Guide to Upcoming Epic Archetypes (I6)


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Disclaimer: Speculation (just for fun.)

For which EAT it would be, the Incarnates are already ruled out because Positron said it didn't fit in with the storyline. Wings in I8, so maybe Avilans, but it's very very unlikely because they're not even in the game yet, but hey, you never know. Coralax is another possibility because they're the furthest in being implemented in the game as far as having a cameo at all. Blood of the Black Stream will be the second in the running since they have some history in the game already, just like the Coralax.


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This is interesting conjecture. I wonder if your correlation between in-game teasers and implementation priority is accurate. It seems intuitive, to be certain. But I can't help but observe that the only epic AT that we have any empirical knowledge of was introduced without any kind of previous in-game teasers. We just woke up one day and all of a sudden there were Kheldians and Quantums and Voids and Cysts and the whole hoopla. So it's not entirely clear to me that the designers feel a need to build up a backstory before introducing an EAT.

Then again, maybe they didn't like that "while you were sleeping everything changed" phenomenon, so now they're trying to compensate with preliminary back-story.

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I wonder how long they wondered about kheldiahns? Ooooor did they?

Whether they have incarnates or not, I kinda think that LR and States should be their own thing, ya know, superior and stuff.


 

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I know some people are all gungho about the crafting/invention system but back when Statesman was the big cheese he pretty much stated it was on thebackburner idefinitely untill they could make it fun/usefull/balanced all at the same time. To me at least, that seems like it's going to be a very long time.

States also mentioned that part of the reason for the Hammidon enhancement nerf was that we would get 50+ content consisting of enhancements that were greater than 33% and the content revolving around collecting them. Allowing players to make their 50's more powerfull WITHOUT raising the level cap.

I'd imagine any 50+ content were going to see in the next month will resolve around these Uber Enhancements and not inventions. Unless the invention system consists of us using salvage to make these uber enhancements.


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I'm looking forward to the Avilans! Maybe that means that somewhere along the lines they might add ATs for the other travel powers. Teleporting and super speed could be some awesome combat. Just a thought.

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See, so now EVERY CHARECTER past level 20 can be an Avian !!!


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I'm looking forward to the Avilans! Maybe that means that somewhere along the lines they might add ATs for the other travel powers. Teleporting and super speed could be some awesome combat. Just a thought.

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That's not a very good assumption. Mainly because wings are different from an Epic Archetype. Also, there hasn't been any announcements regaurding the Avilans' cancellation. Unless the devs says so, it's not true - just a reminder for everyone.

Another thing to ponder upon is that everyone thinks the Avilans were cancelled just because the wings are coming. Well, hasn't anyone ever taken into consideration that the reason the devs are giving everyone wings is because they don't want wings to be limited to an EAT (so people won't complain "why do I have to be an Avilan?!#$!")?

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See, so now EVERY CHARECTER past level 20 can be an Avian !!!


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Disclaimer: Speculation (just for fun.)

For which EAT it would be, the Incarnates are already ruled out because Positron said it didn't fit in with the storyline. Wings in I8, so maybe Avilans, but it's very very unlikely because they're not even in the game yet, but hey, you never know. Coralax is another possibility because they're the furthest in being implemented in the game as far as having a cameo at all. Blood of the Black Stream will be the second in the running since they have some history in the game already, just like the Coralax.


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This is interesting conjecture. I wonder if your correlation between in-game teasers and implementation priority is accurate. It seems intuitive, to be certain. But I can't help but observe that the only epic AT that we have any empirical knowledge of was introduced without any kind of previous in-game teasers. We just woke up one day and all of a sudden there were Kheldians and Quantums and Voids and Cysts and the whole hoopla. So it's not entirely clear to me that the designers feel a need to build up a backstory before introducing an EAT.

Then again, maybe they didn't like that "while you were sleeping everything changed" phenomenon, so now they're trying to compensate with preliminary back-story.

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I remember asking the same thing in the Kheldians section of the forums. Most of my responses stated that it was somewhat of a surprise, but at the same time they were introduced through the Paragon Times. Also, do note that the Kheldians were the first EATs. I have a feeling that the devs even talked or went into detail about having these things they'd call "Epic Archetypes" before the Kheldians came out. Anyway, the names only came out (Avilans, Coralax, Blood of the Black Stream, Incarnates) after the "what Epic AT next?" hype came about after the Kheldians.

