What's to discuss?
�Alas, regardless of their doom, the little victims play!� - Thomas Gray
Perhaps the appropriateness.
Or your feelings.
Or your reactions.
Maybe you like it.
Maybe you don't.
Discuss.
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That's a really good immolati..... er, emulation... 
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Bad Zek, bad! 
I'm not offended if the toon creator is Vietnamese (and somehow identifies with the person and or their actions for his religion or country's politics)... otherwise it's in poor taste. Someone put up a pic of Charles Manson in their DA account, and while I had no idea what the context was, I don't need that garbage coming into my morning deviants that I have on watch... I want to see art, not politics.
I enjoy being reminded of that monk. He reminds me of what humans are capable of given enough belief in something.
Be well, people of CoH.
Isnt that photo in the WIki link the cover of the 1st Rage Against the Machine CD?
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I'm not offended if the toon creator is Vietnamese (and somehow identifies with the person and or their actions for his religion or country's politics)...
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I would to an extent to agree. You don't have to be born of a certain nationality to empathize with it (You can just buy the skill set! ). What would be important is the intent of the creator when he made this character. If it was a tasteless joke, I'd remove it. If it were an homage, I'd respect.
If I were a Moderator, I'd play it very safe in this volitle situation, and generic him with a LONG letter of preemptive apology.
Yes intent is key, though hard to gage in a game or online... I'd never heard of the monk before, and that is a fascinating story... perhaps fascinating is wrong.
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I'm not offended if the toon creator is Vietnamese (and somehow identifies with the person and or their actions for his religion or country's politics)... otherwise it's in poor taste. Someone put up a pic of Charles Manson in their DA account, and while I had no idea what the context was, I don't need that garbage coming into my morning deviants that I have on watch... I want to see art, not politics.
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Nope, sorry, that's like saying that only African Americans can say the "N" word.
Nobody should say the "N" word.
Back on topic of the toon, it's a 50/50 IMO. 50% of me thinks it's funny and/or ok to do. 50% of me thinks it's in poor taste and/or shouldn't have been done.
Therefore, being of 2 minds about it, I say leave the toon alone, and ignore it. It's either in memory of (i.e. dedicated to) that individual, or it's a cry for attention. I say giving it more attention is not needed as that's what the person wants in the negative view, and it's ok in the first view. So, ignore it.
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Yes intent is key, though hard to gage in a game or online... I'd never heard of the monk before, and that is a fascinating story... perhaps fascinating is wrong.
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You've NEVER seen that image in ANYTHING??? like a movie, or tv show???
I can't count the number of times I've seen that clip. It makes me cry a little, and it makes me proud of the monk who did it. I can't believe anyone hasn't seen that...
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Perhaps the appropriateness.
Or your feelings.
Or your reactions.
Maybe you like it.
Maybe you don't.
Discuss.
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How about you? Your post. What's your thoughts?
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Isnt that photo in the WIki link the cover of the 1st Rage Against the Machine CD?
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Yes, Rage did use that same photo as their album cover.
This is a though one in my mind. For someone to perform such an act as this Monk did, their beliefs must have been so strong. So strong, that they were able to block out that pain. I can't imagine such a thing, but it obviously exists.
For someone to make a video game character out of someone else usually isn't a big deal. In this case, depending on how that person portrays the Monk in game makes all the difference. I think disrespecting any of the deceased is wrong, so if they doing anything in game to portray the Monk in a bad way, I would say that character should be taken out of the game.
When it's all said and done though, I think it's still in bad taste and wouldn't have done it myself, but that's just me.
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Perhaps the appropriateness.
Or your feelings.
Or your reactions.
Maybe you like it.
Maybe you don't.
Discuss.
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How about you? Your post. What's your thoughts?
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That was kind of my problem with the OP. Don't ask us to discuss something you posted if you aren't willing to do so yourself.
As per the topic. I'm fine with it as long as the person who made it is aware of and backs the reason it was done for. Otherwise it just seems a little on the sick side of humour.
