I'll bring my fire/fire into the mix. I've actually done this on my own time and I stand up just fine...
Bring it!
Ah, AoE's, I didn't think of that.
So, are there any other ways of not being able to be "affected" ? Any that last indefinitely?
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This contest could last for days. Just join a TF, turn on hibernate, then hope your internet connection doesn't fail. Throw in scheduled server maintainence and we have a recipe for some unhappy people. Alternately, another player can't cause you to loose your stealth status, so anyone with stealth proc + stealth + SS should be just stealthy enough to go unnoticed by GMs, assuming paragon wiki is correct about perception values.
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That wouldn't work, Hibernate automatically turns off after 30 seconds of use.. so does Phase shift. Also, they have AoE powers, so an ill running superior invis has a good chance of being hit if they're standing next to a tank.
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With IO's by the time one wears off, the other is recharged. Espically with tankers. (hence perma phase 
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To end this um "argument" will just not allow, Hibernation, PFF and Phase Shift.
well that's not a good measure of powers then.. Phase Shift being banned I can see, since it's a pool power and you can craft it, but Hibernate and PFF are in your own power sets.
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Hey, if your not smart enough to craft phase shift, then really, you were never in the running to begin with!
Wassabi Grav/Kin 50 (before badges/accolades were in game) Pinnacle
Miss Command Bots/Traps 50 Justice
*others left off due to space issues
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well that's not a good measure of powers then.. Phase Shift being banned I can see, since it's a pool power and you can craft it, but Hibernate and PFF are in your own power sets.
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So you're just handing the crown over to an Ice tanker or a FF defender?
NITES, FTW
50s: BS/Inv Eng/Eng Blaster Grav/Rad Fire/Stone Brute AR/Kin Emp/Arch Mind/Sonic Dark/Dark Stalker Fire/Kin Thugs/Poison EM/Inv Dark/Thermal
In works: WP/SS Tank Demon/Dark Claws/Elec Brute Elec/Psi Dominator
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well that's not a good measure of powers then.. Phase Shift being banned I can see, since it's a pool power and you can craft it, but Hibernate and PFF are in your own power sets.
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So you're just handing the crown over to an Ice tanker or a FF defender?
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Hibernate drops after 30 seconds, ice tanks have no real, resistance after that. PFF, well, it IS in their primary/secondary powersets.
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Man, you people are making this way too complicated.
I'm getting pumped up for all of this.
I will nto mention how much i just spent to improve my toon......I feel ashamed....
Lady-Dee, the P.E.R.C. rep's of Pinnacle, being myself and Teldon will be on hand to help out the judging. If you think more people are needed to help, shout, and we'll get more server rep's to help out also!
This looks like a cool event!
Hawk
@Hawkeyed
P.E.R.C. Senior Pinnacle Rep
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"Nothing grabs your attention like a pink fluffy bunny with imps dancing around it" -Kranny
Also, do you need a flyer made? If so we can get someone to help make one.
Shadowy Presence - Absolutely, positively worse than playing a Kheldian... --Myrmydon
Hibernate might not have been a good choice anyways, since it roots you, right? And if the GM moves away from you, you're out of melee range, and DQ'd.... Or something like that.
If everything goes as it did for me last night, those GM's won't really move at all once they start attacking. I had 5 on me at once and we all just stood there. We had tea. It was great.
Just a reminder that the days for this contest are ticking down.
I'll repost the rules a week before the contest starts. So i beleive it will be the 15th.
Cheers!
Darn... I probably won't be able to make it. Although I wouldn't have been able to compete (since I know my toons go squish) .... I did want to watch. Someone post this on YouTube please for my enjoyment! Don't forget to add silly music to it so that the comedic effect is more profound. LOL
At first glimpse I was really looking forward to this...and then...
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Would it be much more fair to add in....cant use hibernation, phase shift or personal force field?
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Goat is tough, but without Hibernate I don't stand a chance. PFF I can understand, that in my opinion is a "I win" power considering it overpowers all other in-game defense/res. Phase I can understand too to an extent...but robbing a squishier tank of the main power it needs to survive...that's just wrong.
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At first glimpse I was really looking forward to this...and then...
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Would it be much more fair to add in....cant use hibernation, phase shift or personal force field?
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Goat is tough, but without Hibernate I don't stand a chance. PFF I can understand, that in my opinion is a "I win" power considering it overpowers all other in-game defense/res. Phase I can understand too to an extent...but robbing a squishier tank of the main power it needs to survive...that's just wrong.
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Ive been thinking about, Hibernation, PFF and Phase shift and if they should be eliminated from the contest, the answer is no.
The reason being is these powers are used to keep people alive as long as possible in missions, why should it be any different in this contest? Hell I have an ice tank and I know without hibernation Id be a sitting duck in some situations.
I have stripped away some powers that cannot be used already and I cannot keep telling people they cannot use this or that either; all its going to do is make people not come.
