In-Testing: Task / Strike Force and Trial Missions
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1_800_Spines,
Posted on: 2008-02-26 15:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?
I'd rather have a revamped Positron.
Old, broken content should be fixed or removed, not left out to fester where everyone can see it, no matter how much shiny new stuff is propped up next to it.
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Fix Posi TF
Siberian Spring-50 (Cold/Rad, Rad/Ice, Ice/Rad, Sh/Ice) - KGB SS8
Chernozem-50 (Ice/MM, Emp/Ice, MA/Regen) - KGB SS8
Wila-50 (Dark/Arch) - KGB SS8
Also: Krassivy Mechtayu-50 (Ill/Rad) - KGB SS8; Ms. Hypatia-50 (Dark/Regen)
Posi TF isn't as great as others but it's also not a 400 lb rotting corpse left out in the streets of South Carolina during July.
Some of those are debatable and subjective. However, I see your point but don't agree that this change in TF requirements in all the game-breaking.
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So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?
I'd rather have a revamped Positron.
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If both isn't an option, I'll take the newer shiney TFs please.
Posi really isn't bad on a 3 person team.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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A revamped Posi TF would be like new content!
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Some of those are debatable and subjective. However, I see your point but don't agree that this change in TF requirements in all the game-breaking.
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The thing is... The exploit wasn't game breaking either.
Like I said, NOBODY was being hurt by the Cap farms. There is most definitely going to be some hurt from changing it though.
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So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?
I'd rather have a revamped Positron.
Old, broken content should be fixed or removed, not left out to fester where everyone can see it, no matter how much shiny new stuff is propped up next to it.
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See, I'm the opposite. Since the Posi TF is such a low level and I'm only there a handful of hours I could careless. I can outlevel the TF just by running it.
The LGTF is end game content the masses have been screaming about for as long as I have been on the forums. I would MUCH rather have a new TF where I can use all my powers earned rather then 6-8 powers.
No thanks, new TF...actually NEW SF PLEASE!
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No thanks, new TF...actually NEW SF PLEASE!
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Like 5 new ones plz.
Number of Hero TF/Trials- 23
Number of Villain SF/Trials-9
I'd say raising the drop rate of the (datamined) 3 or 4 most expensive Pool C recipes might be a good start.
I see nothing really wrong with this change. You won't have more than a couple of people drop in the taskforce, and a reasonable taskforce team can usually take on opponents for a team 2 larger (that's still easier than the highest-difficulty most teams run on). The few times that fails, it's not that much worse than now, when if enough people drop you can't take out the ending Archvillain. If you end up with just 2 people left at the end of Positron's tf but 6 on the team, and can't tackle the mission, try to find another time the 2 of you can meet up and complete it, in a week or so, most of the other teammates will probably have quit the tf 
So, in essence, I don't see any problems being anymore than infrequent. People logging out and not quitting and being gone won't mess up task forces that badly, just make them a little harder and take a little longer.
The drops problem for pool C recipes for villains is a bit worse. Maybe they could divide pool C recipes back to being Story Arc rewards as well, or give them out for at least the Villain Ouroboros taskforces? Maybe figure out which ones sell for more/less typically in the Black Market and set the Black Market highest 12 as Task Force rewards, the rest as Villain Story arc rewards?
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No thanks, new TF...actually NEW SF PLEASE!
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Like 5 new ones plz.
Number of Hero TF/Trials- 23
Number of Villain SF/Trials-9
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That's actually incredibly sad... I had never seen the numbers next to each other.
Wow.
SF/trlias
1. The Beast Beneath the Mountain
2. Pirates of the Sky
3. The Temple of the Waters
4. The Crystal of Serafina
5. Lord Recluse's Strike Force
6. Tree of Thorns Respec 24 to 33
7. Tree of Thorns Respec 34 to 44
8. Tree of Thorns Respec 44 to 50
TF/Trials
1. The Rule of the Three
2. The Fall of the Clockwork King
3. Clamor and Destruction
4. The Kheldian War
5. Citadel's Children
6. The MegaMech Cometh
7. A Tangled Plot
8. Following Countess Crey
9. Soul of the Woodsman
10. Explorers and Exploiters
11. The Legend of Ruladak
12. The Saga of Faathim
13. The Saga of Lanaru
14. Statesman's Task Force
15. The Lady Grey Task Force
16. Cavern of Transcendence
17. Terra Volta Respec 24 to 33
18. Terra Volta Respec 34 to 44
19. Terra Volta Respec 44 to 50
20. Sewer Trial
21. Eden Trial
What am I missing?
