rian_frostdrake

I dunno if its hate, usually hate in mmo communities is either overstating a case or just resisting change, but people play games for different things, and I think that people who went to this game for the expansive character creator and liked making in depth character backstories that weren't contradicted by the ingame canon(much) dcou is kind of limiting. the initial character costume selections are very limited and honestly after playing a martial arts/plant hero who switched quest-lines but was primarily wonder woman themed up to level 17, I still couldnt make a basic martial arts costume...its more that it doesn't address the specific hook of a lot of players here, rather than that it doesn't have any value. its a fun dynasty warriors style smash em up and if you are in the spandex or death crowd, making a monstrous character is fiendishly difficult(now you can make a person wearing a dog or cat fur-suit, or with funny skin, but no tails or monstrous body details for the majority of characters), so you wont have to worry about that.

So yeah, no real hate for dcou, if coh goes down, then I'll have to compromise, but one thing that coh and co have that pretty much no other game on the market has, a really detailed costume creator right out of the game that really frees you from the general shape limitations of your character's "race".

to illustrate, back when coh came out, someone made a sig pic with their character in co and coh, i thought it would be funny to do the same in dcou, welll, rian is a blue skinned human male with a tail and dragon horns who generally wears some form of an armored martial arts themed outfit as his main outfit. in beta, i could at least have a tail, but then in the live game, you had to take one of the full animal looks to have one, and there were no dragon-like bodies there. then there really werent any of the folded tops or convincing wide legged pants for a martial arts outfit.

i finally just decided to give it up, I simply could not make my character in dcou. but he transferred to CO with ease, and since they allowed you to put horn details on beast heads, Rian's "full dragon" look looks even better than his coh one. now the martial arts animations are...a mixed bag compared to coh, actually the martial arts animations in dcou , while occasionally too pro wrestling, are the better of the three, but stacked on a costume I dont like and with an intrusive backstory, it fell to number 3 for me.

Now one thing people should remember. if you preferred playing a villain to a hero, then you have no choice, co is heroes only, so dcou or bust there.

taken and...templar. yeah, that was soem very good presentation for the quiz.
have to admit, looked at the youtubes for fist weapons and chaos and in the same boat as tenzhi. I tend to play unarmed, monk type characters primarily to see visually stimulating animations, particularly lots of kick animations and not really feeling what I saw.

at this point I have given up becoming spider man, and am working towards Gandalf myself

yep, read this this afternoon before heading out or i'd have posted it up myself. I'll admit that it definitely helps resolve to get these little dispatches from the front line. and the mention of several things having to fall into place kind of explains why thus far there hasn't been any official news, the logistics are still being worked out. Its still a long and uncertain road though.

why bother?

if i recall meridain 59 was given an 8 year reprieve by the developers buying it and housing a server under their staircase in their house. ok, apparently it still exists under the leadership of a different pair of developers. Also, istaria was bought twice by their developers (first as tulga and then as vitruim) to keep it afloat after atari and E.I. looked like they were going to kill them. that is why I am watching the brian clayton thing so intently, there is precedent.

nah man, it aint you dying you have to worry about, that's the easy bit. its people you care about, that's the part that drives it home, pets, family, spouses, friends you can either isolate yourself from everything and experience a bland, grey life of no personal attachments, or you can trade the happiness of interaction with the inevitable pain of closeness. And its not just death, divorce, losing jobs, sometimes its watching a friend you got along with for years destroy himself and his family on drugs and alcohol, or even better, when they dont do anything wrong and life just deals a bad hand. that's the real fun of it.

that is life. its not for naught if it was enjoyable while you were doing it. plus they arent exactly gone, I still carry forward characters i made in phantasy star online, they get reinterpreted and continue with you as part of your imagination.

See, i guess that is where we diverge. Coh was not, even at its strongest a massive publisher drawing hit, it was solid and dependable and had quirks that endeared it to a modest but devoted core of fans. it was a niche. other attempts to go into that niche gained little traction and did (supposedly) poorly with co and dcou.

Call me crazy, but I'm less than hopeful that a publisher would step up in the current gaming environment and give a reformed paragon studios the time and needed cash to make a competitive superhero themed mmo. Nor do I think that a portion of the fanbase old follow to a new game. For all the talk of loyalty, a lot of the fanbase was intensely particular about features in coh, and i suspect even slight changes that may well be improvements from a technical perspective wouldnt drive off a lot of players who want "their" characters back, unchanged and as they wanted them.

I know getting ncsoft to give whatever paragon employees rallied behind brian clayton is a very long shot, but for me, the pieces of your scenario are a lot more tenuous. Avengers notwithstanding (and that had a lot of external things that helped it do as well as it has) I just dont see a huge hunger in the general gaming community for superheros, And the coh community can be fantastically brittle when change happens, so this is the area where I have to be the pessimist about your "spiritual successor" scenario.

oh, i know the why, it still just makes playing them less pleasurable.

plus, its less that the five (well six, kormir went all tiber septim) have left, they according to the stuff on the gw2 site, have stepped back to allow their children to gain greater self reliance, a trope that is common in fantasy and i wont dwell on my feelings towards it, but they still have some interaction in the various human skills up tot he point you can become an avatar of one of the 6 with an elite skill.

but its less that i dont get it in the lore, its just lore that i dislike. it always struck me that in games where intelligent races have any diplomatic relations, outliers would develop as interactions would lead to sympathies for the worldviews of other races, and while I understand that writing stories for all outliers would be impossible, the game tends to fill a lot of characterization blanks in for you, and i find myself disliking my own character, despite loving his look. Like i said, i can content myself hopping around like yoda with my asuran crazy person

i don't know about your definition of bloodthirsty, but have to disagree that the carr arent, they i recall overhearing discussions about one char having a problem with a younger one, and the solution was to beat him up and scar him so that he learns. The repair merchants threaten to kill you. te whole blood legion starter quest shows that rytlock solves disputes with arena violence rather than investigating your claims against your warbrand leader. I dunno, seems a pretty violent society to me.

any game will have bugs, and co was running a lot leaner on gms than coh. but if you play mmos, you get thick-skinned to bugs really.

Its true, and the heating bills are through the ROOF because of it. brrr..