It just seemed like an unintenional surprise though, is all I'm saying (the Kheldians, I mean.)


 

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Whether they have incarnates or not, I kinda think that LR and States should be their own thing, ya know, superior and stuff.

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That's why I'm against the logic of "oh we're gonna be able to combine power sets like States and LR." For one, it wouldn't be an Epic Archetype. I'd rather much see a new myth or lore spawned by the Incarnates story (which we know nothing about) and have the Epic Archetype revolve around that instead of getting the same sets and adding an "Incarnates" set that people might be assuming will happend, like APPs (well, exactly like APPs.)

As an artist, I do believe in something more creative than SS or Mastermind + Incarnate.


 

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I'd imagine any 50+ content were going to see in the next month will revolve around these Uber Enhancements and not inventions. Unless the invention system consists of us using salvage to make these uber enhancements.

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The "fat loot" that Posi promised us that will be coming in I8? I think so too, unless he announced that was cancelled as well.

PS, Oh, and I fixed the quote for you.


 

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I'm looking forward to the Avilans! Maybe that means that somewhere along the lines they might add ATs for the other travel powers. Teleporting and super speed could be some awesome combat. Just a thought.

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That's not a very good assumption. Mainly because wings are different from an Epic Archetype. Also, there hasn't been any announcements regaurding the Avilans' cancellation. Unless the devs says so, it's not true - just a reminder for everyone.

Another thing to ponder upon is that everyone thinks the Avilans were cancelled just because the wings are coming. Well, hasn't anyone ever taken into consideration that the reason the devs are giving everyone wings is because they don't want wings to be limited to an EAT (so people won't complain "why do I have to be an Avilan?!#$!")?

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Exactly.


And as for the Inventions system, it is no longer on the back-burner. _Castle_ is currently spending most of his day working on it (and as a side note, he mainly works with powers so it can be safely assumed that we will be "inventing" temp powers). Once again, the link for those that still question me.


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Whether they have incarnates or not, I kinda think that LR and States should be their own thing, ya know, superior and stuff.

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That's why I'm against the logic of "oh we're gonna be able to combine power sets like States and LR." For one, it wouldn't be an Epic Archetype. I'd rather much see a new myth or lore spawned by the Incarnates story (which we know nothing about) and have the Epic Archetype revolve around that instead of getting the same sets and adding an "Incarnates" set that people might be assuming will happend, like APPs (well, exactly like APPs.)

As an artist, I do believe in something more creative than SS or Mastermind + Incarnate.

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I will guarantee that the story will revolve around Greek mythology. Beyond that...nothing more than speculation.


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Whether they have incarnates or not, I kinda think that LR and States should be their own thing, ya know, superior and stuff.

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That's why I'm against the logic of "oh we're gonna be able to combine power sets like States and LR." For one, it wouldn't be an Epic Archetype. I'd rather much see a new myth or lore spawned by the Incarnates story (which we know nothing about) and have the Epic Archetype revolve around that instead of getting the same sets and adding an "Incarnates" set that people might be assuming will happend, like APPs (well, exactly like APPs.)

As an artist, I do believe in something more creative than SS or Mastermind + Incarnate.

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I will guarantee that the story will revolve around Greek mythology. Beyond that...nothing more than speculation.

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I would assume it's based around Greek mythology, although, that's just an assumption based on the fact that there are certain elements from the story of Statesman and Lord Recluse which indicates that there are Greek terms used to form their stories (like the Fountain of Zeus and the Well of Furies, etc.)

Other than that, we don't really know anything else to support the fact that it's about one certain thing.


 

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I'm looking forward to the Avilans! Maybe that means that somewhere along the lines they might add ATs for the other travel powers. Teleporting and super speed could be some awesome combat. Just a thought.

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That's not a very good assumption. Mainly because wings are different from an Epic Archetype. Also, there hasn't been any announcements regaurding the Avilans' cancellation. Unless the devs says so, it's not true - just a reminder for everyone.