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All for a TF change? Sheesh.
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Its not just 1 change. Its a pattern of behavior.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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Apparently the Devs disagree whether softspawning TFs is hurting someone. It hurt someone enough that they ordered man-hours to fixing it.
Perhaps some other method of supporting the villain economy could be suggested? One that doesn't require spawning TFs for 8 and then soloing them?
Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!
Villanside - Lady Grey.
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@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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SF/trlias
1. The Beast Beneath the Mountain
2. Pirates of the Sky
3. The Temple of the Waters
4. The Crystal of Serafina
5. Lord Recluse's Strike Force
6. Tree of Thorns Respec 24 to 33
7. Tree of Thorns Respec 34 to 44
8. Tree of Thorns Respec 44 to 50
9. Lady Grey
TF/Trials
1. The Rule of the Three
2. The Fall of the Clockwork King
3. Clamor and Destruction
4. The Kheldian War
5. Citadel's Children
6. The MegaMech Cometh
7. A Tangled Plot
8. Following Countess Crey
9. Soul of the Woodsman
10. Explorers and Exploiters
11. The Legend of Ruladak
12. The Saga of Faathim
13. The Saga of Lanaru
14. Statesman's Task Force
15. The Lady Grey Task Force
16. Cavern of Transcendence
17. Terra Volta Respec 24 to 33
18. Terra Volta Respec 34 to 44
19. Terra Volta Respec 44 to 50
20. Sewer Trial
21. Eden Trial
What am I missing?
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I'm sure the Devs would rather have devoted the bug squashing team to something else, had that been an option. But this is what got greenlighted, or finished first out of however many things they are working on.
This currently being tested fix looks to be intended to be a more player-friendly compromise. Who knows whether it will go live? No harm in testing it while datamining to see if the Live fix is sufficient.
That's better than having the Devs ignore the player outcry against the Live fix, no?
Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!
So 9 to 21...yeah that's kinda bad.
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So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?
I'd rather have a revamped Positron.
Old, broken content should be fixed or removed, not left out to fester where everyone can see it, no matter how much shiny new stuff is propped up next to it.
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Ohh noes!!! I agree with venture 2 days in a row....
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
I�! I�! Gg�gorsch�a�bha egurtsa�ar�ug d� Dalhor! Cthluhu fthagn! Cthluhu fthagn!
You are in a maze of twisty little passages
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So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?
I'd rather have a revamped Positron.
Old, broken content should be fixed or removed, not left out to fester where everyone can see it, no matter how much shiny new stuff is propped up next to it.
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/em raises hand.
At this point I would have to agree.
It gives a VERY bad impression to new players who exprience this. The difference between one end of the game and the other is starting to get glaring.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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Apparently the Devs disagree whether softspawning TFs is hurting someone. It hurt someone enough that they ordered man-hours to fixing it.
Perhaps some other method of supporting the villain economy could be suggested? One that doesn't require spawning TFs for 8 and then soloing them?
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Sure:
1. Get the villan population up: fix the glaring things that people have been clamoring for months and are the main cause of folks. PPPs, being one. PVP imbalances.
2. Merge the markets.
3. Strip nonsense drops from pool C and put them somehwere else.
Most realistic one I can think of:
4. Create some other non-tf related way to get the Pool C drops.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
I can outlevel the TF just by running it.
Task Forces in CoX are never outlevelled. If a new Positron TF was created, it would be new content for every player with a level 10-50 character.
Oh, and the Katie TF is not "fast and exciting". It is a joke in bad taste. To be fair, it wasn't that bad before C drops, but under the current system it's way too easy....
Snaptooth: Activate the unnecessarily-slow soul-draining monoliths!
Scottooth: Wait, we're not going to just kill her?
Snaptooth: No, I have planned an elaborate and easily-escaped exotic demise for her. Now let's go.
Scottooth: You're not even going to stay and watch?!
