Anyone remember the skill system? Cryptic? Do You?

On_Demand · 03-02-2006 08:18 PM

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I thought I saw a post earlier about the universities... damned if I can find it now...

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It's here.

Lady Athyna · 03-02-2006 08:38 PM

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I thought I saw a post earlier about the universities... damned if I can find it now...

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It's here.

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I <3 you...

On_Demand · 03-02-2006 08:49 PM

**Tips hat**

Mighty · 03-02-2006 09:26 PM

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Skills are shelved.

Inventions? :-)

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Can we invent skills?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Sleepy_Kitty · 03-02-2006 09:38 PM

A) No!

Q) can we invent cars/busses/vehicular traffic jams?

I am Sleepy! Hear me Yawn!!
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi!
-Alpha Kitty of the Guardian chapter of the Legion of Catgirls
Never forget--Sleepy could conquer the world, if she could just stay awake long enough. =) -Llanwe

Miss_Kitty · 03-02-2006 09:45 PM

........

::Starts whaping Sleepy on the head with her paws::

*Whapwhapwhapwhapwhapwhap*

>^n.n^<

Sleepy_Kitty · 03-02-2006 09:48 PM

o.o

*turns Miss_kitty into a Vegan Mallow*

^_^

I am Sleepy! Hear me Yawn!!
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi!
-Alpha Kitty of the Guardian chapter of the Legion of Catgirls
Never forget--Sleepy could conquer the world, if she could just stay awake long enough. =) -Llanwe

Mantid · 03-02-2006 09:51 PM

=O.o=

Do I side with the Legion or the Army? I'm so confused!!

Bountytaker · 03-02-2006 09:54 PM

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Skills are shelved.

Inventions? :-)

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Not to be a jerk, but....this is a perfect example of the kind of info drop that leads to the situation we had with the I7 preview. Back when I7's info was released, and the boards got slightly chaotic, I was trying to explain how I felt the way some designs were announced played a part in that reaction. This looks like an example of the bad method. When you hint and suggest multiple design ideas, even with little context and fanfare, people remember. They become rumor and hope and wishes. Eventually, if enough don't come through, a lot of people will feel it.

Basically, when you give this little bit of info, with no context, it creates tons and tons of speculation. People will start attaching suggestions for it, and speculate what issue it will be with.

Then, if it has to get shelved, or takes extremely long to come about, it'll get added to the list of things people are disappointed about. Eventually, the boards hit a breaking point and go haywire with doom and gloom and arguments.

Now, of course, the forum members have a responsibility too. We have to be wary of how and what we do with this info, and we shouldn't get carried away. Let's not assume and start dreaming of systems that may not even be in the opening stages. Take Statesman's statement at face value, no more.

Still, IMO, this is an example of a bad method of passing along info to the players, even if it is supposed to be fun.

Otherwise, I am intrigued by an invention system I also agree with those that are wary of a loot system.

Sleepy_Kitty · 03-02-2006 09:56 PM

o.O this is Miss_Kitty attacking me (unprovoked!!)

<.< doesn't have to do with either really...

I am Sleepy! Hear me Yawn!!
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi!
-Alpha Kitty of the Guardian chapter of the Legion of Catgirls
Never forget--Sleepy could conquer the world, if she could just stay awake long enough. =) -Llanwe

Mantid · 03-02-2006 09:58 PM

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o.O this is Miss_Kitty attacking me (unprovoked!!)

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Exactly my dilemma!!

Miss_Kitty · 03-02-2006 10:12 PM

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o.O this is Miss_Kitty attacking me (unprovoked!!)

<.< doesn't have to do with either really...

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::Continues whaping her..::

>^n.n^<

Mantid · 03-02-2006 10:15 PM

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o.O this is Miss_Kitty attacking me (unprovoked!!)

<.< doesn't have to do with either really...

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::Continues whaping her..::

>^n.n^<

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Awww... she looks so happy!

Even happier then when she beats me up!

Sleepy_Kitty · 03-02-2006 10:20 PM

*pulls out a pillow and Wapps Miss_Kitty*

>.< shouldn't you be stalking Pep?

I am Sleepy! Hear me Yawn!!
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi!
-Alpha Kitty of the Guardian chapter of the Legion of Catgirls
Never forget--Sleepy could conquer the world, if she could just stay awake long enough. =) -Llanwe

Miss_Kitty · 03-02-2006 10:34 PM

When I attack HER she doesn't do anything!

::Whaps her with a marshmallow::

Mantid · 03-02-2006 10:39 PM

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When I attack HER she doesn't do anything!

::Whaps her with a marshmallow::

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Yeah... and I usually just lie down and take it...

