Poll: Unofficial PvP Server Poll
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Achilles_Rex,
Posted on: 2007-07-23 17:38 in Everything about PvP
I would actually expect the first wave of transfers (to Infinity of course :P) to be a lot of lvl 50 fire/kins. First they will come and impregnate our PvE system and with time they will take over the server with lvl 50 PvP toons. If anyone is transferring to another server that is what I would suggest to do. I personally have little desire to level yet another toon to 50 so I can run through all the same story arcs over and over and over again. (They really need a vet rewards that would allow one to start at lvl 30 if you so desire, or at least 20)
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Because coming into the PvP forums to sour the decision of a community you are not a part of actively is just silliness.
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Manchu I agree and I am staying out of this personally...but I recall the whole "Which is more popular" polls where people logged in multiple accounts to vote for PvP.
I think it's disingeneous of Ex as a community rep to ask the community to pipe down as a whole on this issue, especially since votes can't really be locked out. 
I imagine many people will be voting for Freedom or Infinity or Virtue as they are high pop servers where PvP is very popular.
Ultimately, from my understanding though, Test Server is where the big boys play, so any live transfers may end up being more complicated than just transferring there.
This pool would have been better placed in the PvPEC forums, which are closely monitored and where voting would have been more representative as a whole imo.
All the best.
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168760: A Death in the Gish. 3 missions, 1-14. Easy to solo.
Infinity Villains
Champion, Pinnacle, Virtue Heroes
Freedom = Zone... Infinity = Arena
i really don't see why anyone would pay to transfer to a live server when you can still transfer to test for free... and you can copy over and over.
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(They really need a vet rewards that would allow one to start at lvl 30 if you so desire, or at least 20)
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i do robobug. Test sucks. Ive been in a lot of high end pvp matches...and scheduling practices and matches gets disrupted all of the time because of bugs, maintenance, closed betas, laggy patches etc. The advantage of test is duping, and being able to tweak your build. For arena goers, the live environment can be a lot of fun. Not to mention it will elimate a lot tier 3 inspiration usage.
Globals - @Incursion. & @Incursion-
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(They really need a vet rewards that would allow one to start at lvl 30 if you so desire, or at least 20)
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hell, i would take a vet reward transfer over that...but lvl 30 would be nice.
Globals - @Incursion. & @Incursion-
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i really don't see why anyone would pay to transfer to a live server when you can still transfer to test for free... and you can copy over and over.
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My guess is that we'll always keep test as the place for practice and official matches for several reasons: the ability to change builds, the great equalizer that duping provides, and being able to use any toons your SGmates have in their stable without forcing them to spend $10 to try out a hunch.
That said, having some place where you're going to get to pvp with quality players that isn't active only between the hours of ~8pm and midnight Sunday-Thursday night would be a great boon. I'm almost certainly going to shell out $10 to move one of my emps there for zones, kickball, and the IPvPL.
me too
Globals - @Incursion. & @Incursion-
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At the same time, if my server were tapped to be the "unofficial" PvP server, I would want to know what, if anything, the devs would be willing to do to help Saint Joe's relocate to another server. If the answer to that question is "nothing," then I'd rather see another server get tapped.
Saying that a server is now the "unofficial PvP server" carries more complications than whether PvP'ers would pay to transfer to the new server. You need to consider the people who would want to leave that server as a result.
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The community has the right to gather, just as other communities have. In addition to the unofficial RP server (Virtue), many people claim Victory is the unofficial GLBT server, and Freedom's the unofficial place for French speaking players. Sure, Ex agreed to help us out by making a poll, however, I'm sure that's something she'd agree to do if there was a move to make a badging server or a fruitsalad server or whatever else.
