Ultimus' TankMage Mastermind -- List of AV's OWNED
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Akuma_Mishima,
Posted on: 2007-12-24 23:19 in Masterminds
What patron set did you take(if any)?
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What patron set did you take(if any)?
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Scirocco. By the way, I have to post Valk's screenshots which I will do in a bit.
Why do you ask?
I got a question for ya Ultimus; Do AVs run away from your burn-patch, or do they just sit and fry?
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I got a question for ya Ultimus; Do AVs run away from your burn-patch, or do they just sit and fry?
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They fry because I web grenade them to stay.
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What patron set did you take(if any)?
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Scirocco. By the way, I have to post Valk's screenshots which I will do in a bit.
Why do you ask?
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I was debating between what would be the better answer for a bots/traps. My bots/traps build, once fully IOed will only hit about 39% defense to melee/ranged/aoe. If I took BS, I could cap smashing, lethal, and energy though.
However, Scir grants resistance (something I have very little of), as well as having electrifying fences for keeping stuff in burn patches.
It was a toss up for me, I wanted the opinion of someone that was that high a level.
Resistance matters little to a mastermind. That's what bodyguard is for.
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I got a question for ya Ultimus; Do AVs run away from your burn-patch, or do they just sit and fry?
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They fry because I web grenade them to stay.
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Huh? I thought they had mega-mez-protection? Or does that not count immob?
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Resistance matters little to a mastermind. That's what bodyguard is for.
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QFT
scorpion shield has always been the better choice for bots/traps because you can stack it's +def with your FFG and your probots. The benefits of this alone outweighs the minor nuisance of KB that Mu's immobilize prevents. Besides, there's an easy way around that.
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I got a question for ya Ultimus; Do AVs run away from your burn-patch, or do they just sit and fry?
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They fry because I web grenade them to stay.
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Huh? I thought they had mega-mez-protection? Or does that not count immob?
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you can stack immob spamming WG. It takes a lot to immob an AV but they'll still get slowed. if you have the mace PPP web, they will stack faster.
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Resistance matters little to a mastermind. That's what bodyguard is for.
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I disagree, Resistance fills holes. There will be times when your Defense is bypassed. There are opponents with high accuracy, to-hit buffs, and -Defense debuffs. When your defense fails, having 42% resistance to smash/lethal/energy is nice. Especially since most things that do -Def are Energy or Lethal.
Additionally, it reduces the damage your henchmen take when you get hit while in Bodyguard mode.
Finally, resistance sets allow you to slot Steadfast protection for a global +3% defense.
I dislike Scorpion's shield since it will not stack with +Range and +Melee defense which you find in a lot of IO sets.
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I got a question for ya Ultimus; Do AVs run away from your burn-patch, or do they just sit and fry?
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They fry because I web grenade them to stay.
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Huh? I thought they had mega-mez-protection? Or does that not count immob?
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you can stack immob spamming WG. It takes a lot to immob an AV but they'll still get slowed. if you have the mace PPP web, they will stack faster.
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AV's only have boss level Immobilize protection. It takes two grenades to immobilize them.
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I got a question for ya Ultimus; Do AVs run away from your burn-patch, or do they just sit and fry?
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They fry because I web grenade them to stay.
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Huh? I thought they had mega-mez-protection? Or does that not count immob?
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you can stack immob spamming WG. It takes a lot to immob an AV but they'll still get slowed. if you have the mace PPP web, they will stack faster.
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Resistance matters little to a mastermind. That's what bodyguard is for.
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I disagree, Resistance fills holes. There will be times when your Defense is bypassed. There are opponents with high accuracy, to-hit buffs, and -Defense debuffs. When your defense fails, having 42% resistance to smash/lethal/energy is nice. Especially since most things that do -Def are Energy or Lethal.
Additionally, it reduces the damage your henchmen take when you get hit while in Bodyguard mode.
Finally, resistance sets allow you to slot Steadfast protection for a global +3% defense.
I dislike Scorpion's shield since it will not stack with +Range and +Melee defense which you find in a lot of IO sets.
[/ QUOTE ]Well disagree all you want, but if your bodyguard defense is being bypassed, the piddly patron shield isn't going to save you as your most likely dead to begin with.I have levelled from 1 to 50 on a thugs/dark mastermind, and I tank with said mastermind quite regularly and solo AVs myself. The only AV that has ever given me trouble is Positron. I don't even bother running my patron shield anymore, I only have it because it's better than having that silly blast power, and it get's me to my immob and hold.
What matters is learning how to position your pets before you do any tankerminding, and since I have provoke to begin with, that's all I do is tankermind and take all the hits.
