Discussion: Inventing Wings with Jay Doherty
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Anti_Proton,
Posted on: 2007-04-17 09:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Here's what I had from back when, but I don't know where the original post about it is:
Levels 10-25: Fairy Wings, Insect Wings
Levels 26-40: Burned Wings, Draconic Wings
Levels 41-50: Bat Wings, Bone Wings, Cherubic Wings, Tech Wings
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Man.......that .......blows........
I've gotten 2 costume drops from scanner missions- nothing really good from street sweeping, so my hopes of getting lucky in Bloody Bay or Sirens Calll doesn't hold up hope....grrrrrrrrrr
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Unfortunately I haven't been able to confirm or refute those level ranges. They could be outdated.
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They are, if it was like that. Not sure myself. As far as I know, only the IO recipes drop according to your level. However, the costume piece recipes are in Pool A, the general drop pool containing all the IO recipes. Meaning they can drop from anything you defeat, except GMs of course.
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Who knows indeed? Because all the evidence we have of his handi-work that hasn't been known for months is 3 pairs of boots, 1 pair of wings, and a new pair of glasses.
Of course, Cryptic has other projects under way, so perhaps he's working on those.
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You see some leaked costume code in one issue, and expect a a mountain more before the official issue release?
Of course, we could speculate some more about the inner workings of Cryptic, but I doubt they've been sitting on their hands the whole time 
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I've never argued that these costumes should be automatically available to everyone. I just think the drop rate needs to be reasonable. Which it currently is not.
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That's a matter of personal opinion
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Also, your point about the Test Server is absurd. Do you even read the Community Digest? Or did you miss the "Issue Nine Final Focus Testing" thread Ex Libris posted? Thats a pretty good indication thats whats currently on test, small bug fixes aside, is what will go live.
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Yes, Negative Nancy, I read them. Of course, reading the closed beta forums was even more of a chore since the Digests didn't collect posts from them. I think my forum browsing comprehension is pretty good. But I appreciate your berating of my acumen (me not kno how to reed)
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The Test Server is very representative of what goes Live. The vast majority of changes that go to Test, go to Live unchanged. There are a few exceptions, but they are a very, very, small percentile of the total changes.
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Of course, things never get changed after they go to Live. So I guess if drop rates aren't good enough after launch, we're hosed
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Furthermore, drop rates are coded into the game, unless they are intentionally changed by the developers, they aren't going to magically change just by I9 being pushed to Live.
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And here's the rub - the population on Test is, arguably, not representative of the average player population. People get their 50s online and test the STF. They copy over millions of Influence and sell things for 100M influence. Not everyone plays on the Test server either.
Arguably, the drop rate may be right, but cursorily, it may not appear that way. Of course (without speculating about the inner workings of Cryptic), I've always been optimistic about the devs' ability to address and change problems in the game and not so dysmal
There again, IMHO, the whole wing thing is so trivial compared to all the RL stuff going on currently anyhow. Between friends and acquaintances expiring left and right, I'm really quite apathetic about it, cool as wings may be. Not trying to make a strawman, just explaining my current mindset; keeping things in perspective.
I'll get my wings when I get them.
That's probably my last 2 Inf on the subject.
"If for any reason, you're not completely satisfied, I hate you." - Futurama 
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Here's what I had from back when, but I don't know where the original post about it is:
Levels 10-25: Fairy Wings, Insect Wings
Levels 26-40: Burned Wings, Draconic Wings
Levels 41-50: Bat Wings, Bone Wings, Cherubic Wings, Tech Wings
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Man.......that .......blows........
I've gotten 2 costume drops from scanner missions- nothing really good from street sweeping, so my hopes of getting lucky in Bloody Bay or Sirens Calll doesn't hold up hope....grrrrrrrrrr
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Unfortunately I haven't been able to confirm or refute those level ranges. They could be outdated.
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They are, if it was like that. Not sure myself. As far as I know, only the IO recipes drop according to your level. However, the costume piece recipes are in Pool A, the general drop pool containing all the IO recipes. Meaning they can drop from anything you defeat, except GMs of course.
