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hahaha, this is my favorite bit of the whole thread. They actually went ahead and did this one. It's called the Discussion of Issue 9 Inventions Feature forum.
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If I had been drinking from the toilet when I read this, I would have been killed!
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My hands hurt from beating that dead horse, MoG. I'm going to rest here for awhile with my Regen brothers and sisters and dream about Toggle IH.
Hmmmm! Toggle IH is like Thin Mints Girl Scouts cookies, I will always want them no matter how long its been since I had one last.? 
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I'm just waiting for someone to figure out how to make IH perma (effectively Toggle IH). I suspect that someone will try to make it happen or will make it happen.
If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
Virtue: multiple characters.
CoH/V: Woot! Maybe Fun is to be had once again.
Ack! RUN! Regen is glowing mean & green!
If it reduces you, it's a nerf.
If it buffs the mobs, it's challenge.
They are not the same.
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My hands hurt from beating that dead horse, MoG. I'm going to rest here for awhile with my Regen brothers and sisters and dream about Toggle IH.
Hmmmm! Toggle IH is like Thin Mints Girl Scouts cookies, I will always want them no matter how long its been since I had one last.?
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I'm just waiting for someone to figure out how to make IH perma (effectively Toggle IH). I suspect that someone will try to make it happen or will make it happen.
If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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Perma-IH...umm. No.
Perma 800%+ regen rate... No problem. (Well, it's not quite that easy, but I think it's possible.)
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
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If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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You know, I was just thinking about that... how / why the heck are scrappers - followers of the 6 second rule, inventors (and best implementors) of scrapper-lock, the epitome of whirling dervishes of mass descruction - some of (If not the most) methotical and scientific about game mechanics and build creation.
Ladies and gentlemen, that does not make sense!
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If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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You know, I was just thinking about that... how / why the heck are scrappers - followers of the 6 second rule, inventors (and best implementors) of scrapper-lock, the epitome of whirling dervishes of mass descruction - some of (If not the most) methotical and scientific about game mechanics and build creation.
Ladies and gentlemen, that does not make sense!
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I was thinking about that today. The Scrapper forum is ALWAYS the best place for information on how to create broken builds. There's more doom-free information on Inventions here than on the darn Inventions forum.
It's not because Scrappers are the strongest AT. That honor belongs to Controllers.
I think it's because Scrappers don't have any of the nonsense drama the other ATs have. No "anti-healer" vendettas, no "we have a crappy inherent" stuff. Scrappers own and so we spend our time on trying to make them OWN HARDER!
Controllers do too I guess, but without Pilcrow their heart doesn't seem to be in it.
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My hands hurt from beating that dead horse, MoG. I'm going to rest here for awhile with my Regen brothers and sisters and dream about Toggle IH.
Hmmmm! Toggle IH is like Thin Mints Girl Scouts cookies, I will always want them no matter how long its been since I had one last.?
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I'm just waiting for someone to figure out how to make IH perma (effectively Toggle IH). I suspect that someone will try to make it happen or will make it happen.
If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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Perma-IH...umm. No.
Perma 800%+ regen rate... No problem. (Well, it's not quite that easy, but I think it's possible.)
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Perma 800%, I haven't figured out yet. Boosting reconstruction into the stratosphere, that one is possible (all that +Heal and +Recharge).
I think I can get to about 650% total regen, though, and perma-DP. Also, the equivalent of about 700% regen with reconstruction's heals. That's like 1700% regen without any DP or recon, which just grazes the lower edge of the non-DP non-recon pre-I5 regens.
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My hands hurt from beating that dead horse, MoG. I'm going to rest here for awhile with my Regen brothers and sisters and dream about Toggle IH.
Hmmmm! Toggle IH is like Thin Mints Girl Scouts cookies, I will always want them no matter how long its been since I had one last.?
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I'm just waiting for someone to figure out how to make IH perma (effectively Toggle IH). I suspect that someone will try to make it happen or will make it happen.
If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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Perma-IH...umm. No.
