PFF, elude or SR , which is overpowered the most?
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Posted on: 2009-03-10 13:35 in Everything about PvP
lol @ arguing with people that have access to the changes before you do, gg gravix.
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PFF players can attack other PFF players.
Yea lol xD
Elude is strong but the countermeasures are at least somewhat within reason and spread across a wide range of powers, sets and ATs. One can argue whether it's balanced properly but it's definitely not broken to the point of being retarded.
PFF = retarded.
what's a countermeasure to elude besides pff and run like a [censored]?
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PFF = retarded
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All this time I thought PFF = Personal Force Field
This explains so much about what is wrong with me
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what's a countermeasure to elude besides pff and run like a [censored]?
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Well elude isn't quite as much god mode as PFF. PFF is almost double elusivity compared to a defense set.
Elude can still be hit through by specific builds. Against PFF, nobody has even a slight chance. On top of that, it also has the very respectable +res to everything.
IMO a power is only Broken if it allows me to pwn you while being untouchable...PFF simply does not fit in this category.
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I stopped reading there.
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what's a countermeasure to elude besides pff and run like a [censored]?
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Well elude isn't quite as much god mode as PFF. PFF is almost double elusivity compared to a defense set.
Elude can still be hit through by specific builds. Against PFF, nobody has even a slight chance. On top of that, it also has the very respectable +res to everything.
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only in certain builds.
i proved to forst markins that pff wasn't gonna save his [censored] after killing him 3 times in 2 minutes (full hp to 0 hp) while in pff.
How did you do that? Because I've seen a full team of people attacking 1 dom in RV (we were all bored and it was the only vil in the zone) for about 30 mins straight. All he needed to survive was an aid self about once a minute.
Did frost just stand there without taking any action while you killed him?
he was trying to talk trash mid arena match.
i was playing my fire/elec. no tactics. 75% acc bonus or something like that.
i roll 20% against pretty much every single hero pvp pff build i've ever encountered as long as i have bu or FoN on. otherwise, a cool 15% is usual.
the kicker is the stacking of pff on top of scorpion shield and badly built toons.
to put it this way, the first few weeks of i13, when there were still really well built good players around, i ended up switching out of my dom after two kickball matches because pff was getting run through constantly (i counted 3 deaths while in pre-spike pff).
I still don't get it. How could you kill someone 3 times in 2 minutes with a 15-20% chance of hitting them on every shot? Considering you'd need to hit him several times per kill, and you're only landing 2 out of 10 shots.
Did you just get more lucky than you ever have in your life or something?
That actually brings up an interesting point. There have been times when I was in PFF, but it seemingly did nothing. Don't know how to explain it, but I think Jimmay has also run into it on his bubbler, so maybe he can confirm. Like, I'm sitting there, nobody can hit me at all. Then some person comes and hits me with like 8 attacks IN A ROW. Considering the numbers, that is basically mathematically impossible. Then other times, that same person can't hit me at all. This has happened on several occasions. People that can't hit me at all suddenly landing 2 full attack chains of attacks...in a row.
Before I13, we could just assume that he popped a full tray of yellows, or FoN....but now because of DR, that's not an option. Popping 20 yellows is no different than popping 2.
I don't know....I guess this game is just a bigger bugfest than we all realize.
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I still don't get it. How could you kill someone 3 times in 2 minutes with a 15-20% chance of hitting them on every shot? Considering you'd need to hit him several times per kill, and you're only landing 2 out of 10 shots.
Did you just get more lucky than you ever have in your life or something?
That actually brings up an interesting point. There have been times when I was in PFF, but it seemingly did nothing. Don't know how to explain it, but I think Jimmay has also run into it on his bubbler, so maybe he can confirm. Like, I'm sitting there, nobody can hit me at all. Then some person comes and hits me with like 8 attacks IN A ROW. Considering the numbers, that is basically mathematically impossible. Then other times, that same person can't hit me at all. This has happened on several occasions. People that can't hit me at all suddenly landing 2 full attack chains of attacks...in a row.
Before I13, we could just assume that he popped a full tray of yellows, or FoN....but now because of DR, that's not an option. Popping 20 yellows is no different than popping 2.
I don't know....I guess this game is just a bigger bugfest than we all realize.
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I've had that happen to me on numerous occasions
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I still don't get it. How could you kill someone 3 times in 2 minutes with a 15-20% chance of hitting them on every shot? Considering you'd need to hit him several times per kill, and you're only landing 2 out of 10 shots.
Did you just get more lucky than you ever have in your life or something?
That actually brings up an interesting point. There have been times when I was in PFF, but it seemingly did nothing. Don't know how to explain it, but I think Jimmay has also run into it on his bubbler, so maybe he can confirm. Like, I'm sitting there, nobody can hit me at all. Then some person comes and hits me with like 8 attacks IN A ROW. Considering the numbers, that is basically mathematically impossible. Then other times, that same person can't hit me at all. This has happened on several occasions. People that can't hit me at all suddenly landing 2 full attack chains of attacks...in a row.
Before I13, we could just assume that he popped a full tray of yellows, or FoN....but now because of DR, that's not an option. Popping 20 yellows is no different than popping 2.
I don't know....I guess this game is just a bigger bugfest than we all realize.