That said, us creating an unofficial PvP server is completely beyond dev control. Unless they want to ban server transfers by accounts of known pvpers, there's really nothing they can do to prevent us from gathering on one server. And since it's not an official designation or decision, but rather one made by each individual who chooses to move or not, the devs shouldn't be doing anything to provide free transfers to those who then decide they want to leave. Indeed, to do so would sanctify the decision enough that it would no longer be unofficial.
gg
Globals - @Incursion. & @Incursion-
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At the same time, if my server were tapped to be the "unofficial" PvP server, I would want to know what, if anything, the devs would be willing to do to help Saint Joe's relocate to another server. If the answer to that question is "nothing," then I'd rather see another server get tapped.
Saying that a server is now the "unofficial PvP server" carries more complications than whether PvP'ers would pay to transfer to the new server. You need to consider the people who would want to leave that server as a result.
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The community has the right to gather, just as other communities have. In addition to the unofficial RP server (Virtue), many people claim Victory is the unofficial GLBT server, and Freedom's the unofficial place for French speaking players. Sure, Ex agreed to help us out by making a poll, however, I'm sure that's something she'd agree to do if there was a move to make a badging server or a fruitsalad server or whatever else.
That said, us creating an unofficial PvP server is completely beyond dev control. Unless they want to ban server transfers by accounts of known pvpers, there's really nothing they can do to prevent us from gathering on one server. And since it's not an official designation or decision, but rather one made by each individual who chooses to move or not, the devs shouldn't be doing anything to provide free transfers to those who then decide they want to leave. Indeed, to do so would sanctify the decision enough that it would no longer be unofficial.
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ding ding ding. we have a winner
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Why are you asking non-PvP'ers not to participate in this exactly? Once again devs don't realize that something like this will affect non-PvP'ers. As in I'd transfer my characters OFF a server that was designated as the "PvP server."
Therefore I will "particpate" in this "survey" and choose servers I do not play on as my suggestions for servers to be designated as PvP.
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Because it's for people who want to transfer to a PvP server, not for those who don't want people to transfer to a server.
Being a server with alot of PvP'ers will have no effect on you anyways. Unless that is, you're one of the idiots who feel they should be able to run in RV and farm all they want. I didn't know that the heavies had "PL/Farming Machine" in their description.
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Sure, Ex agreed to help us out by making a poll, however, I'm sure that's something she'd agree to do if there was a move to make a badging server or a fruitsalad server or whatever else.
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I would hope so. But still, a redname (orangename, I guess) poll is still a level of involvement that makes a lot of people say to themselves, "oh, this must actually be happening, because a redname is involved."
Considering it is Ex Libris who asked that non-PvPers stay away from the poll, she is empowering the poll with her position. She may not be meaning to, or maybe she is: community coordinator is her job, and so maybe this is the kind of thing we'll expect to see in the future. But we haven't so far. So far, over the past few months, Ex Libris has come to be associated with the PvP community. She helped get the PvPEC off the ground because the PvP community couldn't get it off the ground themselves. She's in that community's corner, and a lot of people know it.
And I'm not saying that's bad. The PvP community needs someone in their corner. But I am saying this does not seem like a completely unofficial thing. You can say that this is unofficial all you want, but really, it seems like this is "unofficial" at best. The weight of having a redname be involved and make the poll should not be dismissed so lightly.
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Sure, Ex agreed to help us out by making a poll, however, I'm sure that's something she'd agree to do if there was a move to make a badging server or a fruitsalad server or whatever else.
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I would hope so. But still, a redname (orangename, I guess) poll is still a level of involvement that makes a lot of people say to themselves, "oh, this must actually be happening, because a redname is involved."
Considering it is Ex Libris who asked that non-PvPers stay away from the poll, she is empowering the poll with her position. She may not be meaning to, or maybe she is: community coordinator is her job, and so maybe this is the kind of thing we'll expect to see in the future. But we haven't so far. So far, over the past few months, Ex Libris has come to be associated with the PvP community. She helped get the PvPEC off the ground because the PvP community couldn't get it off the ground themselves. She's in that community's corner, and a lot of people know it.
And I'm not saying that's bad. The PvP community needs someone in their corner. But I am saying this does not seem like a completely unofficial thing. You can say that this is unofficial all you want, but really, it seems like this is "unofficial" at best. The weight of having a redname be involved and make the poll should not be dismissed so lightly.
