Prestige, SG Mode and Bases

It's not like there's an actual competition going on between SGs. The whole base-building thing is optional, after all. Complaining that you are in a small or solo SG is silly, since its practically trivial to get into a non-solo one (antisocial varieties of personality disorders preventing it notwithstanding). Just post something on your server board, saying what kind of SG you are looking for, and you'll probably get multiple invites.

As far as those SGs that have had to split into two or more parts, it would be a very nice solution if those limits could be expanded to more reasonable numbers, before or concurrent with the prestige system going live.

-Haldur

Off topic, and out of curiosity, what is the Supergroup roster limit?

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<[CS]Zeb> One thing about Prestige is as you get higher, it becomes a trade-off betwee Prestige or Influence. As you get more of the first, you get less of the second. So there are times you'll want to change to or from SG mode instead of being in it all the time.

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As an SG leader, I was happy when I first heard of a separate SG currency from influence, which is an individual's currency. I didn't want to have to mediate any kind of discussion over who's contributing more to the SG, who needs to sacrifice more, etc. etc. When I heard the possibility that players wouldn't be asked to choose between advancing their individual toons and their SG's, I was pretty happy to hear it.

Now, hearing that there is a trade-off. I am a little dissappointed. I never want to be put in that position of having to tell someone "your group-mates think you're not contributing your share to the base, you're going to have to curtail your personal development in favor of the group's needs." Making a trade-off has the potential to create some serious non-fun.

Actually, "disappointed" is too strong a word at this point. Cautiosly concerned seems more like it - we don't have enough details about Prestige to really make any kind of judgements at this point, IMHO.

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Off topic, and out of curiosity, what is the Supergroup roster limit?

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75 I believe.

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Well reports out of Gencon indicate that Lord Recluse himself may have said otherwise as detailed in this thread.

So did the fan get the info wrong or did Lord Recluse hand out bad information? Just asking ...



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I remember that post also. I thought it was important to point out how hard it would be for them to gather that kinda data and does make things fair between hero and villian.

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I would like to point out something I strongly believe.

IMO, they will not datamine and award pestige for being in SG mode before CoV.

I believe as the badges were too much of an undertaking for this staff, this would be also.

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It's already been confirmed that they have been actively recording SG mode usage and prestige aquisitions, since probably Issue 4.

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No. We have NOT been recording SG mode since ANY issue. I will also confirm that NO datamining will be happening (for exactly the reasons given above).

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PWNED!!

there should be someway for the SG leader to know how much Prestige each member is getting for the SG whether or not its pooled or not the sg leader AND the member need to know who is being valuable as far as prestige goes for the sg. as the whole point is supposed to be to keep the SG toghether.

I still think a buy in on the first month would be a nice thing.. I mean common to work this hard to get all this inf. and never use it.. please.. i have a toon with 200 mill on him and i have like been holding that with a vision of the SG HQ and now its worthless.. i would like to be able to use it for something.. so a ratio of maybe 3 or 5 to 1 would be nice.. plus how are we going to pass prestige to the builder of the HQ.. i mean a 99999 at a time now is killing me when i try and pass inf to one of my lowbies. so is there a way to pass more for this.. or a better way of storing it.. also my SG has alts in other sub SGs how are we going to get the 2 toons to give to one HQ and lastly what about coalitions are they able to help give and contribute so that your coalition can build the one uber HQ. these are some of the questions I have yet to hear a answer to .. so if anyone knows anything .

Gamina

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i have a toon with 200 mill on him and i have like been holding that with a vision of the SG HQ and now its worthless

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That why they wont let us use influence because most SG have at LEAST one rich character and they cant balance prices of SG off of this amount.

It makes it unfair for the villians in CoV if we in CoH can have mega influence to make a mega (with defense mind you) base. The villians will not have this 'leg up' on their bases like CoH would.

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Off topic, and out of curiosity, what is the Supergroup roster limit?

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75 I believe.

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85, my SG has been pushing the limit constantly. We decided to add an sg to our Coalition for the 50's. so right now we have a grand total of 4 50's in the SG...

Will Coalitions be able to share bases or will things be messy where each part of the Coalition get's its own base and "round table" discussions will be done in a place outside the base?

Last I heard it was SG members and not coalition members.

I realize that everyone wants their base built and furnished yesterday, and that you want something to do with the piles and piles of Influence you've accumulated over the past few months, but it's completely unbalanced to allow long term characters the opportunity to trade in their Influence for Prestige.

