"You have talent. I hate you."
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AlienOverlord,
Posted on: 2006-03-31 14:52 in Multi-Media Fan Creations
No not really. I feel the same way around all these great artists around here!!! But instead of just sitting here being envious, I decided to learn to draw myself!!! Then maybe one day I can be up there with people hating my 'talent'. 
It's all just jealously really. But it is something you can do something about. I'm envious of other people who have other very marketable skills, that I don't have, but hey that's good for them! They've probably been working at it for a LONG time. I haven't. I could have those skills too but then I wouldn't have other skills that *I* have been working on for years and years.
Y'know?
But yeah. It's kind of a backwards compliment when someone says "That's awesome! You suck! <sarcasm>" So I dunno. no one has given me one of those YET so I can't say how it feels.
Well, some people have more talent others, and some will never draw(/insert artform here) awesomely no matter how hard they practise.
I'd be glad if I had so much talent at something that someone hated me for it. Anyhow, I doubt they're actually serious when saying that.
My drawing ability comes from Mitochlorians in my cells...
But honestly, I don't mind when people say something like that, because I don't actually believe that they 'hate' me. If they actually hated people with drawing ability, they wouldn't come to this part of the boards. So I just take it as a figure of speech.
But yeah... read what PMD said about work. HARD work. I've been able to draw since I was about 4 years old, and now that I'm almost 10 times that, I look back and realize I NEVER took a break from it. I NEVER stopped drawing. I've seen people that were able to draw quite skillfully give it up for a time and their 'art muscle' gets weak... some even given it up entirely. I don't think a week of my life has passed in which I haven't produced some sort of image (on a napkin, a canvas, a wall, a notebook, or the computer).
All I can say is... STICK WITH IT, no matter what level you're at currently. Drawing ability is something that's a reflection of a lifetime of study, not an overnight gift by a fairy.
Although, if the art fairy came and whacked me on the head with a talent stick, I don't think I'd mind it so much.
For me it's kinda like levelling to 50. Yeah it's great when you get there but the journey is what makes it worthwhile and memorable. If I just woke up some day and had super great art drawing skills yeah that'd be super but... that's no fun!! I'm having a LOT of fun doodling out things and seeing what the end result is, even if they are less than sucktacular.
Plus I like seeing how/if I am actually improving. That's the fun part! When I draw and people go 'wow you're getting better!' that makes me feel awesomely wonderful than if people just said "oh that' sgood! you suck! "
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and some will never draw(/insert artform here) awesomely no matter how hard they practise.
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Totally disagree. This kind of thinking is what cripples a lot of my 3d students. I'm not sure where in society it comes from, but I'd like to start a one-man mission to stamp it out!
You can do ANYTHING you want. All you have to do is practice and be willing to learn.
EVERYONE CAN LEARN TO DRAW!!
I honestly seriously believe that. And I've taught people how to draw before (and model in 3d and paint textures and animate) so I have a real reason to believe it.
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I've seen people that were able to draw quite skillfully give it up for a time and their 'art muscle' gets weak
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::raises his hand, then runs away ashamed::
Seriously, though, this board is great for inspiration. I'm drawing more now than I have in the last ten or so years. And I SWEAR I'll have more stuff to post...uh...soon. (I said I was drawing "more" not "as much as Jomaro!")
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Although, if the art fairy came and whacked me on the head with a talent stick, I don't think I'd mind it so much.
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You have plenty of talent. More than enough. Your drawings improve so much from one to the next that, if you keep it up, in about a year you could be quite good.
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Totally disagree. This kind of thinking is what cripples a lot of my 3d students. I'm not sure where in society it comes from, but I'd like to start a one-man mission to stamp it out!
You can do ANYTHING you want. All you have to do is practice and be willing to learn.
EVERYONE CAN LEARN TO DRAW!!
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Note I said 'some' and 'awesomely'.
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But yeah. It's kind of a backwards compliment when someone says "That's awesome! You suck! <sarcasm>" So I dunno. no one has given me one of those YET so I can't say how it feels.
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You have Talent, I hate you. 
There, is that better? No , I do not hate Rowr, nor do I hate any person who has artistic talent developed to the point that they can draw more than stick figures well.
To put it another way. While, yes, if I were to draw a great deal, I could gain some degree of ability, but I will not be able to bring out the emotion, or the life that others can. Like a maestro, who can play a piano and bring out the meaning and can convey the feeling and intent of the composer, or let you feel the same from their interpretation, I cannot. Yes, I can play the notes, but the conveyance of feeling is not there, such as it is when others play. There is a cetain kernal in the midst of that talent, that is indefinable and unlearnable. It is a part of us. Not all have it. None can learn it. It is there, lying in us, waiting to be awaken when we put pen to paper, or finger to key, or even hand to wrench ( what? some of what mechanics do is an art unto it self), or mind to problem. Not everyone has a natural inborn talent to make life out of some art, but that is life. Those that can, we admire, watch, and enjoy their creations even while we may be jealous of thier ability. I believe it is a natural part of humanity.