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If we still had the general levels of redname involvement that we had under Cuppa, having redname support for a player-driven movement like this would be strange and it would make it seem as though it were unofficial in name only. However, since Ex has made such a point of supporting community events and ideas (both in the forums and in game), I don't think your claim is all that valid. The poll is just using a board mechanic that's not open to people without redname status, similar to posting HTML fliers for events, which she also does.
As far as Ex being in the PvPers corner, yes, she helped out with the PvPEC, but she's also helped with Timeforce II, the gay prom, the straight prom, the City Scoop, and superteams. If you look at all the events/ideas she's supported, it's pretty clear that she doesn't care what we do (within reason), she just wants people active and involved and connecting. Really, I think she's in everyone's corner, PvPers were just loud enough that we got a decent bit of attention early on.
Ex is clearly a PvPing time travelling gay straight reporter. For a superteam.
Here you come with a stupid name like Fixer - brutalkillz_
all these red bars make me go SMASH!!! rawr
How bout dis... A second "test" server, that is not a "test" server, but a designated "PvP" server. Stays with the current game mod, and saves alot of people from spending alot of cash when the server transfer happens.
People will be able to copy a character over. I see this as a big plus. I don't PvP really. It would be cool to copy a character over to the "PvP" server and respec him/her for PvP. That way, I can keep my PvE build, and have a PvP build, for when I feel like PvP'ing.
AWOL out...
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Because it's for people who want to transfer to a PvP server, not for those who don't want people to transfer to a server.
Being a server with alot of PvP'ers will have no effect on you anyways. Unless that is, you're one of the idiots who feel they should be able to run in RV and farm all they want. I didn't know that the heavies had "PL/Farming Machine" in their description.
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Honestly, you putting a poll up is counterproductive, period. You're going to get interference from the PvE community because some of them hate you.
Likewise, you fill PvE threads on content with how you hate that there is more PvE stuff when PvP is broken. Same rules apply- you can't silence someone who is allowed to have a voice in the boards.
If you want a true answer to where you should move when transfers are available, you should probably set up a private website and invite as many parties involved and participate in a debate (and subsequent vote of all the constituents) and then announce your official decision on the boards so people can do what they need to do to be happy.
Those who PvP and want the challenge will follow FoL, OS, Velocity, and the rest of the PvP fanatics. If they want great PvP, it's going to be where those groups are at. They eat, drink, sleep, and breathe PvP. If you want it, they are there.
Likewise, if someone wants to avoid you like the plague, they will look at your choice and avoid that server or move from that server.
You are a tight nit community with a real enthusiasm for PvP. Act on it outside of the boards and make a legitimate decision that will be appeasing to your group as a whole. Take the PvE side out of it.
You shouldn't be upset for taking part in something they are able to take part in.
Make your decision within your community offsite by invitation only and bring it back to the boards with your agreed upon results.
Good luck, and I hope the server transfers to congregate on a single server brings you much happiness.
i'm moving to infinity
cry more plz
Not all PvP'ers post on the forums, but do read them heavily. We would all be back to square one because it would be "I lurk, but I PvP" messages to register for the clandestine meeting and poll, and it could just as easily be folks lying and wanting to skew the votes there.
This is as close to it as we can get.
The survey is cast for the common player, after a point, a republic of the PvPSGs should be formed and do their own electoral college vote and let the common poll have some bearing on the final decision.
That is, if you want to have a more solid and believable decision made overall.
Or we could just keep on playing on Test like we have been and just learn to cope with the downtime from time to time.
Test sucks for Zone Fighters.
By the votes Infinity seems to be the place to go...if thats the case I'll just be relocating my (hero) fire/kin, (Villian)fire/kin,and my (Villian)fire/stone. However I think the idea of a new server being created is the best idea. It does create a balanced playing field and I'm sure the rest of the community would be happy to see us all go.