Perma 800%+ regen rate... No problem. (Well, it's not quite that easy, but I think it's possible.)
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Perma 800%, I haven't figured out yet. Boosting reconstruction into the stratosphere, that one is possible (all that +Heal and +Recharge).
I think I can get to about 650% total regen, though, and perma-DP. Also, the equivalent of about 700% regen with reconstruction's heals. That's like 1700% regen without any DP or recon, which just grazes the lower edge of the non-DP non-recon pre-I5 regens.
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Well finding out there are unique (as in you can only have one) IOs likely breaks my 800% build and my much easier to attain 650% build. On the bright side, I'm looking at a stupid amount of toxic resists which makes sense for a regen.
What's really screwy to me is that there is so little SM, LE resists either as set bonuses or as AEEs (added effect enhancers).
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
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If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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You know, I was just thinking about that... how / why the heck are scrappers - followers of the 6 second rule, inventors (and best implementors) of scrapper-lock, the epitome of whirling dervishes of mass descruction - some of (If not the most) methotical and scientific about game mechanics and build creation.
Ladies and gentlemen, that does not make sense!
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Scrappers own the hardest and we all figured that out while the noobs were playing with their hacked smoke grenade! 
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
Holy necromancy Batman! I think EvilGeko should be renamed NecroGeko for this one!
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Holy necromancy Batman! I think EvilGeko should be renamed NecroGeko for this one!
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Nope there was an open question (By you no less) that needed comment.
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If there is a way to break the system, the clever and ingenious minds of the Scrapper forum will figure it out.
All because we scrappers (especially us green glowing types) are smart AND good looking.
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You know, I was just thinking about that... how / why the heck are scrappers - followers of the 6 second rule, inventors (and best implementors) of scrapper-lock, the epitome of whirling dervishes of mass descruction - some of (If not the most) methotical and scientific about game mechanics and build creation.
Ladies and gentlemen, that does not make sense!
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I was thinking about that today. The Scrapper forum is ALWAYS the best place for information on how to create broken builds. There's more doom-free information on Inventions here than on the darn Inventions forum.
It's not because Scrappers are the strongest AT. That honor belongs to Controllers.
I think it's because Scrappers don't have any of the nonsense drama the other ATs have. No "anti-healer" vendettas, no "we have a crappy inherent" stuff. Scrappers own and so we spend our time on trying to make them OWN HARDER!
Controllers do too I guess, but without Pilcrow their heart doesn't seem to be in it.
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I could make a half-hearted attempt at posting how badly gimped Dark Armor is. It'll be like old times.
Except when I say "Dark Armor" here, I'll really post "Regeneration" there.
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Holy necromancy Batman! I think EvilGeko should be renamed NecroGeko for this one!
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Nope there was an open question (By you no less) that needed comment.
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You mean, like, the very question that was answered (by you no less) earlier?
(I still think NecroGeko has a catchy ring to it...)
I don't know about you guys, but with a fully IO'ed out regen, I feel pretty dang tough again.
IO's FTW!
errr, also deep pockets ftw....
I've seen numbers that suggest permanent DP is possible, but I'm not yet rich enough to see it for myself. Still, I'm slavering at the bit to give it a try.
How far away are we, in straight numbers, from being able to hit permanent IH? I'm assuming that picking the right primary will be important for slotting specific types of sets that give more regen bonus, like maybe broadsword's parry for LOTG-set or some such.
Heh... Buff invuln.
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I've seen numbers that suggest permanent DP is possible, but I'm not yet rich enough to see it for myself. Still, I'm slavering at the bit to give it a try.
How far away are we, in straight numbers, from being able to hit permanent IH? I'm assuming that picking the right primary will be important for slotting specific types of sets that give more regen bonus, like maybe broadsword's parry for LOTG-set or some such.
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Well, you can't get something below 20% of its base recharge. So for IH, that's 1000/5 = 200s. That's still nearly two minutes of downtime.