I always thought of it , when someone says soemthing like that, it was meant as a compliment. I do not think they hate me, but rather are trying to express their jealousy, and a desire to have that talent. I would not say it personally, but I would not take it seriously when another says it, unless they were in person, and I could truely judge their intent.
And the best way to get people online to do something is to tell them to stop it.
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My drawing ability comes from Mitochlorians in my cells...
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The dark side I sense in you. 'Midichlorians', it is spelled. Geekdom terminology, go uncorrected it must not.
Darkjedi, that's an awesome inspirational way of putting it! In fact I'll start drawing this weekend because it's always been something I've wanted to get good at. Freeform design has always been a weakness of mine, but with time and energ, most things CAN be achieved... And now this post has solidified that drawing is not an exception!
Okay, a little something about me: I'm a martial artist, and sometimes the guys will invite me to watch Ultimate Fighting Championship. Rich Franklin, the fighter who won the last title match, when asked about the number one trait toward his success as a fighter stated, "Oh it's all hard work...the only thing that can beat that is talented hard work" Now how inspiring is that? 
If you can put your mind to a goal you want to achieve, then implement necessary work toward it, and display the humility in accepting that room for growth. There's your "keys to success" hehe.
I don't think anyone really means they "hate" a particular artists work. 
Though I can imagine hearing that coupled with a more positive line isn't the most flattering way to gain attention, it still demonstrates that you have ability which most people don't commit themselves to. I still think it's better to receive that "hate" line than to not be recognized at all. Now if only people commented on my ability to slack off at my boring [censored] internship!... Let's not go there, LoL!
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My drawing ability comes from Mitochlorians in my cells...
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The dark side I sense in you. 'Midichlorians', it is spelled. Geekdom terminology, go uncorrected it must not.
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Actually mitochlorians are the little things inside our cells that convert sugars to energy.
Right? No wait that's mitochrondria. Dang.
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But yeah. It's kind of a backwards compliment when someone says "That's awesome! You suck! <sarcasm>" So I dunno. no one has given me one of those YET so I can't say how it feels.
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You have Talent, I hate you.
There, is that better? No , I do not hate Rowr, nor do I hate any person who has artistic talent developed to the point that they can draw more than stick figures well.
To put it another way. While, yes, if I were to draw a great deal, I could gain some degree of ability, but I will not be able to bring out the emotion, or the life that others can. Like a maestro, who can play a piano and bring out the meaning and can convey the feeling and intent of the composer, or let you feel the same from their interpretation, I cannot. Yes, I can play the notes, but the conveyance of feeling is not there, such as it is when others play. There is a cetain kernal in the midst of that talent, that is indefinable and unlearnable. It is a part of us. Not all have it. None can learn it. It is there, lying in us, waiting to be awaken when we put pen to paper, or finger to key, or even hand to wrench ( what? some of what mechanics do is an art unto it self), or mind to problem. Not everyone has a natural inborn talent to make life out of some art, but that is life. Those that can, we admire, watch, and enjoy their creations even while we may be jealous of thier ability. I believe it is a natural part of humanity.
I always thought of it , when someone says soemthing like that, it was meant as a compliment. I do not think they hate me, but rather are trying to express their jealousy, and a desire to have that talent. I would not say it personally, but I would not take it seriously when another says it, unless they were in person, and I could truely judge their intent.
And the best way to get people online to do something is to tell them to stop it.
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xenophon10k, I came back to read your post, and it has me blown away, in its literary nature and context... 
You're right, that is reality. You and I may never develop the soul that the musical greats (or any other extraodinarily talented individuals) possess to make them famous, BUT that shouldn't take away from our drive to learn something new and take what we can from that experience.
I am so with you when you say that naturally everyone has (or should have) "kernels" which can be awaken early on, or late life...and I'm always amazed to be able to witness someone unbury and produce fruit out of those kernels. Then again, there are others who aren't naturally gifted, and it can take these individuals' their entire lives to get to the point where Mr. or Ms. Genius reached at age 4. My point is that if one seeks to learn something, gives it everything he or she can, and sees consistent growth from beginning to end, wouldn't that still be significant in the least bit? On a personal scale, that would be quite the accomplishment . Not to refute your point, really xenophon10k; I loved reading your post.
If you have talent, then great! If you don't possess the natural ability you see in others, then also great! It's not a measure of your value as a person, but it is a measure of how much room you have for growth and if you put your mind to it...potential.
Xenophon's explanation is wonderful, but I see a more simple application. It's a term of endearment among [censored]. It's supposed to be funny.
