Windows 7 and City of Heroes
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Posted on: 2009-01-11 08:37 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Yeah, so far it handles like a decent feeling Vista install. No real complaints although no advantages except some bug fixes on my current setup.
They're gunna charge though for the release version of Microsoft right?
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Yeah, so far it handles like a decent feeling Vista install. No real complaints although no advantages except some bug fixes on my current setup.
[/ QUOTE ]This is exactly what I was going to post yesterday. I finally got build 7000 installed. CoX will run for me its just the screen rolls so I cant play like that. I think once I sort out the picture issue it will run fine. My guess is its driver related. I will try newer nvidia drivers to see if it help. In the meantime I want to request everyone to test windows 7 if you have the chance, especially the vista haters who never actually tried vista. So that they can see that the difference is not going to be as big as they think its going to be. Download it on the link provided. You dont need an actual technet account to sign up for it, just windows live or hotmail will work fine to get in. They will give you a cd key and 2 ISOs to choose from to download windows 7.
Small Edit: I went to windows update instead of nvidia for the current windows 7 drivers now the game works fine.
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I'm running Windows 7 (build.7000) with an nVidia 8600GT with the unreleased 185.x drivers from nVidia. You can find them on Google. Windows 7 blows Vista (and even XP) out of the water in terms of speed.
If the benchmarks thus far are any indication of where Windows 7 is headed, it will definitely be the next XP. I think Microsoft glued the ball to their hand this time.
We'll see....
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I'm running Windows 7 (build.7000) with an nVidia 8600GT with the unreleased 185.x drivers from nVidia. You can find them on Google. Windows 7 blows Vista (and even XP) out of the water in terms of speed.
If the benchmarks thus far are any indication of where Windows 7 is headed, it will definitely be the next XP. I think Microsoft glued the ball to their hand this time.
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Pretty much everything I've read about Vista suggests that it was a "half-finished" attempt at what Windows 7 is supposed to be. In other words Windows 7 was always the main goal but they realized it was going to take so long to complete that they released Vista as a sort of "placeholder" OS until the "real" OS was finally done. We can only hope that it will work out like that. 
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I've got 7 installed on a second HD and the ati drivers appear to be a mess in relation to playing CoX, no shader controls and when I try to turn on FSAA the screen whites out completely. Other than that Windows 7 seems great.
So what happens exactly when release comes out? We spend a couple hundred (for a CD Key) or do we get to keep their CDs and require an update upon release? Also, according to Sun they send CDs... so does this mean I can get a 64-bit version?
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Yeah, so far it handles like a decent feeling Vista install. No real complaints although no advantages except some bug fixes on my current setup.
[/ QUOTE ]This is exactly what I was going to post yesterday. I finally got build 7000 installed. CoX will run for me its just the screen rolls so I cant play like that. I think once I sort out the picture issue it will run fine. My guess is its driver related. I will try newer nvidia drivers to see if it help. In the meantime I want to request everyone to test windows 7 if you have the chance, especially the vista haters who never actually tried vista. So that they can see that the difference is not going to be as big as they think its going to be. Download it on the link provided. You dont need an actual technet account to sign up for it, just windows live or hotmail will work fine to get in. They will give you a cd key and 2 ISOs to choose from to download windows 7.
Small Edit: I went to windows update instead of nvidia for the current windows 7 drivers now the game works fine.
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I'm going to wait until I hear how the beta (and release versions) work on a large sample of machines before I take the plunge from XP. I don't generally put alpha or beta software on my machine (especially an OS) unless I have an interest or necessity in that software, and I have neither for Windows. That being said, if Windows 7 shapes up as nicely as people have been saying (and admittedly I'm mostly indifferent about it, which for Windows is a good thing), I will probably be giving the final release a go, so long as I can upgrade my existing XP install. If it requires a clean install to work well, then I see no reason to upgrade.
On an amusing side note, I installed Vista on an older (about 5 years old) machine the other night. I figured if IE7 crashed every time it tried to load a page, on a clean install of Vista on a freshly-wiped drive, I'd be better off sticking with XP. I might use that older machine to try the W7 beta because I've heard it runs well on older hardware.
EDIT: Yikes, they want sixteen gigabytes of disk space!? There'd better be a hell of a lot of worthwhile stuff to make that sixteen gigs a necessity...
ALSO EDIT: You can't download the ISO using Firefox. I guess if they want to keep potential customers out of the fold, that's their issue.
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So what happens exactly when release comes out? We spend a couple hundred (for a CD Key) or do we get to keep their CDs and require an update upon release? Also, according to Sun they send CDs... so does this mean I can get a 64-bit version?
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Um...
