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If they do than they will need to add to hit checks to every other auto hit power in the game IE taunt,repel. On the side of fairness and balence ofcourse.
In otherwords let them cry it aint going to happen.
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I thought taunt was 50% chance in pvp? I could see them making placate the same, or 75%. Something like that.
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Taunt's recharge is what... 1/10 of Placate's?
If they remove the auto hit from placate, they should also reduce its recharge time.
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If they remove the auto-hit, I not only demand a shorter recharge, but I demand it hit multiple targets like Taunt. I think people who complain about Placate's auto-hit forget that it's single target...
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I personally have never noticed "Hidden" appear when I placate. I know this for sure because when I solo elite bosses, I kill their minions first, after I finish off the minion I placate the EB, then I run away until I go into hide mode again, the whole time I'm looking at my buff bar waiting for "hidden" to show up. Then when I fight the EB, I use placate to get away after my attack chain, I run about 100 yds away, wait for "hidden" to show up, then go back for another round. YMMV of course.
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aye I can second this.. After using placate I dont ever remember seeing the words Hidden apear unless I wait 10 seconds..
See, now that's strange. I distinctly remember seeing it (it was 2 nights ago) after I placated a Council Galaxy boss. I'll have to see if someone in my SG that knows what they're doing can take a video on their stalker.
Placate (the power) has a couple of effects.
First, it applies Placate (the effect) to a single target. Any target that has the Placate effect on it cannot target the person who used the Placate.
Second, it applies a 'Hide Like' state, which is neither Hide, nor Stealth. It does allow for Stalker powers critical's, however.
It does not give any Defense bonus at all.
Other powers which can Placate (Smoke Flash) only apply the First part. The Hide like stat is not granted at all -- in other words, it is 100% defensive, not a Set Up power.
Can I ask then why you all did not give the placate skill a different name then placate the effect. If you call a hold a hold you expect it to do a HOLD calling a skill placate but it acts different then another placate makes it really confusing.
I as many have been were really disapointed when we discovered that smoke flash states it placates but does not work like the placate skill.
I think rewording the skills discription might help end this issue.
Just an Idea.
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Placate (the power) has a couple of effects.
First, it applies Placate (the effect) to a single target. Any target that has the Placate effect on it cannot target the person who used the Placate.
Second, it applies a 'Hide Like' state, which is neither Hide, nor Stealth. It does allow for Stalker powers critical's, however.
It does not give any Defense bonus at all.
Other powers which can Placate (Smoke Flash) only apply the First part. The Hide like stat is not granted at all -- in other words, it is 100% defensive, not a Set Up power.
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Thanks for clearing that up _Castle_ ! 
Other powers which can Placate (Smoke Flash) only apply the First part. The Hide like stat is not granted at all -- in other words, it is 100% defensive, not a Set Up power.
Perhaps it would help alleviate confusion if Placate (the power) had its name changed to something like Distract.
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So, Placate does a 'placate' and a 'hide-like set-up for a critical strke.' So, maybe a better name for this one-two power would be:
Placate Strike
Placate Set-up
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Other powers which can Placate (Smoke Flash) only apply the First part. The Hide like stat is not granted at all -- in other words, it is 100% defensive, not a Set Up power.
Perhaps it would help alleviate confusion if Placate (the power) had its name changed to something like Distract.
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(I PMed this to Castle when this issue of nomenclature previously came up)
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Can anyone explain to me how the Placate can force a Hide on me when I'm watching a fight in Fight Club?They wave their hand and I see the opponents head glow purple and they just disappear to me also.
No the Stalker was not within the Hide time limit. It happens a lot. So its not some random happening.
I would really like some clarification on this please.
It's like what _castle_ said - Placate (the power) does 2 things:
- it makes the opponent unable to target them for a bit. (This is the "status effect" called placate.
- it puts the caster into a "hide like state" for about 10 seconds. Hide-like in this case = can't see them, and they can do Assassin strikes out of it. (But they don't get the defense boost that the hide toggle grants.)
You lose track of them because of the 2nd part - Just imagine they did something very distracting (that hand motion! So distracting!) and you lost track of them.
So the forced Hide part of Placate works just like that? It forces the Stalker into a sort of Hide?
I thought it was like a trick against your foe? And just the foe that was Placated. Am I wrong on this?
The reason I ask is because I see a lot of the Stalkers post about Placate being single target but in my experience it works just fine against multiple foes.
The other point that people "forget" about with Placate is that it isn't a hold/sleep or a forget about everyone. I only makes the mob forget about the Stalker. So if you are in a group Placate is what I call an "Attack somone else key".