�Alas, regardless of their doom, the little victims play!� - Thomas Gray
Agreed. If he knows the reason the monk did it and backs up why he did it, no big deal. If he's doing it cause it looked cool on a Rage Against The Machine album cover, its a little sick.
To be fair to both the OP for posting, and the person who did the toon?
It has gotten a lot of people to look up who it was referencing, and to make their own minds up about it. Instead of just seeing some burning guy on the steps now they know. I think that makes it a slightly more meaningful - if still a bit tacky - gesture.
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I could convey all sorts of emotions from this, but I think this needs to be looked at differently.
What if the intent was simply to get this act noticed because it happened. No emotion, no political motivation, just an act to get people to think about themselves and how they act in this life. We sometimes get so wrapped up in ourselves that we forget there is a world outside of our comprehension.
Also, there is a world within. Each being is more than their shell and it is very few who understand the full ramification of that.
The universe is not always pretty so we shouldtry to understand, learn, and strive to find what beauty we can.
Pity the blind man for what he can't see, but stand in awe of him for what he CAN see. Not all sight uses the eyes.
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I'd never heard of the monk nor seen the picture before; I'm not sure I like the idea of someone making a char named after the monk. I mean, this is a game, supposed to be fun ... I don't know, seems like that kind of stuff needs saved for someplace else. I wouldn't report the person; but I don't get the point of making a character in game named that. I'd think there's better ways to honor the memory if that's the point.
Wow, Hex. Come all out with the claws, eh?
I never said I was not willing to discuss it. I was pressed for time and just wanted to get it out there and review the thread later.
From what I could tell from the posts of the creator, his intentions were not in bad taste. He made the toon as an homage to an icon of determination and will.
I think it is great to honor heroes of the world. Great heroes don't come around very often and I think it is our responsibility to show the rest of the world how great the people are/ were.
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This thread reminded me of a comic of a similar nature.
Comic.
I feel this is not such much about a message but I do like the style.
EDIT: Possibly NSFW.
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Wow, Hex. Come all out with the claws, eh?
I never said I was not willing to discuss it. I was pressed for time and just wanted to get it out there and review the thread later.
From what I could tell from the posts of the creator, his intentions were not in bad taste. He made the toon as an homage to an icon of determination and will.
I think it is great to honor heroes of the world. Great heroes don't come around very often and I think it is our responsibility to show the rest of the world how great the people are/ were.
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Cool, so you are willing to discuss it. Me? I think wether it was done to honor or make light, it's in bad taste. I can be as tacky as the next guy but in the context of what that Monk did, for the reasons he did it, in the time that he did it, I just don't think there is a place for it in a game. I don't mean to be overly uptight but that guy set himself a blaze to make a protest. He did'nt step in front of a tank or throw rocks at armed police, he set himself a blaze. His sacrifice was meant to be unimaginable. To some how get across to people the imensity of the suffering and how important his religion was to him. It will forever be a symbol to me of man's inhumanity to man (the Diem regieme) and one person in a fleeting futile atempt at protest tried to get people to understand by making an unimaginable sacrifice. Preach mode off.
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I'm with Hex's first reply. Why should anyone get all worked up over this?
The monk wasn't tortured. He willingly made a martyr of himself for the exposure it would create. Thus, his death became his legacy. If it's in poor taste to remember him burning, he would have done it in the privacy of his temple, without mobs of bystanders or cameras (you think the reporter was there on accident?) around.
I wouldn't throw stones at a person creating this alt weather they are Budist, Christian or Mooney. After all, the monk intended his name (and sacrificial act) to live beyond 1963...
Having said that, I don't think I'd enjoy playing the character.
Although, as I mentioned earlier, I'm forever impressed by the man, I could easily turn around and explain that suicide is the weakest form of protest.
Be well, people of CoH.
I found this picture on another forum.
Picture.
Wiki Entry.
Discuss.
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