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They couldn't because the new players that post here didn't know what a good build was.

Hrm, I'm gonna bet (hope/ pray) there is a macro to just kill one pet by name or something. If so then they need to change it where targeting a pet will automatically kill it and convert it. Which would make more sense. Suggestion and Idea forum here I come.

I think your TA issue is the player and not the set. Well in reality it is the Devs fault.

Once you play this game for a bit you start to learn you have 2 choices when making a build. One you make the build based around your RP or your story if you have any and dam the numbers of min and maxing or two you make the story around your build. I used to do the first but eventually learned if you want to do incredible and amazing things you have do the second. This is why my TA / Arch Range cap hover blasting defender can solo 4/8. This also why when I ever PvP and I fight someone like myself I have the most fun because we are 2 schmucks using PvE builds to fight PvP. The fights last much, much longer and its that much more fun. Best one was my AR Device fighting another AR Device.

In today's game on a team of 8 all you need is 1 or 2 maxed out toons. Everyone else is just helping those 2 players kill stuff faster. But if you lost half the team in the middle of the mission it would have no affect as long as you had those 2 maxed out players.

Which I guess is my con/dislikes

That you can't really make the toon you like without affecting the performance of the toon.

That PvP is based around PvP builds.

That players have no clue about game mechanics but are quick to tell you how bad your build is.

That players have no clue that my petless mm build is 100x better then my 2nd SO build with full pets build. That just seeing the pets prevents anyone from looking any further.

That you can't pick one glove or one shoulder or that you cant add stuff to upper legs or upper arms in the costume creator.

That some stuff in the costume creator are just made for 8 foot tall large body builds and do not size well with smaller builds.

Likes

That I can solo 4/8 on my petless mastermind which is fully incarnated

That I can post a petless mastermind build and drive players into a furry and insanely mad with insults how gimped it is. But they fail to recognize that most players can't solo 0/4 with their builds.

That I intend on doing it with another MM toon just to upset people again.

It is refreshing to see someone who understands it.

They could have just made it where you get extra XP and incarnate XP if you use devices if they wanted to falsify the popularity of devices.

This "improvement" to devices is so corporate it's laughable.

What's the saying ? A pig in a dress is still a pig..

Yea I think you jumped the gun here as well. Your 6 levels below your target that matters as well. Is the Pylon lvl 50 ? Or is it designated as something higher or tougher like a EB,AV or GM ?

First off I want your account because you can have a Beam/DEVICE Corruptor. (I know you meant Traps)

But kidding aside, the issue is hovering you loose out on everything else. You cannot place Triage beacon, Trip mine, Poison Traps, Caltrops Acid Mortar and honestly I don't know if you can summon FFG as well. End result your stuck with web grenade and seeker drones.

The super great thing about Traps is any Arch Type that can use Traps can be defense capped. Believe it or not but the another great thing about Traps is it allows you to place Trip mines at will when defense capped. Crashless mini nuke every 7 seconds at your disposal. Dots will screw you up, but overall it can be done.

Having BUNCH of Traps toons I can tell you that you can solo 4/8 with just Traps alone, and I do mean just Traps and no other powers. Now for general speed most players that can solo 4/8 will usually run 3/8 or 2/8. On Tip missions I run 2/6 and zip to the end to complete and then work backwards to the door to get another tip mission to drop.

End result Traps allows you defense cap so I see no reason why it should not be obtained. Further recharge is Traps friend which again can be accomplished as well with a Traps build. As can be seen by the builds Attack powers are picked and slotted as well. So it is not like your going for Traps, defense cap and recharge and no attack powers or no attack power slotting for damage.

Traps is truly a win / win set for any player who understands the set.

I will agree but I just find it odd that they make all these 4 legged vanity pets for sale and that new stealth panther power. I feel Cinderella in the sense that I'm told it can't be done for ME, but I see you do these things for someone else. Now granted 1 pet is not 6, but its like giving me a taste it can be done but not ever doing it.

Further I like what Joe_Dynamo said about mad scientist pet and steampunk robots. Steam punk popped into my head for Traps set.

I don't know if I am talking out of my backside but I would imagine that if I had to make a choice between making a new power set and a new look OR just making a new look for a power that I would find it a much easier choice to just deal with a new look option.

That being said wouldn't having a different pet choices for each mastermind kick up interest in masterminds, which is a pay to play set.

I would purchase different pet options if it was on the market.

About 50-60 people disagreed with you but yet another 50-60 ended up agreeing.

Man I want to be the teacher in some college teaching power creeping.



LOL, very accurate response. Even if I can't see what that person posted or what you responded too. (that person is on ignore)

I agree with you 99% of the time, but this is that 1% I guess.

I think your using the Pylon thread to equate to single target attack invigoration when its been around much longer then the idea to implement this sniper idea. Further it's a way to determine DPS and nothing more. Nothing is telling anyone they can't test out AOE attacks against a pylon and post the results or start a AOE Pylon thread. That wouldn't infer a upsurge of AOE attacks. It would just infer players interested in having the best AOE chain.

But being an avid forum reader myself I have not read about this shift from AOE to Single target attacks. To me in actuality I read the opposite from the builds that people post. Its all about AOE

With the ability to solo 4/8 I think it's just common sense and nothing more to slot for AOE to kill a bunch of mobs faster. It's not Trash to use single target attacks but it is a bit nuts to attempt to solo 4/8 on just single target attacks. Again nothing make it wrong either, that is the whole point of the game. You do what you want with your account. So though I would never do it. I would be impressed that someone took the time to do it, just to see if they can as a goof.

A smart player will pick up both and slot them accordingly. But at the end there are only 96 slots so you need to pick what is good for your build type.