"You look amazing. I hate you"
"Your boyfriend's a hottie. I hate you"
"You're going to Amsterdam? I...totally hate you"
Personally, I appreciate people who can be kind, funny, disarming and a little facetiously cruel all in one phrase. 'I hate you' has a lot of mileage in the right hands.
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xenophon10k, I came back to read your post, and it has me blown away, in its literary nature and context... You're right, that is reality. You and I may never develop the soul that the musical greats (or any other extraodinarily talented individuals) possess to make them famous, BUT that shouldn't take away from our drive to learn something new and take what we can from that experience.
I am so with you when you say that naturally everyone has (or should have) "kernels" which can be awaken early on, or late life...and I'm always amazed to be able to witness someone unbury and produce fruit out of those kernels. Then again, there are others who aren't naturally gifted, and it can take these individuals' their entire lives to get to the point where Mr. or Ms. Genius reached at age 4. My point is that if one seeks to learn something, gives it everything he or she can, and sees consistent growth from beginning to end, wouldn't that still be significant in the least bit? On a personal scale, that would be quite the accomplishment . Not to refute your point, really xenophon10k; I loved reading your post.
If you have talent, then great! If you don't possess the natural ability you see in others, then also great! It's not a measure of your value as a person, but it is a measure of how much room you have for growth and if you put your mind to it...potential.
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Absolutely, and I should have said it in my post, Reiko. While some may not have that kernal for piano it should not in any way lessen the desire for it, nor their efforts in trying to achieve. Even the work used in trying is not wasted, for it teaches dedication, and can be used and applied in other facets of life.
The drive to achieve is part of what makes us human as well. Giving up (EDIT and taking nothing away from the effort (/edit) is the sad part, not lack of achievement or ability.
Sorry it took me so long to get to this thread, as I was drawing
I do believe some people have talent which if tapped into can speed up their growth. I also believe that practice is a must when it comes to anything you want to do exceptionally well. I have been drawing for 22 years and like DarkJedi have never stopped or taken a break. Now the question there is: Did the fact that I have a smidgen of talent keep me interested, as opposed to a person that wouldnt consider themselves talented losing interest and doing something else? I do think that talent is genetic though. I happened to gravitate towards illustration and stick to it through out my lifetime, unaware that my estranged father of 12 years was an exceptional illustrator/painter. I dont think thats a coincidence.
Ok first off, these people are just kidding. I mean I hate you all equally... It's kind of a wierd way of saying great job I wish I could do that too, or had the patience to learn. I've said it a few times but that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit on my butt and complain. Y'all haven't inspired me to pick up art again. As a matter of fact my friend believes in me so much that he got a drawing book for my birthday today.
Now that said, there is a difference between practice and natural talent. It's pretty much fact that which side of the brain you use makes a huge impact on what you are talented or not talented in. I'm very artsy, whichever side that is, I have inherited my parents' music abilities and have enjoyed that very much. My father is a wonderful artist and I used to be in art class in middle school. Drawing didn't come as easily as music did so I took to music faster than art. This happens to a lot of people when they're young because they don't have as much patience as they do when they're older; so they do what's easiest.
Now I think anyone can do anything, I very much agree with that statement but there are some that can do so much more than others can just from natural ability. Me being a musician find that there are tons of people that can play a piece of music, but most of them are clones of what their teacher tell them to play. There are very few that like to take music and make it their own, which is what I do. That is exactly why I hate you artists that can draw exactly what you envision and I'm sure you'd hate me because I can make a piece of music sound exactly like I hear it in my head.
Honestly it's what you make of it. It takes a combination of the ability to do it from the start and the want to improve on that. And that is my view on this, take it as you will.
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Xenophon's explanation is wonderful, but I see a more simple application. It's a term of endearment among [censored]. It's supposed to be funny.
"You look amazing. I hate you"
"Your boyfriend's a hottie. I hate you"
"You're going to Amsterdam? I...totally hate you"
Personally, I appreciate people who can be kind, funny, disarming and a little facetiously cruel all in one phrase. 'I hate you' has a lot of mileage in the right hands.
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I hate you.
As someone who says this .. frequently first off.
If I have ever at anypoint offended someone by making them think I really hate them by saying "you have talent, I hate you" or any variation there of I humbly apologise I was merly trying to say I envy your talent and will most likely give you a commision if you make yourself available.
As far as the belief that picking up a pen and paper and drawing nonstop is going to give me talent. Dead Wrong.
Talent is just that its talent you dont train in it and some people are just wired to be artistic visualy. You can aquire a certain amount of skill through repeated practice you can discipline yourself to make something that doesnt suck.