It's a beta. The beta expires August 30. The code will change between beta and release.
Yes, you'll have to actually buy the OS when it's released.
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So what happens exactly when release comes out? We spend a couple hundred (for a CD Key) or do we get to keep their CDs and require an update upon release? Also, according to Sun they send CDs... so does this mean I can get a 64-bit version?
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Um...
It's a beta. The beta expires August 30. The code will change between beta and release.
Yes, you'll have to actually buy the OS when it's released.
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Well hopefully they wont charge $200 and allow Vista to get strait to 7 for a low price. Much like going from Vista Basic to Vista Home Premium but August still long ways away.
They call that an "Upgrade edition," and they've always had them.
You won't be getting that from going from beta to final, though.
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I'm running Windows 7 (build.7000) with an nVidia 8600GT with the unreleased 185.x drivers from nVidia. You can find them on Google. Windows 7 blows Vista (and even XP) out of the water in terms of speed.
If the benchmarks thus far are any indication of where Windows 7 is headed, it will definitely be the next XP. I think Microsoft glued the ball to their hand this time.
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Pretty much everything I've read about Vista suggests that it was a "half-finished" attempt at what Windows 7 is supposed to be. In other words Windows 7 was always the main goal but they realized it was going to take so long to complete that they released Vista as a sort of "placeholder" OS until the "real" OS was finally done. We can only hope that it will work out like that.
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I have not seen any evidence of an actual plan like the above, its much more likely they just plain bleeped up Vista and now are scrambling like mad to 'fix it' with Windows 7.
Its about time they paid more attention to the end user instead of the corporate interests like the effort put into DRM etc, no wonder they are scrambling, after losing ~10+% desktop market share in the last few years and more in the IT/Server market, indicators are that they are going to trim up to 17% of their workforce this month as well.
A new version of a working OS has to be faster, more reliable, easier to use, more secure, and prettier. They failed on most if not all of those with Vista depending on your perspective.
All that being said I still predict MS will share a huge chunk of the desktop market in the future, they are having a tough time competing with even the more expensive Mac let alone the free Linux desktop OS/software available now.
PS: There is a Slashdot thread with direct download links and all 5 keys posted that works in Firefox.
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PS: There is a Slashdot thread with direct download links and all 5 keys posted that works in Firefox.
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Thanks for the heads-up, the direct download is substantially faster than the downloader app Microsoft has you use.
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How fast is it?
I'm using the MS downloader and I'm getting about 800KB/sec...
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That is a fast rate, your download will finish in 1-2 hours, don't worry about it, its a waste of time to switch now.
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That is a fast rate, your download will finish in 1-2 hours, don't worry about it, its a waste of time to switch now.
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Oh, I wasn't going to restart...3/4 of a meg a second? That's too good to pass up
I was just curious on the speed of the direct download (and it didn't like chrome either...stewpid M$)
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So what happens exactly when release comes out? We spend a couple hundred (for a CD Key) or do we get to keep their CDs and require an update upon release? Also, according to Sun they send CDs... so does this mean I can get a 64-bit version?
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Um...
It's a beta. The beta expires August 30. The code will change between beta and release.
Yes, you'll have to actually buy the OS when it's released.
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Well hopefully they wont charge $200 and allow Vista to get strait to 7 for a low price. Much like going from Vista Basic to Vista Home Premium but August still long ways away.
[/ QUOTE ]As the others have said you will have to buy the full version. Fear not on the price of the newer OS I will be on the look out for any free deals and I will let you guys know what I find. If worse comes to worse you just buy an upgrade edition. If its anything like the vista upgrade then it is entirely possible to do a full install with the upgrade key.
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Downloaded the 32bit ISO today but haven't burnt or installed it yet.
As I haven't heard of any radical improvements over vista, I don't have high hopes, but just as with vista, I'll run the beta for a while to see what's what.
Be well, people of CoH.
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How fast is it?
I'm using the MS downloader and I'm getting about 800KB/sec...
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I was getting roughly 100-150k/sec via the MS downloader, compared to 250-350k/sec via the direct download. Internet usage didn't change between the two tries.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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They call that an "Upgrade edition," and they've always had them.
You won't be getting that from going from beta to final, though.
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No but what I mean is I have Vista Premium so if I could get a Microsoft 7 for an upgrade that would be sweet.... Buuuut I have 32bit unfortunately and still doubt I'd be able to upgrade to 7 64-bit =/
Sorry I tend to be off in my own little worlds sometimes 
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So what happens exactly when release comes out? We spend a couple hundred (for a CD Key) or do we get to keep their CDs and require an update upon release? Also, according to Sun they send CDs... so does this mean I can get a 64-bit version?
