Incursion_NA

Thanks for the heads up TJ. I'll give it a shot!

Apologize if this is not the right place for this.

I recently renewed this account and my forum name has the _NA attached to it. I understand this is from the EU forums being merged over. I have a EU game account linked to my master account, and before the merge was using the same forum name. Basically, i own both Incursion_NA, and Incursion_EU. How do i change them? Is that possible? I remember we used to be able to change our forum names via our profile but there doesn't appear to be the option.

Inc

Hello Champion,

Who else is playing for free right now? PS - this NA at the end of my name is bogus, considering i owned the same name with the same account on the old Euro boards. BAH!!!

Incursion

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Castle, can you go into more detail on the cage suppresion nerf, thanks.

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It operates exactly the same as Hold suppression. Initial Cage will take full effect. Any additional cages will not take effect until the "suppression" period ends.

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FWIW, we reverted out the "Not affect players" change to TK, and changed Break Frees to 50% Repel Resist, and 100% resist for Medium and Large inspires.

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Very cool, thanks for giving our suggestions a chance. Now git back to the acrobatics thread!

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Break Free offers 25% resistance to Repel. Escape offers 100% resistance to Repel. I could make Break Frees grant resistance anywhere from 25% to 100%. Where is the acceptable breakpoint?

25% = 4 BFs needed to obviate the effect.
33% = 3 BFs needed to obviate the effect.
50% = 2 BFs needed to obviate the effect.
100% = 1 BF needef to obviate the effect.

Once 100% resistance is reached, you can't be Repelled unless the effect is irresistible. This will apply to Force Bubble, Hurricane, and other Repel type powers as well.

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<ul type="square">[*]2 bf's should free a player from the repel[*] TK toggle should de-activate after 60 seconds[/list]

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I really like that idea.

Removing the repel effect on players really only makes sense to me if it's the only way to take care of the perma-kb bug, and even then I'm not sure.

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i think castle mentioned the repel bug was going to be fixed by adding KB/KD suppression to certain powers that didnt have them coded correctly, or something like that.

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lol now you know theres no time for all that while trying to save yourself lol. But thats cool and all and the whole stacking stuffs adds up and makes since to me also incursion i did say it seems meaning i wasnt totally sure but thanks for the clarification :P , but since castle is nerfing tk anyway, my suggestion isn't as harsh as he's suggesting, so lets not focus on an individuels pvp escapades, and get on the task at hand.


A clicky seems like a viable answer, so what im waiting for is a reason why it wouldnt work. Instead of a endless toggle, a clicky with a 10-15sec duration and rech simular to mog 300sec? so it cant be abused.

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I'm simply saying that your conception of PvP is based on misinformation or a misunderstanding of how pvp combat works. At least in some aspects.

Please don't take my comments as a flame, because i'm just trying to get you the right information so you can make better informed suggestions.

Your actual suggestion wasn't all that bad, even though i'd rather prefer it a little differently. Perhaps the click able verison would work, but then when factoring in IO's, recharge etc...will the power be ultimately not worth using, or still overpowered?

Ideally i wish the toggle would shut off after a min as suggested prior. Maybe they can just add repel supression after a certain amount of time, say like 30 seconds worth or something. This may allow the player time to get out of TK range, or defeat the player using TK.

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tk will no longer affect players? sucks balls for me

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The hold will still affect players; the repel will not.

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Please stick to your guns on this one. Some powers just weren't designed with PvP in mind. This is one of them and it is not inappropriate for it not to work in PvP.

Many people here are thinking solely from how this nerfs their character and not how this might open PvP to others. Taking away all the PvE designed tools that are extremely unfair against players would do much to make PvP more desirable IMO.

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No need to completely nerf it. It isn't over powered by any stretch in team oriented pvp. It is more of a soloists gripe. 2 BF's has been the best suggestion in this thread. Besides, most of the pvp'ers are suggesting the same thing. It isn't going to effect pve anyway, i think it's a good idea the pvp community gets heard on this one.

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For starters, if you have the same emp spamming clear mind on you, only 1 is being accounted for. The devs made a change that the only way to have more than 1 CM on and have its affect is if it is from multiple casters.

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Actually....That was tested, but later scrapped. Recasting powers like CM "dropped" the initial cm before reapplying it for a very brief moment meaning that for a split second you were lacking any mez protectiogn from the power and so long as any mezz powers were on you you instantly became mezzed then released dropping your toggles.
Because of that the change never went through and all aspects of powers like CM, Clarity, and O2 Boost still can stack from the same caster.

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thanks for clearing that up. Still in catch up mode on updated pvp. Not easy taking off a couple issues in pvp, and realize a lot has changed. Rest of the post still stands though.