Another thing to ponder upon is that everyone thinks the Avilans were cancelled just because the wings are coming. Well, hasn't anyone ever taken into consideration that the reason the devs are giving everyone wings is because they don't want wings to be limited to an EAT (so people won't complain "why do I have to be an Avilan?!#$!")?

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See, so now EVERY CHARECTER past level 20 can be an Avian !!!


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Yay! My level 27 ice blaster gets to be an avilan!!! Hmm, someone needs a makeover!

Oh great I sound weird now


 

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Remember a lot of big content is planned for i8-i11. So, whatever this huge storyline stuff is, we wont be seeing it anytime soon. Regardless of dev's hopes for a new issue every 3 months like some other MMOs, its safe to assume we won't see i11 until 2026. >_>


 

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Yay! My level 27 ice blaster gets to be an avilan!!! Hmm, someone needs a makeover!

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Ah see there's a difference between Avilan and being winged. I'm sure you know that though.

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Regardless of dev's hopes for a new issue every 3 months like some other MMOs, its safe to assume we won't see i11 until 2026. >_>

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Supposedly the whole I8-I11 storyline will cover all of next year. I assume I10 and I11 won't be that far from each other's release compared to normal issues. I'm only speculating though, since I10 and I11 was the expansion box.


 

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Alright everyone, I'm gone for now. Feel free to update the guide whenever news comes up, just make sure you guys remain unbiased and when posting, to make sure you seperate the real news from your own personal opinions. Also keep the debates at minimum; don't wanna come back to a warzone, eh? heh. Anyway, have fun everyone. I'll try to be up to date with the news.

(No goodbyes please, just keep speculating.)


 

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gone for how long?


 

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gone for how long?

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he cancelled his account until things start happening here.

...I know the dev's work hard, but I can't refrain from commenting on their work speed. "So we won't see him for the next few years." There. Outta my system.


 

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I feel that a incarnates would be a good idea if they just do what they did with statsman and lord recluse. Which would be to step up an already existing acrh type to include more devistating and or protective powers. For exaple if you hit 50 with a brute you would be able to remake that brute as an incarnet. Meaning they should boost the already existing powers to a whole new lvl and maybe toss in something new, but make it so you have to start a new toon to that would have the same basic arch of the old one. Maybe a mirror of them in name it takes your 50 and starts them anew as a incarnate. It's just a thought though and it is late so please excuse the spelling problems with my addition.


 

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By the way, after a slightly confused exchange with Cricket about Avilans, all she could say is "I haven't heard anything about that recently, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. There are a lot of things planned down the road."

*sigh* Those are the ones I'm really looking forward to, too


 

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hehe. I'm personally looking forward to Coralax. I like water. =p


 

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Oh, absolutely... I'll have to make room for them as well, but as nuts as Oceanborn was about Coralax... I'm as eager (just not as vocal) for Avilans.


 

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I ahve to agree with Attache, although I may have been in the game a long time, I rarely try to keep up with the changes, I love the game. Anyway, thanks for the info, speculation or not, it is good stuff and is the kind of stuff that gets the imagination stirred. I am excited to here about the new AT that may or may not be upcoming.


 

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The only problem with this idea is that neither Statesman, nor Recluse belonged to a specific AT before they received their powers. They were both changed during their expedition to the Well of Furies. Some will argue that the change occured because of the water, while others will argue for the Box hypothesis (I believe both are discussed earlier in this thread). Either way, whatever happens with the Incarnate EAT, it will be a unique build that will also have unique game-play and will follow a story built for the EAT itself.


@CrimsonOriole

 

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I feel that a incarnates would be a good idea if they just do what they did with statsman and lord recluse. Which would be to step up an already existing acrh type to include more devistating and or protective powers. For exaple if you hit 50 with a brute you would be able to remake that brute as an incarnet. Meaning they should boost the already existing powers to a whole new lvl and maybe toss in something new, but make it so you have to start a new toon to that would have the same basic arch of the old one. Maybe a mirror of them in name it takes your 50 and starts them anew as a incarnate. It's just a thought though and it is late so please excuse the spelling problems with my addition.

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That would be cool, except then people would be super overpowered.

Blaster:Yes! 50!
*SS/Inv/Elec Brute squishes blaster*
Brute:Haha I'm an Incarnate!
Blaster:Ow....