Remember that Prestige is acquired in place of Influence while fighting in Supergroup mode. This might not mean much for a level 50 Hero with 200 million Influence, but for a level 10 Villain with 5,000 Influence, fighting in Supergroup mode is a huge sacrifice. Low-level Villains who do everything in their power to help get their bases built will do so at the cost of their own advancement.

So even if the transfer rate were 1000 : 1 there's still a huge advantage to being able to acquire 100% Influence, without worrying about Prestige, for 50 or even 25 levels. It's far more fair to start everyone off with 0 Prestige and make them earn their bases through the normal methods. People in CoV are going to be starting out with enough of a handicap already.

still questions about how that other toons you have are given permission to join plus i think that coalitions need access as well.. i think an idea about a slide rule for how much prestige to inf would be a nice bonus.. cause sorry added up all my inf on my account i have a total of 300 mil of inf on my one account.. really dont need inf for the time being so all my work wouold go to the SG HQ.. just a die hard fan of the game who would like to really be ready for this aspec of it.. i think i am more excited about this than about CoV.. only getting the game since they say you need it in order to have a HQ.. most of my sg is right now gearing up to play.. but i think with the lack of heroes that is going to occur the first month or 2 due to all the attention on the other side i really dont think any one sg is going to be ready for the HQ to be developed..

Gamina

lvl 50 SGHQ builder

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No. We have NOT been recording SG mode since ANY issue. I will also confirm that NO datamining will be happening (for exactly the reasons given above).

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Thanks Positron! Excellent news!

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How is that good news? It means that until the prestige system goes in, nobody is earning any and an SG that's been around since Day 1 has to start from scratch just like a brand new SG just made to get a small base.

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There's a difference between an SG at day 1 and an SG that started when the game went live: The number of high level characters! If it is a toss up between earning influence and Prestige, who will that affect more? Lower levels who are trying to get over the 35-40 hump or the SG with 7 or 8 level 50s who do Shadow Shard TFs for fun?

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Darn, was hoping this was not gonna happen This is actually a con for buying CoV.

Forcing a player to be part of a SG to utilize a BIG portion of the new content is not good. Pretty sure that creating a 1-man SG will not generate enough prestige to finance a base. This is actually forced grouping which I believe several of the devs had said would not be implemented.

So casual players who was looking forward to building a base, you just got Pwnd!!111!!!

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Not true. I was in an SG that I co founded with 5 others (two of which were siblings) the SG had over 20 active players in it.

Becuase the SG tended to powerlevel excessively, and I didnt like to pling (it bores me) I never teamed with anyone in my SG.

I teamed with pick ups and many of those became regular teaming friends. I eventually left my SG (about 3 months after its creation) to start a new one with the regulars I teamed with.

Whats my point? If I can be in an SG for 3 months and never team with them, then it simply can not be forced teaming to be in and SG.

"The one thing that can stop a full team of MasterMinds dead in its tracks... a doorway!" --Frogfather

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85, my SG has been pushing the limit constantly. We decided to add an sg to our Coalition for the 50's.

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I want to clear up some misconceptions. First, the SG member cap is 75. Coalitions are for chatting only, they have no other purpose. The will not be able to share prestige and can not build bases together. A little birdie at Cryptic informed me of this.

Next, I'm also told that prestige will be earned at a constant rate regardless of character level. Level 5 or 50 doesn't matter.

There will be "rent" every month on your bases. Bigger and more complex base=more building costs and rent.

Large, complex bases will be VERY expensive. Small SGs will be able to afford small, simple bases. Only large and active SGs will be able to afford to build and maintain big bases.

Only your toons in your SG earn prestige for your SG. Alts outside the SG do not.

What does this all mean? First, smaller SGs will probably combine in game to be able to participate in larger raids and certainly to build nicer bases. Who wants a one room basement to share?

I've been trying hard to get the SG member cap removed. If we don't, your going to find that either there's no room for you in the SG you want to join or there's only room for one character. If you play an alt outside the SG, you won't be earning anything toward your base.

So, you may be in a small group now, and that's OK. But, you may find yourself wanting to be part of a larger group so that you can hav an impressive base to hang out in. Make sure there's enough room for you and the alts you play regularly by asking to have the SG member cap lifted.

I just happened across something that may partly answer the 'what the hell are we meant to spend our Influence on' question:

'there will probably be a hefty fee to schedule a raid'

So saith Lord Recluse.