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Okay.....a little relieved....................need insect wings on my insect controller- and I plan on farming a lvl 50 black swan mission until I get them....I know I know- BAD work_ethic Naughty!!!
But I really really really really reaaly reaaly really wnat the insect wings.......
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See how the different wings move here. Tech and Bone wings are missing.
I covet thee insect and fairy wings. I'll do whatever I can to get them.
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As my forum name is not red, it's not place to make those statements.
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No, you have endorsed a waiting period on getting costume pieces. I'm calling you on it, and asking you to say how long. One issue? Two issues? Three? It's a simple question. No dev required. Your opinion made clear.
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Also, please stop looking for an argument where none exists. I don't share your opinion but you are quite welcome to it regardless of how idiotic and ludicrous I find that opinion.
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Right. You make a hostile, sarcastic straw-man attack on someone else's position, but of course no argument exists.
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We're not having an argument!
Yes we are!
No we're not!
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No, we aren't.
I have a different opinion. That's it.
And no, that wasn't hostile or sarcastic. When I get hostile, it's a lot worse. This is just... meh. For one thing, the costume peices aren't tied to issues, they're tied to drops, drops aren't tied to issues either so you can drop that whole line of BS right there. The drops? Eh... I'm still not sure about.
I've been on test server practically everyday since 2nd wave of beta and I haven't got one. Someone will probably say that you'll be able to buy them at the consignment house... hrm.. maybe. With the larger number of players on all the servers using the CH it's altogether possible there'll be a much larger selection of stuff to buy. What the prices will be? No clue. Test is way too small of an environment to base a decent guesstimate of live. The CH will be cross server, as in all the servers. That one seems like wait and see would be the best idea.
The whole costume bits as drops thing? Dude, how many people cried, complained, BMW'ed and threatened over waiting till 20 for a cape? Did that get changed? No. My lowly little opinion is that you're more likely to get the drop rates upped before getting anything really changed. So, my overall opinion? You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Yes, Negative Nancy, I read them. Of course, reading the closed beta forums was even more of a chore since the Digests didn't collect posts from them. I think my forum browsing comprehension is pretty good. But I appreciate your berating of my acumen (me not kno how to reed)
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Anything in particular you'd like reposted? I saved all the dev posts from the secret forums into Word.
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Yes, Negative Nancy, I read them. Of course, reading the closed beta forums was even more of a chore since the Digests didn't collect posts from them. I think my forum browsing comprehension is pretty good. But I appreciate your berating of my acumen (me not kno how to reed)
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Anything in particular you'd like reposted? I saved all the dev posts from the secret forums into Word.
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Not yet, but thanks. I just get snippy when my forum browsing skills are mocked 
Edit: Zombie Statesman save me!
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I would be very impressed with the wings, IF, they didnt come through the inventions system.
Leaving something like those options up to random chance, or the greed of others is not my ideal situation.
Other than that, good job on the looks of them for sure. Something we have come to expect from Cryptic's art and animation department. Very well done on how they look and work.
-Cos
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"Once the avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote" -Kosh
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Who's the guy sporting the bone wings? Zombie Statesman? Satansman?
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Nope, it was Zombie Tradesman.
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The article is fine, and I'll keep my opinions on the implimentation of the new wings to myself..... but why oh why isn't there more wild speculation on appearance of said "zombie statesman" face/helmet costume piece (see lower right picture in Jay's article).
I know others have said it, but I'm inclined to agree there could be a hefty little sum of costume pieces waiting in the wings (pun intended) to be released near the end of testing or when I9 goes live. It'd make sense the dev's want us to quibble more over the technical details of the new invention system than oggle over new (and hopefully free*) costume pieces to be added into I9.
/em crosses fingers for statesman'esque zombie helmet
*free as in "included at the charcter creation/tailor screen"
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I hadn't thought of this. I sure hope there is some eventual truth to this.
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So, if you have a character design that needs one of those to look right, how many more issues should you be forced to wait?
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i dont intend to be rude or anything but if you need wings to make a costume work id suggest using one of the other 4 and possibly 5 costume slots until you can get them. Stop playing because your costume doesnt work? of course not. but itd probably be a good idea to use the things they have given you until then.