I am 33 years old in the time since jr high I have taken courses on art, art history, art philosphy, Basic drawing techniques, Bought every how to book and scetch on a regualr basis. I am capable of creating a reasonable sketch given enough time but I am by no means talented. on the other side of it I do feel capable of saying to someone who draws something I like that I like it, however I want
There is such a thing as talant, and there is such a thing as practice. If there's no such thing as talant, then anyone could be an Einstein simply by reading a lot of physics books, and engineering and science schools would be graduating thousands of geniuses a year.
Practice will make someone better than they are, and it is true that if everyone here took art lessons and spent a number of hours a week on art, they'd get better at it. But there's some people who can do (what I consider to be) amazing art without any real education or practice at all, and with education and practice still remain ahead of their peers.
PC-ness aside, not everyone is equal. I wish I had a better art talent, and I'm jealous of those who do. But I do have a good head for math, and I know there's plenty of people who don't, so I'll take what I can get.
Hope you all don't mind my posting here, frequent reader first time poster... as the saying goes. The reason for the first time post was that it appears that the people who could draw seem convinced that anyone can learn, and those who are more graphically challenged tend to believe that this is not quite true. (I include myself within the second group.) Which probably means the truth is somewhere in between, which has also been mentioned. Practice will always make you better, the question becomes, is it enough to make it worth it.
I grew up in a scientific and very pragmatic family, which I have noticed as I get older, has affected my taste in art (If it's not a landscape or a masted ship, I probably won't like it). It has also made me very reserved, with little to no artistic outlets, other than cooking, but that's another story. I'd love to be able to draw well but have neither the time nor the inclination to practice, and as a result I'm slightly jealous (for about 2 seconds) of those that do draw well, when I see example here.
That being said, there are other things that make up for this, that frankly I would not trade for be able to draw; You need to locate these specific 55 trees within 10 cm in 100 hectares of forest, and it's raining and 35 degrees, I'm your guy. You want a sketch of those trees, well.... I'll bring a camera
Finally a thank you to all who post here, both artists and non-artists. This is one of my favorite sections of the boards, great art and sense of community. I was especially touched by the volunteers that created images for another viewer's son.
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i tend not to post in this tread mostly because what i'd end up saying is something along the lines of, "You have disposable income to spend on commissioned artwork, I hate you!" (my problem really, i don't fault anyone for it, won't mention it again).
but, back to the point, i think a person's ability to do something and do it well relies on a combination of talent and skill. a person with artistic talent who works hard to achieve a high level of skill will always be better than a person with writing talent who works hard to achieve a high level of skill in drawing.
i'm not trying to say that the writer shouldn't give up on learning to draw or shouldn't try. if it's what makes them happy, then they should go for it. like me, my talent is writing. i am, by no stretch of the imagination, mathematically or scientifically inclined. yet, one of my favorite things in the world is quantum physics (i blame Star Trek for that). do i understand the concepts and theories behind quantum physics? not by a long shot. am i going to give up trying to learn about quantum physics because i don't understand it? hell no.
P.S.-since i started reading this thread i've had a nagging urge to start writing a lot more than i currently do, maybe even do some lengthy stories about my main heroes/villains. we'll see what emerges from that.
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I say things like that all the time. I don't 'hate' the person, I just hate my hands and the fact that they can't create, only destroy!! *sob*
That is called SARCASM.
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I see stuff like this on these boards all the time. Am I the only one bothered by it?
Honestly, what the heck kind of compliment is this supposed to be? And where does this attitude even come from? Do people think that "talent" is some kind of elusive thing that is bestowed upon the chosen ones? Don't people realize that anyone can learn to draw? The reason that the best people on this board are the best is that they WORK at it. So it's like you're insulting their hard work.
Take one of my favorites, Jomaro Kindred. Now, I've been drawing a long time, have a degree in it, etc. But I don't think my super hero drawings are as good as Jomaro's. Why? Because the drawing gods have smiled upon him and not to me? NO! Because he DRAWS MORE THAN I DO. He has more patience with his artwork than I do. I pick at a drawing for a half hour and then move on to a 3d model and then I try to level my Mind/Psy Dom and then I watch Spongebob with my kids and then I might come back and pick at my drawing for another half hour. While I was doing all this, Jomaro was DRAWING. I try to tell this to my students all the time: being successful is mostly about how much you work. "Talent" accounts for a very small portion of your results and has more to do with how quickly you get better. It doesn't affect your "upper cap" as it were.
So let's cut the crap with the "You have talent. I hate you." stuff. If you REALLY want to draw, go get some pencils and paper, do a Google search for "drawing tutorials," go to the bookstore and get some books that look like they'll teach you what you want to know, and GET DRAWING!!! If you don't want to devote the kind of time that Jomaro and Doug Shuler and others devote to it, then just accept that you're not going to be as good as they are and stop hating on them for their hard work.
Seriously, what do others think about this? Am I overreacting?