My goal is to do something interesting with Pinnacle and try to keep our server interesting. Some of my past contests did have flaws and complaints so I started putting more time and more of an effort to make it much more interesting then the last contest.
I want as many people to come and enjoy this contest but still be strict as possible with my rules. I refuse to make this contest which took me months to plan out be ruined all because of a few powers that have been nerfed already.
I will not add these powers to the list of powers that cannot be used. You want to use hibernation, phase shift or PFF, go for it. Your job is to Take A Stand so if you think these powers will allow you to stand longer and be the last man or woman standing, knock yourself out.
It may sound like I'm going against what I just said, but your plan to eliminate them all together was a better option. An Ice tank with Phase/Hibernate will NEVER die...that's the simple truth. A Controller/defender/blaster with PFF fully slotted will NEVER die, especially if it has aid self.
There is no answer to this problem aside from what you stated previously, that they need to be removed. However, I think I have an idea that would smooth out this issue a bit...Remove the ability for tanks to use tier 9s and remove the ability for all ATs to use epics. In addition, rule out Phase/PFF AND inspirations. This seems like a rough idea, but it would ultimately even the odds.
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It may sound like I'm going against what I just said, but your plan to eliminate them all together was a better option. An Ice tank with Phase/Hibernate will NEVER die...that's the simple truth. A Controller/defender/blaster with PFF fully slotted will NEVER die, especially if it has aid self.
There is no answer to this problem aside from what you stated previously, that they need to be removed. However, I think I have an idea that would smooth out this issue a bit...Remove the ability for tanks to use tier 9s and remove the ability for all ATs to use epics. In addition, rule out Phase/PFF AND inspirations. This seems like a rough idea, but it would ultimately even the odds.
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I cant win with this can I?
There on there off
.Im about to go nutty.
OK, answer me this. How am I supposed to tell if someone used an inspiration? Someone could hit a heal inspiration and say that was myself heal etc etc. Which is why I choose to allow inspirations but they cannot be restocked.
I really dont know how many people are going to show up. I could possibly create teams with a monitor on each team to check for inspiration use. But again, I dont know if Im going to have enough helpers if 20 people show up to do this contest.
I can see your point about Phase and PFF. I really dont know that much about PFF honestly, I know what it does but I dont or didnt know how strong it is.
So why dont we go the way of allowing Hibernation but no Phase Shift or PFF. Would that be better?
No Dee, you never will be able to make a choice that will please everyone...but here's my feeling...
Hibernate is a staple to Icers, without it they are nothing. Phase and PFF are luxury powers that an AT should not have to use in order to survive normally. So your idea to accept Hibernate but not the others would be a great in my opinion, but I'm sure that others will disagree.
In addition, if I do come to this...I'm willing to help you monitor if needed.
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Outstanding idea and really appreciated keeping the server interesting.
Just adding some more thoughts here. It would seem to me that PFF is just as intrinsic to a bubble defender or controller, as hibernate is to an ice tanker. I know that my bubblers use it very often during missions (more so than the ice tankers I've teamed with use Hibernate)
I agree that the contest would never end if players are allowed to use these powers, or a combination of them. They could chain a number of them together with enough recharge enhancements (via Hasten and IO sets) to stay pretty much untouchable for extended periods of time.
Heck, just the invisibility toggle power (pool power) would be sufficient to stay untouchable the whole time. It's against the rules to attack so the invisibility would never break. I suppose they might get slapped a bit by AE though so Inviso might not be so great (depends on if someone is standing near them).
Sorry to say but it's a great idea but needs a lot more work before you can run with it. In the end if you cancel all powers such as PFF, Inviso, Hibernate, etc... Tanks will win. They have more resistance and hitpoints. It's pretty much boils down to that.
P.S. after some thought you might change your stance on attacking. If contestants were required to attack (be it simply brawl) every once in a while (say once a minute or so)... the question of all of these powers would be moot. Sure they can bubble or hibernate but they have to come out once in a while to stay within the rules. They couldn't stay untouchable forever, which is what would happen if they didn't have to attack.
It's a thought....
Oh and PSS... I see the birthday icon for Lady Dee. Happy Birthday! Please don't get discouraged that some of us or poking at your wonderful idea. For my part it's just to help make a great idea even better and participate in community events.
That sounds like a great idea to avoid problems...require the person to attack every so often. I know this is getting complicated Dee but here's another thought. Allow Hibernate, PFF, and Phase...but a player can only use ONE of them...not a combination. Paired with required attacks, this would definitely solve the problem.
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This contest could last for days. Just join a TF, turn on hibernate, then hope your internet connection doesn't fail. Throw in scheduled server maintainence and we have a recipe for some unhappy people. Alternately, another player can't cause you to loose your stealth status, so anyone with stealth proc + stealth + SS should be just stealthy enough to go unnoticed by GMs, assuming paragon wiki is correct about perception values.
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That wouldn't work, Hibernate automatically turns off after 30 seconds of use.. so does Phase shift. Also, they have AoE powers, so an ill running superior invis has a good chance of being hit if they're standing next to a tank.
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