I think your twisting it a bit around because the sub debate is aoe vs single target. BUT I do agree why even change it because it is useless or of no great improvement to many builds. Personally I would rather use Aim and build up on firing 2 AOEs that will kill everything then 1 target.

As for it mattering to someone, well I think that is irrelevant in the sense out of everything that many players have posted about suggestions and ideas this is the one idea I honestly didn't see posted anywhere and honestly there were some great ideas posted by many players over the years and in the recent months. Again I might have missed it being posted. But I think the issue was much more then snipes.

End result, I know you players suggested choices A,B,C,D or E but we the Devs have choice F for you. Enjoy..

But as it is being debated AOE vs Single target against a AV. If you were killing the AV before this proposed change what exactly does this change do for you ? Kill it faster maybe ? I guess it matters if your the kind of player that has to kill off a AV before heading to work to start the day off right or something. But beyond that there does come a point where killing faster just is irrelevant when dealing with a AV type mob. I think most would agree killing a AV solo is an impressive feat regardless if you did it with or without snipe changes.

As was mentioned the 2/8 numbers is difficulty settings. There is a NPC that allows you to set how tough your mission settings on. The first number 2 would refer to the levels beyond your level they would be and reflect across the board including bosses respectively. The 8 number refers to how many people you would be equal to. So in that 2/8 setting your mobs would be 2 levels higher and you would be equal to 8 players for the number of mobs that appear in a mission. The highest level you can go is +4 and you can also pick if you want AVs or not in missions. As you know in some missions at the end you have AVs. So fighting an AV solo might not be an easy task for some even though they can solo on the highest setting of 4/8. So you can say NO AV at this NPC also.

Now that being said I completely understand what your saying about the 10 year old and the rest power slotting.

In that example you having the toughest toon would allow your 10 year old to hang and fight with you because you would pretty much be drawing most of the aggro, assuming you do not exceed the aggro cap. Then your 10 year old will get the extra which is not good. But you could lower the setting to 4/6 to make sure you do not exceed the aggro cap.

Though I understand what Kailure is saying, I disagree whole heartedly. First off what is being said is a person can and knows how to create a maxed out toon but say's "Nah, I just want to solo 0/0 setting and have a tough time doing it. Then I am going to get incarnated but just pick anything because I really don't care". Sorry I just am not feeling that. I would rather be rich and decide to work as a ditch digger then have to work as a ditch digger to just make end meet.

I would relate to and understand more "I picked a set that I can max out but really don't know how to do it, so I won't." That I can grasp because I was in that position as are many new players that start this game.

Your issue is your going to have to learn the game mechanics and take your time playing around with Mids hero builder to see how the numbers work and see how the IO affect your toon builds. Mids is your main staple of building a great toon. Look I work 5 to 6 days a week, home, mortage, kids, etc myself. What I did is read the links in my signature that I collected from asking those questions on these forums. I took a few solid hours to understand the numbers and then over time of respecing all my old toons over to new defense cap toons I learned about the Invention sets and which sets give what bonuses, etc.

Then post your builds your looking to make and have people tear it apart. Look at why people pick different powers. You will start to see and notice the main staples of what powers it takes to make for example a defense cap toon for each arch type. And eventually people will explain why taking Combat jump might be better then Hover or why someone would pick up vengeance for the Luck of the Gambler + recharge bonus Invention slotting.

My first try at Defense cap was a Dark electric defender. My mentors were Biospark and Adeon Hawkwood for that. Though not the best primary and secondary to obtain defense cap, I learned about how -ToHit debuffs works.

I will tell you if you take the time to learn it though, it just about will break the game for you. You will have your holy cow moments because you will be amazed at the amount of mobs that are attacking you and your not dying and your not a tank.

Further one of my methodologies for making these builds is make them as cheap as possible. I don't see spending 20 billion in a build when I can do it will 500 million.

So what your saying is your soloing AV's currently on your fire toon correct..

So whats your point then ? Swap out Blaze for Blaze Bolt ? Replace one power with Blaze Bolt to kill the AV faster ?. Again whats the point ? Your killing an AV. I mean really think about it. Your fighting and winning solo against one of the TOUGHEST mobs in the game. I mean that is tougher then soloing 4/8. So who cares if it took you 5 minutes instead of 2. I would scoff at the person who made such a foolish comment against you for such a thing. That is similar to down playing someone doing a TF solo and taking 3 hours to complete it. You just really can't without looking stupid.

Now on the flip side IF your not talking solo and your talking team environment when fighting a AV then you are a bit slow in the head and I won't even explain why, because the reality is you wouldn't get it anyways. But I'm sure your talking solo.

Yes those that don't understand min and maxing will. These players will invest to kill one target a bit faster then killing everything faster. I used to be that player until I seen the light.

Now don't get me wrong I will say this. If I have a Device toon and making these changes does not affect my overall performance changes, then yes I would do them.

But I would not make a device toon just to have this change. Because Device is weak when compared to other sets in the blaster Arch Type.

Agreed.

PERSONALLY I found these change useless and more smoke and mirrors.

When you just stand back for one moment and look it's one single target power. Build wise what is this gonna do for anyone. You know who this affect or matters to, it's those that couldn't do anything special in the first place. Meaning players who don't understand min and maxing.

I can solo 4/8 on my AR Device, I can solo 4/8 on my Archery Trick Arrow defender, I can solo 4/8 on my Traps AR Defender. So respec so I can kill a single target that much faster ? Why, when I can kill them all.

Personally I think it was just some way to get more players to use Device set. This way they can fudge the numbers for the number of players that use the device set, I would guess even games have performance metrics that have to be met for the bosses. Overall I think its cool for device this way more players can complain about the other 8 powers in devices.

Basically all this did was take away the interrupt from snipes. Again I am assuming it did, because they didn't state otherwise. It would be funny if they didn't.