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Um...
It's a beta. The beta expires August 30. The code will change between beta and release.
Yes, you'll have to actually buy the OS when it's released.
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Well hopefully they wont charge $200 and allow Vista to get strait to 7 for a low price. Much like going from Vista Basic to Vista Home Premium but August still long ways away.
[/ QUOTE ]As the others have said you will have to buy the full version. Fear not on the price of the newer OS I will be on the look out for any free deals and I will let you guys know what I find. If worse comes to worse you just buy an upgrade edition. If its anything like the vista upgrade then it is entirely possible to do a full install with the upgrade key.
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And considering it's virtually the same OS... I don't see it impossible to see an upgrade edition from Vista to 7. But who knows already am I smelling scam due to the fact they're the same and we'll be paying anyways upgrade or not >_<
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Downloaded the 32bit ISO today but haven't burnt or installed it yet.
As I haven't heard of any radical improvements over vista, I don't have high hopes, but just as with vista, I'll run the beta for a while to see what's what.
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You need to pay more attention to the news There are benchmarks popping up that show it's a vast improvement over Vista and comes up above XP as well. That's pretty radical
We'll see....
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I'm running Windows 7 (build.7000) with an nVidia 8600GT with the unreleased 185.x drivers from nVidia. You can find them on Google. Windows 7 blows Vista (and even XP) out of the water in terms of speed.
If the benchmarks thus far are any indication of where Windows 7 is headed, it will definitely be the next XP. I think Microsoft glued the ball to their hand this time.
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Pretty much everything I've read about Vista suggests that it was a "half-finished" attempt at what Windows 7 is supposed to be. In other words Windows 7 was always the main goal but they realized it was going to take so long to complete that they released Vista as a sort of "placeholder" OS until the "real" OS was finally done. We can only hope that it will work out like that.
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I have not seen any evidence of an actual plan like the above, its much more likely they just plain bleeped up Vista and now are scrambling like mad to 'fix it' with Windows 7.
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That was kind of my point. I don't think years ago the guys at MS sat down and "planned" for Vista to be a half-finished OS that many people didn't like.
The point was that as their work grinded on they started realizing their goal (what will now become Windows 7) was so far in the future that they decided to throw Vista at us as a stopgap meaure knowing full well that it wasn't really what they had in mind. Remember that many of the features we are finally getting in Window 7 were originally advertised for Vista years ago.
The expectations for Vista got downgraded to become the lameduck bridge between XP and Windows 7.
That's why I never wasted much time with it because I knew MS didn't really take it too seriously themselves.
They were just hoping enough people would buy it to keep making some money while they worked.
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The point was that as their work grinded on they started realizing their goal (what will now become Windows 7) was so far in the future that they decided to throw Vista at us as a stopgap meaure knowing full well that it wasn't really what they had in mind. Remember that many of the features we are finally getting in Window 7 were originally advertised for Vista years ago.
The expectations for Vista got downgraded to become the lameduck bridge between XP and Windows 7.
That's why I never wasted much time with it because I knew MS didn't really take it too seriously themselves.
They were just hoping enough people would buy it to keep making some money while they worked.
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Ah very good, I saw it the same way, once I started seeing the various feature deliverables being scratched off the list, I pretty much wrote it off then, but would have still considered it if it was faster etc etc, but it wasn't.
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The point was that as their work grinded on they started realizing their goal (what will now become Windows 7) was so far in the future that they decided to throw Vista at us as a stopgap meaure knowing full well that it wasn't really what they had in mind. Remember that many of the features we are finally getting in Window 7 were originally advertised for Vista years ago.
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I can't help but disagree. Sure Microsoft isn't as user friendly as they come across but releasing Vista just to stall the community so they could make a finished product, is a bit on the extreme side of paranoia for the programming industry. I still see it as them realizing their "something different" product wasn't delivering what they originally intended and so made their way onto a product, a hybrid version of the original, that would hopefully correct what they were seeing Vista doing wrong.
Vista always was a gamble because you weren't taking a IP from anything else before hand and tweaking it. Sort of like XP to ME, not exactly the same but they both shared similarities. Vista had no predecessor and so in delivering something different, Microsoft was taking a chance. Judging by how the users reacted to this new product, was what I feel encouraged the "revamp".
For Players Interested
I am running 64bit version of windows 7 and coh runs just fine except still needing -compaticlecursors on the shortcut
no need to run compatibility mode etc , it is running a lot smoother then on vista 32bit.
Infact what i thought was lag in vista may not be whenever i killed something it would pause and i would have to wait for it to catchup (seemed like a lag spike) this isnt occuring in windows 7 and i now think it has something to do with the physx as they fall normally.