Snaptooth: No, I will assume she dies according to plan...what?
Scottooth: Look, I've got all kinds of magic weapons back at my place. Give me a few seconds, I'll grab one, BANG, we'll kill her together. It'll be fun!
Snaptooth: You just don't get it, do you?
Scottooth: She's gonna get rescued!
Snaptooth: Shush!
Scottooth: But...
Snaptooth: Shush!
Scottooth: We could...
Snaptooth: Shush! Shush! That was a preemptive shush! I've got a Bag of Holding full of shush! with your name on it!
Katie doesn't need to be proliferated to the villain side. It needs to go. It should be turned off, or have its C drop removed until it can be revamped. And please don't try to play the "you have to kill Mary 10 times" card. Killing Mary Macomber 10 times is easier than killing Ghost Widow or Mako once.
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So, would you rather have the Lady Gray TF or a revamped Positron?
I'd rather have a revamped Positron.
Old, broken content should be fixed or removed, not left out to fester where everyone can see it, no matter how much shiny new stuff is propped up next to it.
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/em raises hand.
At this point I would have to agree.
It gives a VERY bad impression to new players who exprience this. The difference between one end of the game and the other is starting to get glaring.
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Also, the LGTF is not a requirement for an accolade. Posi is. If you want the accolade, you have to go through that POS.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
I�! I�! Gg�gorsch�a�bha egurtsa�ar�ug d� Dalhor! Cthluhu fthagn! Cthluhu fthagn!
You are in a maze of twisty little passages
Having seen what happens when GW robs a bank I'm inclined to agree with the heavily pixelated guy this one time.
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I can outlevel the TF just by running it.
Task Forces in CoX are never outlevelled. If a new Positron TF was created, it would be new content for every player with a level 10-50 character.
Oh, and the Katie TF is not "fast and exciting". It is a joke in bad taste. To be fair, it wasn't that bad before C drops, but under the current system it's way too easy....
Snaptooth: Activate the unnecessarily-slow soul-draining monoliths!
Scottooth: Wait, we're not going to just kill her?
Snaptooth: No, I have planned an elaborate and easily-escaped exotic demise for her. Now let's go.
Scottooth: You're not even going to stay and watch?!
Snaptooth: No, I will assume she dies according to plan...what?
Scottooth: Look, I've got all kinds of magic weapons back at my place. Give me a few seconds, I'll grab one, BANG, we'll kill her together. It'll be fun!
Snaptooth: You just don't get it, do you?
Scottooth: She's gonna get rescued!
Snaptooth: Shush!
Scottooth: But...
Snaptooth: Shush!
Scottooth: We could...
Snaptooth: Shush! Shush! That was a preemptive shush! I've got a Bag of Holding full of shush! with your name on it!
Katie doesn't need to be proliferated to the villain side. It needs to go. It should be turned off, or have its C drop removed until it can be revamped. And please don't try to play the "you have to kill Mary 10 times" card. Killing Mary Macomber 10 times is easier than killing Ghost Widow or Mako once.
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*shudders* I'm agreeing with Venture A LOT.
All jokes aside, I need state this line again:
Killing Mary Macomber 10 times is easier than killing Ghost Widow or Mako once.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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How many times and in how many ways does Lighthouse need to say, "This is the best we could do with the time resources we have right now?"
I appreciate the people who are posting alternatives, but let;'s not make any presumptions about how things are organized and what could have been done with the time they had, please.
Further tweaks may be forthcoming, please feel free to say what direction you want them to take. However, softloading that allows 1 person to set up rewards for 8 is RIGHT OUT. Let's start from there.
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See thats the thing.
Im sick and tired of this method of doing things. They fix a *Problem*, promise to revisit it later on, and meanwhile, everyone suffers for *years*.
Just wait until you have the FULL TIME to devote to this issue before you change things. Softspawning Caps is not hurting anybody.
Quite contrary, its singularly supporting the PoS villain Pool C economy.
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To be fair, the devs did roll back a couple of "fixes" rather then putting them live. For example, stacking buffs like CM and Rage come to mind. They could have screwed over us players then but chose to implement a different change and revisit another time.
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And yet their track record shows that this is the exception, and not the norm.
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