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Happened yesturday on triumph, and i wasnt solo keep in mind like i said he was doing other stuff as well. Sometimes the bf's don't work as intended thats a fact. Hell i'v been held before through a allready activated phase shift, i have seen ppl die inside hibernoob with 0 hp and bust out the ice dead after like 20 sec.

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First let me address this. The reason why people get held through Phase Shift and Hibernate isn't because break free's don't work. It is because they ware off during your phase/hibernate, and when they do, if there is enough mag already stacked on you, the affect will take place. For example, It takes say 3 power boosted holds to hold your regen (not using real numbers). Say you are running one break free, and the mez caster has 3 or 4 holds on you. You decide to hit phase shift. If you still have 3 or 4 holds stacked when that break free dissipates, you will be held, and phase will drop.

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I even once got detoogled with a ton of cm on me, those holds are incredible, also most doms run mega, among other accolades, it's doms that it takes 2-3 bf's to get one hold off you just for them to restack more and break you anyway.

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Define a Ton of CM...I find that hard to believe.

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If you doubt this log a 40+ toon on triumphs rv when morgify-x or cerebral torture is on and let them show you what i mean lol. And actually i didnt want to go into the whole story but since your forcing me to disprove you i will. But i had my sp/reg on yesturday and it was two doms i never seen befor in the zone a mind/ice and a fire/??? so i poped my big bf's, the expensive ones they add like 10mag def for 2min or so i used 4 and rushed to get the fire. He jousted and jousted me and the mind decided to help him, so i still attacked the fire figuring id get him before the mind got me, and in beetween being held a few times and forced to use bf's and retoogle i was put into tk. Also i didnt even mention a stalker joined in as'ing me while being tk'd. They backed me into the hero heavy held out of bf's, the hold fell just long enough for me to use my temporary phase and i jumped down into the base for my life. OK lol jeez i didnt come here to defend my honor just give my input on tk giving a relevent story of my point. And to further what im saying i'll even put my name out there, anyone who does triumph rv and comes to these forums knows about Ravens my sp/regen one of the toughest, most io'd out scrappers there, when you fight with me it's a tough fight and anyone who has seen me will attest i know my stuff.

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IE if i eat 4 bf's in theory would give me total protection from tk

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Not theory, proven fact. Test it.

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But if enough holds, immobs,stuns or w/e are stacked on you to detoogle you anything goes after that if your now tk'd the AI is not going to say they have 4 bf's still on them you will be pushed back as intended.

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Also in my rage not thinking since it only shows on hold icon you can have a million holds on you and it will appear as one so you really cant gadge whats on you.

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Also i'm not saying i sat and ate 15 inspir all at once lol ppl are so literal, these are used in a course of the fight i only ate the mediums all at once, and they arent bf's they were called something eles, the baby iron wills.

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I used like 15 bf's and 5 of those expensive bf's you find in the medium inspiration slot in the ww that go for 200k on triumph.

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If you had used even 1/5th of the inspirations you did, you would've long been able to walk out of TK.

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qft

i like it as a toggle, from the user, you know when it's working. From the person being tk'd's standpoint, i really only find it overpowering in the arena, and that you have to invest 4 inspirations to resist the repel. in zones, and some arena maps, you can get out of it. (not referring to KB/KD bug) If you popped as many break free's as you said you did, you shouldn't have been affected by the repel at all...not buying that story, unless you were popping them one at a time, not allowing any to stack. But if you had big one's it only takes 1 anyway.

i c u edited. 2 mediums from ww then, instead of 1.

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Yes Castle instead of nerfing tk's repel aspect just make it so you pop 2 BFs to negate the repel effect, that would be more reasonable and make people less angry (You can also go with the 1bf breaks repel approach also. The issue with tk isn't really the repel, it's just the bug that causes KB to be perma if tk is used with a kb power, if you can fix that instead then it will be golden.

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Well, that should be fixed in I12, too. A lot of powers which Knockback Suppression is missing on are getting it added. That doesn't completely alleviate the issue, though, which is why I added the exclusion flag to TK. I'm willing to grant that that was a bit of overkill, though, which is why I'm posting here.

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I agree with you there, why not make repel have suppression?

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It's a toggle. It'd suppress itself after the first tick! It truly would be useless then!

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2 break free's would be a great start. It gives players a fighting chance, and doesn't completely neuter the power. In the arena, and sometimes in zones, players will likely be using break free's anyway to help against the holds, typically found in dominator and controllers (sometimes defenders). So, if they are popping a break free just so they don't get mezzed, using two small bf's to negate the repel affect would better their chances. As it is now, 4 break free's just to get out of repel means a lot of popping, in a very short period of time.

Now, i do realize that issue 12 is supposed to have some sort of combine feature with inspirations. However, i'm going to assume most players are going to still bring tier 1's for arena matches for what it's worth.