Just like when I got asked why I never bothered to send pets first. Because I take more damage and being mezzed for a short duration to retoggle myself is less of an inconvenience than resummoning six pets are.
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Resistance matters little to a mastermind. That's what bodyguard is for.
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I disagree, Resistance fills holes. There will be times when your Defense is bypassed. There are opponents with high accuracy, to-hit buffs, and -Defense debuffs. When your defense fails, having 42% resistance to smash/lethal/energy is nice. Especially since most things that do -Def are Energy or Lethal.
Additionally, it reduces the damage your henchmen take when you get hit while in Bodyguard mode.
Finally, resistance sets allow you to slot Steadfast protection for a global +3% defense.
I dislike Scorpion's shield since it will not stack with +Range and +Melee defense which you find in a lot of IO sets.
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Sorry Silver, but I can stack enough range and melee defense from IO sets to equal Scorpion shield. Those also protect against nearly all attacks. Not to mention I get a global 3% from Steadfast. You cannot do the same with resistance and IO's.
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I disagree, Resistance fills holes. There will be times when your Defense is bypassed. There are opponents with high accuracy, to-hit buffs, and -Defense debuffs. When your defense fails, having 42% resistance to smash/lethal/energy is nice. Especially since most things that do -Def are Energy or Lethal.
Additionally, it reduces the damage your henchmen take when you get hit while in Bodyguard mode.
Finally, resistance sets allow you to slot Steadfast protection for a global +3% defense.
I dislike Scorpion's shield since it will not stack with +Range and +Melee defense which you find in a lot of IO sets.
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in proper context, you're more of a soloist. For large teams, scorpion's added defense stacked on your probots and FFG makes for better tanking. Also, if you take the medicine pool (you should), defense>resists when it comes to interrupts. same applies to trip mine toe bombing. Your usage of MM's is more of a specialized solo nature against specific opponents. But you could have accomplished what you're doing right now with scorpion anyway. I have, and so have many others.
Like I said, its because Positron does -Def. Positron gave me no trouble at all. In fact, I just beat a second version of him that was +1 to me. (Most AV's are even level when on Relentless)
I tank AV's too and sometimes I don't even use Bodyguard because I don't need it.
Scorpions shield doesn't protect from everything Ultimus. It protects from smashing, lethal, little energy and toxic.Most of the enemies you will be facing in your level range will be doing ice and fire damage as well as some other attack types.
And if your pets are down for the count, then you are two shots away from death except from a minion.
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I disagree, Resistance fills holes. There will be times when your Defense is bypassed. There are opponents with high accuracy, to-hit buffs, and -Defense debuffs. When your defense fails, having 42% resistance to smash/lethal/energy is nice. Especially since most things that do -Def are Energy or Lethal.
Additionally, it reduces the damage your henchmen take when you get hit while in Bodyguard mode.
Finally, resistance sets allow you to slot Steadfast protection for a global +3% defense.
I dislike Scorpion's shield since it will not stack with +Range and +Melee defense which you find in a lot of IO sets.
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in proper context, you're more of a soloist. For large teams, scorpion's added defense stacked on your probots and FFG makes for better tanking. Also, if you take the medicine pool (you should), defense>resists when it comes to interrupts. same applies to trip mine toe bombing. Your usage of MM's is more of a specialized solo nature against specific opponents. But you could have accomplished what you're doing right now with scorpion anyway. I have, and so have many others.
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Thats where Stealth IO and Super speed come in. I tanked for an 8 man group yesterday and I was taking all the alphas. Never lost a single pet.
I simply go in and drop Poison Gas trap then trip mine and the spawn is nearly dead.
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Like I said, its because Positron does -Def. Positron gave me no trouble at all. In fact, I just beat a second version of him that was +1 to me. (Most AV's are even level when on Relentless)
I tank AV's too and sometimes I don't even use Bodyguard because I don't need it.
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Scorpions shield doesn't protect from everything Ultimus. It protects from smashing, lethal, little energy and toxic.Most of the enemies you will be facing in your level range will be doing ice and fire damage as well as some other attack types.
And if your pets are down for the count, then you are two shots away from death except from a minion.
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I know... thats why I said I can reproduce Scorpion's Shield effects BETTER when I stack Range and Melee defense which protects against nearly everything. I have IO sets built to do this. If I went with SS, it doesn't stack.
I have just as much defense as you do only mine is Range and Melee. I also got 42% Res smash/lethal/energy.