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Actually, the people that care about how the character appearance matches the character design will simply not play (or likely even begin) that character. They can play other characters, of course, but doing so simply constitutes waiting.
The question to EvilGeko still remains: how long is an appropriate period to have to wait to be able to use the new costume pieces?
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i for one care very much about how my characters costume looks. ive played every AT both hero and villainside over the course of a few years and ive never seen a powerset/build/character design/etc that revolves around a single costume peice. think of what would happen if you had all the costume peices the day i9 was released or even a week after. inventions which makes for probably 90% of i9s content would be ignored by those who dont see the value/dont want to bother/cant afford inventions other than costumes. they may still ignore it this way but theyll at least get a better idea of how everyting works instead of avoiding it from the start
the costume should be built around the character. not the character built around a costume peice.
Something to wonder about: if wings were available from the start, would that reduce the incentive to use them, as compared to keeping them rare?
As you might guess, I've seen way too many bad costumes with wings stuck on the back for no apparent reason other than the player feels that he or she has to tell everyone, "Look! I got wings!" (Yeah, I'm a snob. Haul me off to Snob Court.) It's gotten so I was actually feeling a little embarrassed when I put wings on one of my characters.
So, would common wings result in the city being overrun by dragons, fairies, and bugs? If so, yeah, I'm against it.
(Oh, and for the record: I have one character I'd like to have insect wings for, and another one who would like jet boots. But if I can't get them, well, I'll live without them. I like the characters anyway, and their costumes are cool just as they are.)
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Something to wonder about: if wings were available from the start, would that reduce the incentive to use them, as compared to keeping them rare?
As you might guess, I've seen way too many bad costumes with wings stuck on the back for no apparent reason other than the player feels that he or she has to tell everyone, "Look! I got wings!" (Yeah, I'm a snob. Haul me off to Snob Court.) It's gotten so I was actually feeling a little embarrassed when I put wings on one of my characters.
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I think you'd see more winged characters if they were available straight out of the chute, but I also think those costumes would be more consistent.
Lady_Athyna brought up capes earlier. Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, I suspect I see a lot of crappy cape costumes not because there's a wad of people out there who don't care about their costumes per se (there are), but because the cape's a Visible Thing To Strut What I Won to The Other Players. It's a reward, and as a reward people are going to show it off regardless of how well it goes with the costume.
So while making them more common would create an influx of dragons, fairies and bugs, at least until the novelty wore off, you'd see a lot fewer people with tank tops, karate pants, and bug wings... worn because the player just won the recipe drop lottery and he wants to show off.
Just my guess.
Sudden appearance of winged/jet-booted characters would be no different than all the monster/zombie costumes when CoV costumes were allowed in CoH.
ZOMG! People want to use the costume creator to do new things?!? STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!
Essentially ending expansions of the costume creator is no kinda answer. And I agree that if absolutely ANYONE could have wings AT ANY TIME that there would actually be fewer seen. People would use them because it fit the character and not just to show off how l337 (i.e., lucky) they are.
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(Oh, and for the record: I have one character I'd like to have insect wings for, and another one who would like jet boots. But if I can't get them, well, I'll live without them. I like the characters anyway, and their costumes are cool just as they are.)
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Uh oh. That exactly describes my situation. That makes you my direct competitor.
*Hits Finsplit with a tapir's thigh bone as the Monolith looks on*
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Here's what I had from back when, but I don't know where the original post about it is:
Levels 10-25: Fairy Wings, Insect Wings
Levels 26-40: Burned Wings, Draconic Wings
Levels 41-50: Bat Wings, Bone Wings, Cherubic Wings, Tech Wings
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Man.......that .......blows........
I've gotten 2 costume drops from scanner missions- nothing really good from street sweeping, so my hopes of getting lucky in Bloody Bay or Sirens Calll doesn't hold up hope....grrrrrrrrrr
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Unfortunately I haven't been able to confirm or refute those level ranges. They could be outdated.
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They are, if it was like that. Not sure myself. As far as I know, only the IO recipes drop according to your level. However, the costume piece recipes are in Pool A, the general drop pool containing all the IO recipes. Meaning they can drop from anything you defeat, except GMs of course.