This may be good or bad but you have to remember as a Stalker that the second you use Placate the mob is going to attack a teammate. If the closest teammate is an almost dead squishy using Placate is a really stupid thing to do.
Placate is the potential for serious backfire if not used intelligently, but I have run into many people who don't even realize this possibility. Or people who just don't like grouping with Stalkers, they don't know why but they just seem to die a lot around them... hmmm. 
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Placate (the power) has a couple of effects.
First, it applies Placate (the effect) to a single target. Any target that has the Placate effect on it cannot target the person who used the Placate.
Second, it applies a 'Hide Like' state, which is neither Hide, nor Stealth. It does allow for Stalker powers critical's, however.
It does not give any Defense bonus at all.
Other powers which can Placate (Smoke Flash) only apply the First part. The Hide like stat is not granted at all -- in other words, it is 100% defensive, not a Set Up power.
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Then call the Placate effect Distraction. That's what it is doing... distracting the Mob from attacking the player.
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Nope, as I mentioned, and Castle reiterates, the hidden state that Placate the power confers has no stealth component associated with it. If you placate a target and you don't actually have the Hide power or any other stealth power running, you can clearly see that the hidden state has no stealth of its own; the placated target cannot target you, but anyone and everyone else can still see you fine (players and critters).
The definitive PvE test: find two critters close to each other but clearly in different spawns (so alarms from one won't aggro the other). Run up to the first one, and placate him, then quickly run up to the other one. The second one will definitely see you and attack, even if you still have the "hidden" green state in your console: that green "hidden" word has nothing to do with stealth or -perception.
If I were the devs, I would change the "hidden state" name and indicator to the "critical state" in name and in display indicator, because the "hidden" state doesn't actually mean you are hidden in any colloquial sense of the word, on top of renaming the power Placate to differentiate itself from the status effect Placate.
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Sorry everybody that was my nutsy wife. 
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Nope, as I mentioned, and Castle reiterates, the hidden state that Placate the power confers has no stealth component associated with it. If you placate a target and you don't actually have the Hide power or any other stealth power running, you can clearly see that the hidden state has no stealth of its own; the placated target cannot target you, but anyone and everyone else can still see you fine (players and critters).
The definitive PvE test: find two critters close to each other but clearly in different spawns (so alarms from one won't aggro the other). Run up to the first one, and placate him, then quickly run up to the other one. The second one will definitely see you and attack, even if you still have the "hidden" green state in your console: that green "hidden" word has nothing to do with stealth or -perception.
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"Second, it applies a 'Hide Like' state, which is neither Hide, nor Stealth. It does allow for Stalker powers critical's, however.
It does not give any Defense bonus at all."
The reason it is not Hide or Stealth is because both of these states have an inherent defensive component, which the Hide-Like(TM) effect doesn't have. That is the distinction he is making, as evidenced by the second sentence.
Your example regarding PvE is flawed, because you're not taking into account the effective level of invisibility granted by the Hide-Like(TM) effect (which is currently an unknown). Therefor, just as running up to a mob with insufficient stealth/invisibility/what have you will result in the mob seeing you once you pass a certain distance, so will running up to a mob with Hide-Like on. Once you get on a mobs aggro list, it will attack you through invisibility/stealth/etc, unless you Placate it.
Placate=jedi mind trick hence the hand wave :P
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Nah, its more like "Now you see me, Now you don't." Jedi Mind trick is for getting someone to do or say as you please.....kinda like when you order at Burger King and they ask you: "Large or King size?"..... I'll take the regular Medium size that you DIDN'T offer me oh Jedi apprentice. Nice try.
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Placate=jedi mind trick hence the hand wave :P
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Nah, its more like "Now you see me, Now you don't." Jedi Mind trick is for getting someone to do or say as you please.....
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You mean, like... "You haven't seen me. *wave*" ..?
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Sorry everybody that was my nutsy wife.
She'll be dealt with.
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Bwa Hahahahaha!
rofl... I didn't even notice those posts (seeing as I was doing a mission at the time of my last post). No offense to that guy, but man... "nutsy" isn't the right word. X_x;;... I know if my wife said something like that, she wouldn't be my wife. <_<;;; Luckily, she'd never say such a thing... cause she's usually playing a game. =P
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If they do than they will need to add to hit checks to every other auto hit power in the game IE taunt,repel. On the side of fairness and balence ofcourse.
In otherwords let them cry it aint going to happen.
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Taunt isn't auto hit in pvp.
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Its auto-hit, but will only affect 50% of the time. You won't see a "Miss" message from a taunt.
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