Maybe you should go back up and read. I don't have Mace mastery. I don't use a patron shield. Poison Trap is essentially up tehre on my list of what I consider OP considering it can hold a PToD AV. I watch my friend do it all the time. Not to mention the fact that it's just stupidly silly the IO set up he has in it that is doing gobs of damage to boot.
I have to agree on Scirocco being the better patron to go with for bot/traps. On my bot/traps I went with Scorpion and now I'm kicking myself. With Scorpion I get the nice shield to stack with my defense, but with Scirocco, I get some nice resistance that is perfect for a Steadfast Protection +Def IO. You get layered mitigation and you still get to stack more defense. Add in the AoE comparison (Scirocco's has -kb, scorpion doesn't - an easy pick with bots/ ), and Scirocoo is the winner in my book.
Scorpion is a close second, but for bot/traps, my money is on Scirocco
heh, Silverspar is the one here who's nailed the heart of the matter. You're an MM for godsakes, one of the most unkillable AT's there are if not the most. I've yet to play an AT that's so hard to get damage taken badges. Slotting, and even more importantly, paying, for IO sets with bonuses focused on damage mitigation is a useless waste of time. recharge and damage are all that matter for a bots/traps. LotG > Steadfast. Last time I checked you couldn't slot 12.5% +recharge in Mu's shield, but you can in mine 
you like poison trap? do you? damn right I do. And it's going to be up a LOT. I also like the idea of psionic procs x2 in acid mortar. do you know how much better that is when you're having 2 AM's more often? Doubling AM more often is a lot better than a few 2.5% defense bonuses I'll tell you.
you're a mastermind, but you're building with a squishie mentality. Any +def set bonuses I have are purely cooincidental, not intentional. Scorp shield is one power pick and a few slots, I let my regular power picks +BG do all the heavy lifting, not IO bonuses that are so greatly unecessary for a nigh-unkillable AT when I can focus on pure recharge and damage. Here's another one for you as well. +HP and +regen IO bonuses are also better bonuses for an MM than +def IO bonuses. You chaps totally overlooked the point of bots/traps.
pure defense or pure resistence is always better than mixed defense and resistence
Been about a day or two since I last updated. This will be my last update for probably the next few days. I have successfully DESTROYED every Arch Villain and Hero up until level 45. I am currently level 43 on my Mastermind so now I must grind 43-45 so I can unlock more contacts. None of these Arch Villains were even remotely difficult for me. This character is a true Tank-Mage probably stronger then Illusion/Rad.
Swan gets some plucking
Look who decided to ambush me?
KABOOM! Need I say more?
High Five! Up high! Down Low! Too Slow!
Pummeling her with my Dark Melee
Looks like I got a holiday feast to cook
Manticore gets tamed
He's hiding around the corner
Uppercut straight to the head
Placing a Triage Beacon -- AWESOME power, Why skip it?
And the beast goes down
Citadel gets TERMINATED
Something interesting I want to note: Citadel ambushed me. I am suppose to lead a scientist to a computer in the mission to spawn him yet once I killed the Longbow Warden he came flying at me, I didn't even pick up the Scientist to escort. It made things kind of funny with the Scientist shouting remarks during the fight. So look at the combat log for some of the remarks the Scientist made.
I wish my Energy Melee was Blue
If only robots could know fear
Deflecting an energy blast
An explosion sends us flying!
His tier 9 deflects my attacks
And the robot lies broken.
This next guy is not an AV, but he was so cool I just wanted to post screenshots of him. He had an awesome move too.
Awesome NPC
Take a look
One AWESOME attack, summons tons of swords to attack you.
I sent Lilitu so far down that she came out the other side and landed back on Earth!
Infernal's mom again?
She's even easier then the last time
Uh oh, I'm confused!
My robot attacks
MORTAL COMBAT! FINISH HER! FATALITY!
Silver Mantis is squashed again
She never learns
Being blown away by my MagiTek
My time moves are too fast
Eeww! Dead bug! Get a tissue!
And now Ladies and Gentlemen, I present one of CoH's signature heroes. Many people said I would fail against him with the build I had, they were wrong. I totally wiped the floor with him.
Let me be honest, this fight was NOT difficult at all. It just requires placement of your Bots. You want them simply out of range of his Area of Effects. So without further delay:
Positron gets split
The man himself and Lead Designer
I keep him Immobilized so I can direct his AOE. My bots are out of his range.
My forcefield Generator got slammed at some points
Shortly before this, he did some weird attack (no visuals?) that wiped out 3 of my bots
Nearly dead.... time for the FINAL FINISH
Positron, I call this TRIP MINE and now for a Duke Nukem line...
HAIL TO THE KING BABY! BOOOOOOOM