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well basically if i hit with TS or havoc punch that's 400 hp off.
then i concentrate on fast animating attacks, over and over and over, and it works out pretty ok.
it only works on that toon though, the acc bonus is what makes it possible.
i do remember rolling 40's against him though.. but he's really bad.
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I still don't get it. How could you kill someone 3 times in 2 minutes with a 15-20% chance of hitting them on every shot? Considering you'd need to hit him several times per kill, and you're only landing 2 out of 10 shots.
Did you just get more lucky than you ever have in your life or something?
That actually brings up an interesting point. There have been times when I was in PFF, but it seemingly did nothing. Don't know how to explain it, but I think Jimmay has also run into it on his bubbler, so maybe he can confirm. Like, I'm sitting there, nobody can hit me at all. Then some person comes and hits me with like 8 attacks IN A ROW. Considering the numbers, that is basically mathematically impossible. Then other times, that same person can't hit me at all. This has happened on several occasions. People that can't hit me at all suddenly landing 2 full attack chains of attacks...in a row.
Before I13, we could just assume that he popped a full tray of yellows, or FoN....but now because of DR, that's not an option. Popping 20 yellows is no different than popping 2.
I don't know....I guess this game is just a bigger bugfest than we all realize.
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I've had that happen to me on numerous occasions
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Not monitoring your hit rolls, eh? Random number generator is random.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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I still don't get it. How could you kill someone 3 times in 2 minutes with a 15-20% chance of hitting them on every shot? Considering you'd need to hit him several times per kill, and you're only landing 2 out of 10 shots.
Did you just get more lucky than you ever have in your life or something?
That actually brings up an interesting point. There have been times when I was in PFF, but it seemingly did nothing. Don't know how to explain it, but I think Jimmay has also run into it on his bubbler, so maybe he can confirm. Like, I'm sitting there, nobody can hit me at all. Then some person comes and hits me with like 8 attacks IN A ROW. Considering the numbers, that is basically mathematically impossible. Then other times, that same person can't hit me at all. This has happened on several occasions. People that can't hit me at all suddenly landing 2 full attack chains of attacks...in a row.
Before I13, we could just assume that he popped a full tray of yellows, or FoN....but now because of DR, that's not an option. Popping 20 yellows is no different than popping 2.
I don't know....I guess this game is just a bigger bugfest than we all realize.
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I've had that happen to me on numerous occasions
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Not monitoring your hit rolls, eh? Random number generator is random.
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Just sayin
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I still don't get it. How could you kill someone 3 times in 2 minutes with a 15-20% chance of hitting them on every shot? Considering you'd need to hit him several times per kill, and you're only landing 2 out of 10 shots.
Did you just get more lucky than you ever have in your life or something?
That actually brings up an interesting point. There have been times when I was in PFF, but it seemingly did nothing. Don't know how to explain it, but I think Jimmay has also run into it on his bubbler, so maybe he can confirm. Like, I'm sitting there, nobody can hit me at all. Then some person comes and hits me with like 8 attacks IN A ROW. Considering the numbers, that is basically mathematically impossible. Then other times, that same person can't hit me at all. This has happened on several occasions. People that can't hit me at all suddenly landing 2 full attack chains of attacks...in a row.
Before I13, we could just assume that he popped a full tray of yellows, or FoN....but now because of DR, that's not an option. Popping 20 yellows is no different than popping 2.
I don't know....I guess this game is just a bigger bugfest than we all realize.
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I've had that happen to me on numerous occasions
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Not monitoring your hit rolls, eh? Random number generator is random.
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Just sayin
[/ QUOTE ].2^3, which is around what you'd need to get three attacks in a row, is .008. Keeps getting smaller as you land another attack in a row by the same factor. That happening is what we like to call "a statistical improbability."
Well, I've been hit by a blaster 5 times in a row when he had only 20 something percent chance to hit. Pissed me off.
Other times, I've seen an alternating low then high percent chance to hit (not proc chances), not sure whats up there.
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The whole fact that your tohit % fluctuates with every shot is enough cause to think something is [censored]. I mean you have the same acc with every shot....and the target has the same exact defense and elusivity. Why the hell does the tohit % jump around from 40% to 47% to 42% to 45% etc? 
Cause that's balance, brah.
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what's a countermeasure to elude besides pff and run like a [censored]?
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Debuffs can bring you hit rolls at least out of "don't bother" territory against elude.
I've never seen a roll with more than a 7 or 8 percent chance against even a heavily debuffed dom in pff.
My fort regularly rolls in the 12-18% chance range against PFF blasters in RV, I still can't kill them though, as I've never been able to hit them more than twice in a row (and that only happens rarely).
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that even after the so called PFF nerf. People will still find a way to complain about it in pvp.
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First off lets get a few things straight...IS PFF nerfed?
No it's not..therfore I owe you nothing
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Sunstorm
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Elusivity:
Overall we like that Defense Armors are a strong contender in PVP currently, however it appears to be a little on the overpowered side. We've adjusted the amount of elusivity down on melee armors and on Personal Force Field . We are adjusting this carefully since the elusivity bonus is intended to keep Aim, Build-up, or To-Hit bonus from negating defense armors.
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