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i hear Neo gives good helmet m3z. It might be in your best interest

edit - Not speaking from personal experience of course.

I would agree. The jabs in this thread are all in good fun. Mildly entertaining in fact. I just know there are some underlying feelings that are there, and its a shame because both these groups bring a lot to Champion, and its just a misunderstanding imo.

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lawl @Originality
Then again, what was DR's record? Maybe they'll make you guys look good. jk Neo



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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

~Neo

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O Come on, you hope they fall flat on their face, and choke on the pwn sauce. Although you probably won't say it

[/ QUOTE ]he'll say it behind their back like he did about vori

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Of course I wanted you to lose, I was routing for Shakedown...then GMW...then, hmmmm, who to root for next...

GO RENEGADES!!!

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Well seriously, I never wanted you to lose b/c I hated you guys really, well...maybe a few of you...but mostly b/c I was lending my accounts to my friends in those other groups. Sorry dude. Besides, it's not like you guys have any love for DR

Actually, M3z, I would like to see you get back on top before you leave for AOC. So, GL tomorrow, in all seriousness. It will be a tough fight.

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Ofcourse we had mad love for DR, after you left the first or third time, they turned into animals with no manners and was always very vocal about how much they hated vori.

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Lol, I only quit once, silly. But it is humorous nonetheless. And I think maybe you guys are putting DR in the same boat as the coalition itself. And you should know Void, that the actual DR guys never had a beef with VORI, hell we had practice with you guys. It was mostly the coalition groups (the PVE-oriented and RV farming) that had vocal problems with VORI.

Maybe I missed something while I was away from the game those two months, but that's what I remember from when I was there.

And Wylde, don't make me pull out the chat log about what you said about Unholy, M3z and Reaver's mother

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Gotta back Neo on this one m3z. The DR guys that PvP'd and that were only in DR (not coalition) for the most part liked all you guys. Sure there was some friendly rivalry, but i think they respected you guys more when they tried out test, and found out that it isn't easy. I've been so afk in this game, but i've hung out with you guys in lulz vori chat, and on the DR vent, and there really wasn't any hate. I know you guys felt like there was, but i think your targeting the wrong bunch. Sure, everyone has a few idiots, who get pissed and go off. It happens :/

I think you and Neo should Hug it out, maybe take a long walk on the beach or something.

still think its funny to see another team use an existing vg name that was on test.

your description of RPD is wrong. You say it buffs defense, when it actually buffs resistance.

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incursion, why do you have to be the adult here and kill all the lulz, i'm calling for blackup

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sorry m3z

flamefest continue

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How about we were the only team with balls and the smarts to use a "bar code team" which i dont even consider bar code cause they are all different and inventing the turtle that everyone uses now with storm teams.

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You didn't invent the turtle, or were the first to sue storms. Tribute was using storm teams since before HVND even existed.

While, I'll give you that you were the first to use a "same name" team for disrupting targeting, FoL did in fact roll a bar code team soon after to have ready in case we ever had to face that ACE team again. As it turned out, the rest of the PvP comunity raised an uproar over it, and thus we ditched the project and never used it, but we did infact level a whole bar code team up to lvl 50, and I just recently renamed the bar code toon.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for HVND, and I miss having the rivalry that we had going back in the day. You were one of the most fun adversaries we ever faced.

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QFT

FoL was our biggest rivalry hero side. lot of respect toward you guys. Pyric, stop talking, you're getting owned

As far as the turtle goes, we were the first group to use it successfully in a test server match besides tribute, who just steam-rolled everyone. Maybe "re-invented" but i prefer to say we influenced a style of gameplay that was a little different than what was thought to work against test competition. We used alot of stacked storm/forcebubble, and took players out of the match via detention field as they approached our turtle. After that, you saw a lot of other teams take a second look at bubblers, and then eventually sonics. But again, thats not to say other groups didnt have their hand in developing strategies that other groups adapted to.

while the ace team failed in official matches, it was amazing in practice, trust meh :P.

serioulsy now children, calm down and stop the mud slinging...well after i get my licks on vinnie who was still wiping rifts hiney when all the big dogs pvped :P.

When i was in hvnd, we used disruption teams, beat penance, and had the closest ever match with tribute back when they knew how to pvp and nobody else didnt. I thought that was a feat, especially when half our team was a bunch of pve nublets. But, i cant discredit the other hard working SGs then, and the SGs now. Though, i do think hvnd had some influence in bringing some uniqueness to the test scene. though, im not going to throw that in anyones face, because we definetely werent the only group .

-Inc

PS - a meldo and Bossman duo can 2 v 16 any SG here. Fact

doh!

lol, heya Ras...what are you still doing here? you activate? hmm

ps how is your sistere...i miss her.

ah ok.

cz?