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Okay.....a little relieved....................need insect wings on my insect controller- and I plan on farming a lvl 50 black swan mission until I get them....I know I know- BAD work_ethic Naughty!!!
But I really really really really reaaly reaaly really wnat the insect wings.......
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Well in the end you'll probably get them, either thru a lucky drop or having so much Influence built up from that farm that you'll be able to buy them at the CH.
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Whether I agree or disagree with the premise of invented wings (that were originally all inventions, vet rewards were a gift and a preview to inventions...) but regardless of that... forced? You're forced? How? Some nutjob comes to your house and holds a gun to your head demanding you play a game?
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You seem very confused. Your solution to not being able to build a fitting costume in the game is to... not play? Somehow, I'm not seeing how that results in being able to build a fitting costume.
With the current drop rates, the average player with a particular costume piece in mind will probably not see that piece this issue. Or for that matter, the next. How many issues do you consider to be an appropriate wait?
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Let us say that the current drop rates mean that only one person a day will find a costume piece on each server. There are 12 servers. The consignment houses are cross-server tech, so you see everything for sale on every server. Lets say that 50% of the costume pieces are kept, and 50% are sold at the houses.
Thats 6 costume pieces a day put up for sale, say 3 months between issues, so that's approximately 540 costume pieces sold between issues 9 and 10.
I realize those are completely made up numbers, but I don't think from what I've read that the costume drop numbers are low enough to believe that we wouldn't average at least one drop a day per server. Seems to me like a lot of people are forgetting the whole cross-server issue and how many more options that opens up for them to find what they are looking for then what they see on Test.
And Athena is right, City of Heroes didn't come with a "whatever costume you want or your money back" guarantee, so you're not being "forced" to wait for anything, either you make the new character or you don't, your choice.
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While an interesting article, these Wings have been finished since Issue Eight went live, with the exception of the Tech Wings I believe. Did it really take Jay the entirety of the months since then to make a few pairs of boots and one set of wings? Furthermore, the drop rate for these new Wings is so poor that Jay may as well not have wasted his time creating them, as a teeny, tiny, minority of players will benefit from his work if the situation is not improved.
Also, I really hope those costume designs for the example characters in there are the product of the random button. They're not really what I'd expect from a professional designer.
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I really don't think it's Jay's call as to when his designs make it on to the game...that's more State's and Posi's call.
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So, if you have a character design that needs one of those to look right, how many more issues should you be forced to wait?
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i dont intend to be rude or anything but if you need wings to make a costume work id suggest using one of the other 4 and possibly 5 costume slots until you can get them. Stop playing because your costume doesnt work? of course not. but itd probably be a good idea to use the things they have given you until then.
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Actually, the people that care about how the character appearance matches the character design will simply not play (or likely even begin) that character. They can play other characters, of course, but doing so simply constitutes waiting.
The question to EvilGeko still remains: how long is an appropriate period to have to wait to be able to use the new costume pieces?
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I'll offer my experience with this to put things in perspective.
When I started playing this game back during CoH beta I adapted a character concept I've played for many years from other RPGs to CoH. This character became my first 'main' despite the fact that the concept "needed" wings to make her be how she had always been before. Sadly CoH did not offer wings 3 years ago, but I decided to accept that situation and went on to enjoy many hours of playing with her regardless.
I waited EIGHT Issues to finally get my wings to satisfy the original character concept for her.
Two and a half YEARS.
So I feel that I am uniquely qualified to answer your main question you've been harping others here about: How long is an appropriate period to have to wait to be able to use the new costume pieces? Well of course "appropriate" is a loaded word because obviously anyone who wants a certain thing usually wants that certain thing ASAP. But to give you a hard answer, I have absolutely no problem at all playing a week, a month or even a year or more before I get a costume drop I'd like to have. Sure like anyone I'd want it ASAP. But after waiting 2.5 years for the "costume drop" I needed I think I could easily be "forced to wait" (others might call that "time spent enjoying the game") many months if necessary to hit the "lottery" as you described it.