Assume you slot with 6 level 50 IOs. That's 118.16% after ED. Add 70% from Hasten. Add another 85% from IOs. That's still only 273.16%. Add that to the base and you're still 130% away from the recharge cap. You'd need a couple Speed Boosts.
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So if there's a hard cap on recharge reduction, that would mean that even if there were an infinite amount of recharge reduction availalbe, it could never be permanent, yes?
Stupid_Fanboy, make me a spines/regen build.
Fill it with awesome.
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I've seen numbers that suggest permanent DP is possible, but I'm not yet rich enough to see it for myself. Still, I'm slavering at the bit to give it a try.
How far away are we, in straight numbers, from being able to hit permanent IH? I'm assuming that picking the right primary will be important for slotting specific types of sets that give more regen bonus, like maybe broadsword's parry for LOTG-set or some such.
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Well, you can't get something below 20% of its base recharge. So for IH, that's 1000/5 = 200s. That's still nearly two minutes of downtime.
Assume you slot with 6 level 50 IOs. That's 118.16% after ED. Add 70% from Hasten. Add another 85% from IOs. That's still only 273.16%. Add that to the base and you're still 130% away from the recharge cap. You'd need a couple Speed Boosts.
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SF, are you sure about that? I could've sworn the recharge of IH was much lower than that. Memory and MIDs (can't access CoD atm) tell me the base recharge on IH is 650. So at the recharge cap, it'd be 130 seconds, or 40 seconds of downtime.
forty seconds of downtime is certainly more liveable, if it can drop that low. It's a shame it won't go all the way down to zero seconds of down time like Dull Pain will.
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I've seen numbers that suggest permanent DP is possible, but I'm not yet rich enough to see it for myself. Still, I'm slavering at the bit to give it a try.
How far away are we, in straight numbers, from being able to hit permanent IH? I'm assuming that picking the right primary will be important for slotting specific types of sets that give more regen bonus, like maybe broadsword's parry for LOTG-set or some such.
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Well, you can't get something below 20% of its base recharge. So for IH, that's 1000/5 = 200s. That's still nearly two minutes of downtime.
Assume you slot with 6 level 50 IOs. That's 118.16% after ED. Add 70% from Hasten. Add another 85% from IOs. That's still only 273.16%. Add that to the base and you're still 130% away from the recharge cap. You'd need a couple Speed Boosts.
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SF, are you sure about that? I could've sworn the recharge of IH was much lower than that. Memory and MIDs (can't access CoD atm) tell me the base recharge on IH is 650. So at the recharge cap, it'd be 130 seconds, or 40 seconds of downtime.
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Its still 650 seconds recharge, 90 seconds uptime.
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why the [censored] do i think it's 1000?
damnit.
That goes to show how much i actually need to use that power anymore. Friggin nerfs.
which is, of course, ironic since I'm complaining about changes that mean I do very well with the rest of the set on its own. =)
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so the numbers are this then.
650/5 = 130s
that's 40 seconds of downtime, if you have the kins to back you up. and readlly, if you're gonna carry around two defenders in your pockets, just take Empathy and make them alternate AB and RA. Those are as strong as IH on their own, and recharge faster too.
Level 50 is a journey, not a destination.
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Man, no awesome-filled build for me?
Don't I have enough work planning out my dark scrapper and defender?
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I said:I think Aracana should have an SR lounge for somewhere to post all her crazy ideas that the devs will never look at.
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EG said:I agree. If you're going to be ignored and shunned at least you should be comfortable.
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hahaha, this is my favorite bit of the whole thread. They actually went ahead and did this one. It's called the Discussion of Issue 9 Inventions Feature forum.
ah hahahhahahaha
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Poor Arcana. Invul is on the cusp of reclaiming its spot on top of the Scrapper secondaries and little SR still will be lonely.
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Because always on 45% defense isn't a good thing...?
(I'm torn on Invuln getting some of its old glory back... I don't think I could deal with them nerfing Quantum.
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It is, but it's really easier to just agree with Arcana about SR being screwed. Like I said a week or so ago, even if you're right, she won't admit it.
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