Elude is the problem... They should make elude have the same time limits as Strength of Will and make it unslottable with recharge. Also while in Elude your toggle defense doesent work while in the tier 9 so it wont stack and make the player unkillable.

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ConFlict · 03-12-2009 10:30 AM

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Elude is the problem... They should make elude have the same time limits as Strength of Will and make it unslottable with recharge. Also while in Elude your toggle defense doesent work while in the tier 9 so it wont stack and make the player unkillable.

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Those are some pretty horrible ideas.

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Supermax · 03-12-2009 10:37 AM

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If you honestly believe PFFers dominate the battle field, then you need to re-evaluate your pvp skills...

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I have to admit: That is very funny.

Big_Soto · 03-12-2009 10:37 AM

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Elude is the problem... They should make elude have the same time limits as Strength of Will and make it unslottable with recharge. Also while in Elude your toggle defense doesent work while in the tier 9 so it wont stack and make the player unkillable.

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Those are some pretty horrible ideas.

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Yeah it is.... they should do it

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Waste Breaker · 03-17-2009 10:00 AM

I dunno..ever since i13, anytime i have tried to use PFF to get out of a situation.. they always seem to be able to attack me through it... It may buy me a few seconds or take a few extra attacks to hit me..but its never made me untouchable in PvP.

_Azura · 03-17-2009 10:20 AM

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I dunno..ever since i14, anytime i have tried to use PFF to get out of a situation.. they always seem to be able to attack me through it... It may buy me a few seconds or take a few extra attacks to hit me..but its never made me untouchable in PvP.

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Waste Breaker · 03-17-2009 11:23 AM

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NDA BREAK NDA BREAK

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HUH?

Snappin_Turtle · 03-17-2009 11:25 AM

We are in issue 13

You said since issue 14

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Your head --------

Just messin

Waste Breaker · 03-17-2009 01:45 PM

oops.. ment i13.. sorry about that