The problem with your frustration over the rarity of costume drops is that your argument against them is fundamentally flawed. It's flawed because the Character Creator in this game will never be able to provide an infinite selection of items. Whether there are inventible costume items or not, veteran costume items or not or event costume items or not there will ALWAYS be character costume concepts that this game will never be able to support. For you to narrow mindedly fixate on a rare inventible costume item and be unable to adapt to whether you have access to it or not is unreasonable at best and totally childish at worst.
If you really, really, really, really, really can't live without or accept the lack of that item you OUGHT to be motivated to do what it will take to get that item. It's very simple: Play as much as possible and you will either get lucky to have it drop on you or you earn enough INF to buy it. End of story.
Games need goals - inventible costumes items are now a new goal.
Not having wings at first didn't stop me from enjoying this game regardless.
While I respect your position and frustration on the matter you do -not- have my sympathies...
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I used to be excited about I9... for the wings, alone.
You see, I couldn't care less about angel/demon wings. I have them on a couple of my gals, but, could take them or leave them.
My main Heroine (been around since CoH beta) is a Pixie. She requires Pixie wings.
I oh so wish that instead of being granted angel/demon wings as the Vet reward, we could instead choose the two types of wings for our account that we'd actually use. And, then, make angel/demon wings part of the invention process as well.
/sighs
I'm definately not looking forward to grinding and praying that I get the right drops for my gal (or having to pay horribly high prices at auction... don't have a sugar daddy 50...).
I won't quit over this, but it has diminished my desire to play. It's not envy that other players will have my wings first, just that I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to complete my gal just because she's not an angel/demon.
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I used to be excited about I9... for the wings, alone.
You see, I couldn't care less about angel/demon wings. I have them on a couple of my gals, but, could take them or leave them.
My main Heroine (been around since CoH beta) is a Pixie. She requires Pixie wings.
I oh so wish that instead of being granted angel/demon wings as the Vet reward, we could instead choose the two types of wings for our account that we'd actually use. And, then, make angel/demon wings part of the invention process as well.
/sighs
I'm definately not looking forward to grinding and praying that I get the right drops for my gal (or having to pay horribly high prices at auction... don't have a sugar daddy 50...).
I won't quit over this, but it has diminished my desire to play. It's not envy that other players will have my wings first, just that I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to complete my gal just because she's not an angel/demon.
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Well I'll admit I might be more miffed about this if my main were a Pixie instead of a Demoness.
Heck I might even gripe about it in the forums.
But I would quickly come to realize a few things about it very quickly:
1) The Devs did nothing to specifically target ME over this. The choice of wings available and how they are being made available is ultimately their decision and wasn't done directly to help or hurt me. You can call it bad luck for being a Pixie, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the -concept- of having inventible costume items in this game. The Devs could have just as easily made angel/demon wings inventible, as they were actually originally intended to be anyway.
2) It might take a while to get your Pixie wings after I9, but at least you now have a CHANCE to even have them. As I mentioned in my last post I played this game for years without ANY idea I'd ever have a chance for any kind of wings. Having a CHANCE for Pixie wings, even a slim chance, is better than having NO chance.
Obviously the people who really want the items that are going to based on rare inventable recipes will have to jump through more hoops for them. I myself have other Alts that will be looking for things like the Tech Wings and Rocket Boots so it's not like I won't be in the same boat of looking for these things. But contrary to popular opinion I actually -like- that things like this will be relatively rare and cool like that. For me these things will actually motivate me to continue playing. They will be long term goals that I'll either find on my own or I'll play long enough to earn enough INF to buy them.
I played 2.5 years for my demon wings. For all I know I might be playing 3.5 years for my tech wings.
It'll give me something to look forward to if it takes me a year.
It'll give me something to show off if I get them the day I9 goes live.
Either way I'm not really seeing the downside of this as much as others I suppose...
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I played 2.5 years for my demon wings. For all I know I might be playing 3.5 years for my tech wings.
It'll give me something to look forward to if it takes me a year.
It'll give me something to show off if I get them the day I9 goes live.
Either way I'm not really seeing the downside of this as much as others I suppose...
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QFT (played a wingless gargoyle for 2.5 years 
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While an interesting article, these Wings have been finished since Issue Eight went live, with the exception of the Tech Wings I believe. Did it really take Jay the entirety of the months since then to make a few pairs of boots and one set of wings? Furthermore, the drop rate for these new Wings is so poor that Jay may as well not have wasted his time creating them, as a teeny, tiny, minority of players will benefit from his work if the situation is not improved.