I'm such a wimp!

Sleepy_Kitty · 03-02-2006 10:47 PM

^^ I think she ment pep...

<.< I know where pep is hiding too

*wraps Miss_kitty up in a blanky, and dashes off*

I am Sleepy! Hear me Yawn!!
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi!
-Alpha Kitty of the Guardian chapter of the Legion of Catgirls
Never forget--Sleepy could conquer the world, if she could just stay awake long enough. =) -Llanwe

Squirrel_Mark1 · 03-03-2006 06:08 AM

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While I might be anti-crafting, I'm surprisingly pro-invention system.

I know it's just a change of one word, but with all the great inventors in comics (Tony Stark, Mr. Fantastic, Forge) it definitely fits in.

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Ditto ^^m I wouldn't like a normal 'loot' crafting system; but the way this invention thing sounds from everything I've heard about it up till now it sounds very very cool >< and very in-theme with CoH. (plus not a 'grind' like it is in so many games <x.x&gt

Total_Thunder · 03-03-2006 06:49 AM

I had this whole idea for an Archtype that would Invent things...but with what i've heard from here you've made it useless...

DrZeus · 03-03-2006 07:16 AM

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The question I asked Statesman via PM (sent January 13):

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Quick question about the status of skills, since it came up on the forums again...are they still under development or permanently shelved?

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His reply:

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Shelved.

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Seriously, is this so bad? How much wasted time have they thrown away on this idea? The sheer volume of work they must have done designing, programming, testing this system only to find out that all it accomplished was to make us EQ in tights... or a system that was broken... or just not fun...

We may want to consider that it's a good thing that they shelved the idea for now. It probably means they asked themselves this same question... "how much time are we willing to spend on this RIGHT NOW, and is it worth it". They coudl have just asked themselves this question and came up with the answer of... no, it's not worth it right now.

Would a skills system be awesome? Absolutely. But it's a matter of priority. They have dozens of things they want to add to this game, and this is only one of them. They can choose to take their time chasing this task on hopes and uncertainty, or go tackle some other projects that they KNOW will turn out well like new powersets, quality of life features that they're sure to actually work and the like.

Zeus - god of certainty

_Wolfen · 03-03-2006 07:31 AM

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While I might be anti-crafting, I'm surprisingly pro-invention system.

I know it's just a change of one word, but with all the great inventors in comics (Tony Stark, Mr. Fantastic, Forge) it definitely fits in.

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The problem is inventions fit one particular concept very well (tech) and suck for the rest. This will be great for 1-2 of my alts, but meaningless to the rest, and like many, I am all about concept.

Skills on the other hand are universal to all concepts.

I am indeed disappointed to see one subbed for the other

Nibb_Nibb · 03-03-2006 07:33 AM

This is my problem from the Skills/Invention situation; the whole reason I posed the question to begin with...

Skills were going to be the out-of-combat thing to do in Paragon City. When your Hero wanted to wind down a day of fighting, skills, in theroy, were the thinking man's fight. Way back in Issue Three, as well as very true even today, City of X has a glaring problem: It's either all combat, all the time or log out of the game. It has never moved past the one strength that it has.

So now Inventions are coming. From what I've read from the message boards, Gamespy interviews, etc, it's basically crafting. That's great! That's a wonderful out-of-combat thing to do! Except there seems to be a catch. From everything I've read so far, all the crafting uses Salvage. Normally this wouldn't be a huge issue, but getting the type of salvage you need by just going out and defeating MOBs is nearly impossible. Not only that, but they've slowed the Salvage drop rate so much, I'm only getting one or two pieces per hour soloing the next to hardest mission setting. And the one thing they should REALLY avoid is forcing a crafting-based system on Super Groups, leaving out the soloing crowd.

I'll, of course, have to wait until it comes out since currently this is mostly guess work piecing together knowledge that is out there. I just hope it's an out-of-combat system that everyone can take part in -- like Skills was supposed to be.

_Wolfen · 03-03-2006 07:41 AM

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::Starts whaping Sleepy on the head with her paws::

*Whapwhapwhapwhapwhapwhap*

>^n.n^<

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takes a large chomp out of all frolicing dumb (but tasty) kitties

LineN0iz · 03-03-2006 07:50 AM

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Skills are shelved.

Inventions? :-)

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Skills weren't supposed to be the Super Secret Out of Combat System, were they?

Is the SSOCS still coming? Looking forward to advancing my army of alts thru something OTHER than combat.

Oh! And inventions sound like a blast! w00t!

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Holy crap. I went away for over a year, and the SSOCS still hasn't come?

Satanic_Hamster · 03-03-2006 08:47 AM

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