Also, I really hope those costume designs for the example characters in there are the product of the random button. They're not really what I'd expect from a professional designer.
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I really don't think it's Jay's call as to when his designs make it on to the game...that's more State's and Posi's call.
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I would think that if there were more costume pieces ready to be put in the game, they'd put them in. I'm not of the opinion that costume options have been developed and withheld. I'm of the opinion that they haven't been developed.
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While an interesting article, these Wings have been finished since Issue Eight went live, with the exception of the Tech Wings I believe. Did it really take Jay the entirety of the months since then to make a few pairs of boots and one set of wings? Furthermore, the drop rate for these new Wings is so poor that Jay may as well not have wasted his time creating them, as a teeny, tiny, minority of players will benefit from his work if the situation is not improved.
Also, I really hope those costume designs for the example characters in there are the product of the random button. They're not really what I'd expect from a professional designer.
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I really don't think it's Jay's call as to when his designs make it on to the game...that's more State's and Posi's call.
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I would think that if there were more costume pieces ready to be put in the game, they'd put them in. I'm not of the opinion that costume options have been developed and withheld. I'm of the opinion that they haven't been developed.
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Well, there have been other "leaked" pieces displayed on Live, such as weird backpacks and Wyvern pieces appearing on player characters (my Wyvern-themed alt would kill for those ). I don't know the details, but they pictures appeared to be legit. Unfortunately, I don't know where those posts ended up (possibly lost to the pruning).
So there may be more in the code than meets they eye. It took some skilled "diving" to find the extra wing options in I8, after all. And it was pretty obvious that some of them weren't ready for release at I8 when Gabbos made his video (one pair didn't even connect to the back in I8, but has obviously been optimized for I9).
Although it's just speculation, I suspect that there are more pieces, but they either aren't ready for prime time (need refinement), are linked to other content (TF, trial, recipe, etc.), or are otherwise withheld to spread more content between issues (so the next issue isn't flatter than the previous issue).
Just my 2 influence.
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While an interesting article, these Wings have been finished since Issue Eight went live, with the exception of the Tech Wings I believe. Did it really take Jay the entirety of the months since then to make a few pairs of boots and one set of wings? Furthermore, the drop rate for these new Wings is so poor that Jay may as well not have wasted his time creating them, as a teeny, tiny, minority of players will benefit from his work if the situation is not improved.
Also, I really hope those costume designs for the example characters in there are the product of the random button. They're not really what I'd expect from a professional designer.
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I really don't think it's Jay's call as to when his designs make it on to the game...that's more State's and Posi's call.
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I would think that if there were more costume pieces ready to be put in the game, they'd put them in. I'm not of the opinion that costume options have been developed and withheld. I'm of the opinion that they haven't been developed.
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Not quite so, it's really up to States, Posi & Recluse as to what actually gets included in each issue. Jay is a designer and is working away at designing and creating new costume pieces and it's up to the lead designer & design directors as to what makes it in. Being a design director in the fashion industry, I'm the one who decides what is presented to our buyers from all of the designs my staff does. With that said, there is a lot of designs that never make it to the final presentation. I'm sure that that is similar with what Jay goes through. IMHO 
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Here's what I had from back when, but I don't know where the original post about it is:
Levels 10-25: Fairy Wings, Insect Wings
Levels 26-40: Burned Wings, Draconic Wings
Levels 41-50: Bat Wings, Bone Wings, Cherubic Wings, Tech Wings
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Man.......that .......blows........
I've gotten 2 costume drops from scanner missions- nothing really good from street sweeping, so my hopes of getting lucky in Bloody Bay or Sirens Calll doesn't hold up hope....grrrrrrrrrr
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Unfortunately I haven't been able to confirm or refute those level ranges. They could be outdated.
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The salvage so far has fallen in line with that. (I've been keeping track as people post what salvage you use for what costume pieces on Paragonwiki. Just doing my bit for my SG.) Fairy and insect wings use 4-25 salvage, burned 20-40, and bone 35-50.