plainguy

I block unknown images so no clue what he is posting

Either you didn't read or intentionally took that comment out of context..

They would be if you could obtain merits for paper missions.. And had the choice of obtaining merits instead of tickets for AE missions..

You can obtain regular salvage and IOs for AE missions.. Why can't you obtain Merits ?

You want to play 8 tickets for a random salvage.. I am willing to pay 12 merits for the salvage of my choice..

Your willing to pay 70 tickets for a random IO.. I am willing to pay 100 merits for a IO of my choice.

You know.. Make the IOs purchased with Merits a different color and have them linked to the account.. You can trade them within your account but you can never sell them..

See the simple and obvious point is.. Others are looking to make money. I am not.. I could care less.. I want to create a build.. That is it.. I don't need game money..

Some people really just want to play the game and not be stock brokers and bankers.. You want to do that.. Great.. Fine.. By all means..

But give me and players like myself that enjoy just creating a build because we can and to see what it can do the ability to do it without all this foolishness.

Give me a way to forgo any influence and infamy give me Merits or whatever, make them so they cannot be traded.. And I'm fine.. I go do missions, collect only merits and I trade those in for premade IOs. End result I don't get over on anyone.. It has zero effect on everyone.. I have no infulence on any market or any player since I have nothing to sell or trade or buy.

I will be the first to say reporting for merits is not the greatest idea.. I did infer that when I mentioned it..
I also did mention that people will farm.. And people will play the market regardless.

But what of the people who have no interest in the market game.. Or the farm game.. Why can't we play the game for what it was meant to be which is playing a hero or a villain..

What is the purpose of doing a mission and getting tickets, when you can do missions and get Merits. Well they have to be contact story lines.. You don't get merits for paper missions. Or at least from what I noticed.. But could be wrong.

And once you do a mission which takes pretty much the same it takes to do a contact mission.. You get tickets for some random stuff.. which 80% of the time you don't need and is listed on the market for 500 inf.

Is it a horrible idea.. No, but why not just allow players to get what they want to get ?.

Some how you got the wrong impression that I don't do missions with my 50s.. I do.. That is how I obtain those hard to get IOs. But I do solo runs with toons to obtain tickets. I did 8k and got more junk then something worth while. Other then that I am pretty much at max capacity for a SG/ VG with 18 salvage / Storage bins.. 21 slots in mailbox and toons just holding Inventions to be sent in mail to be created..

Further I have only once had someone ask me if I wanted to some AE missions and ONLY because they wanted me to check out the missions and then rate them, of course the player was the creator running 2 accounts.

And you know on top of all this I do play the market game.. I make stuff and sell it with toons I am waiting to respec..

But in the end I'm farming tickets.. I'm farming Merits.. And I'm playing the market game.. And for what ?

I will tell you for what.. Because I would like to have a decent build like many other players. I want to have good build so I don't need to die 5x during a mission.. Maybe even one day create a PvP toon and spend 2 billion to be of any good use in RV zone.

If your gonna tell me your doing random AE missions just to check them out on a regular basis and not farming some sort of AE mission.. I will tell you, I just find it hard to believe.. I won't call you a liar.. But I just don't believe your just plugging in random AE missions.

You know when I do AE.. When I have so much " STUFF " that I just need for it to sell before I can acquire more "STUFF" .

Your saying people are going to farm.. Your right.. But why is it being made easier for them to do it ?.. Your level 1.. BAM you can run to AE kill some fat chick in a clown costume and your getting a level.. You go in the mission level 1, you come out level 6.. What the hell is that ??

At least when people where farming, you either where helping out or looking to buy a seat for the ride..

Look AE has just not turned into what they expected.. Or what many players expected.. You can't find a veteran player that will say AE has made this a better game.. Veteran meaning someone who was here before AE came out..

Look I am a fair and just man.. I believe if you put some effort into it you should be rewarded.. I'm fortunate that I can put some time into the game.. But I am noticing more and more I am spending less time playing and more time managing.. I feel I am putting more effort in then being rewarded and from reading a few post here and on the Market forums I see others feel the same..

You like Tickets.. I like Merits.. Fine, lets call it Merkits or Ticits..

Why can't we just collect these Merkits/Ticits for doing either or and use them how WE feel.. I hear ya.. you like random chance.. By all means.. Use yours for random chance.. I don't like Random chance after spending 10 hours of game play to collect 8k worth of tickets.. I want to spend my tickets on something I want.. Its like Skeet ball at the amusement park.. You get those tickets or your kid does.. Is the guy your giving the ticket to for a prize telling you or your son has to get some girls doll in wedding dress.. Or is your boy gonna be able to pick out that plastic Slinky that will break in the car before you get home ?

I mean there has to be a reason they reduce the ticket rate for repeating the same TF/SF within a period of time..

Otherwise people would be FARMING THEM... Get the point..

At a minimum let me do a random roll within some sort of IO branch.. type.. Field.. As I mentioned my tank doesn't need that Hold IO regardless of how great it is..

You know, has it occurred to anyone that maybe players really don't care if they did a bronze rolls and picked up 2 Num + regen/recharges, even if they don't need them. Because they can sell them on the market.. How about instead of wasting more of my time selling these 2 IOs on the market and then trying to bid for the item I want..

Why not just let me get what I wanted in the first place... And save me the 2 or 3 days of waiting and hoping the items sell or that some crazy change in the market makes them worth 100k instead of 100mil.

You can respond with no one is forcing you to do any of that.. But end result is you are or you end up with a character based on SOs which is pretty crappy now a days in all honesty..

How many people looking to do a SF or a TF are going to pick up the same Tank/Brute knowing they are only in SOs.. None, unless they have someone already IOed out..

I do ITF regularly with my Kin. Just by the damage someone takes I can tell they are in SOs or IOs. Granted some take IOs and lose sight of there purpose. But there still is a difference in survivability.

I'm just sick and tired of GRINDING 2 different systems hoping one gives me a decent break today on the rolls or that I can get the 250 tickets needed to buy a certain IO either to sell to so I can then Bid on the IO I really want.. Or save up the inf needed to try to bid for it next week. Assuming it is still in same price range.

Even Salvage goes for crazy prices.. One day Iron Salvage is 100 inf.. Next day its at 5k because 2 guys decided to buy it all and resell it for higher.. You do know that players do that to influence the market prices to there advantage. Its a pain in backside having to now wait 2 or 3 days for it come back down to a more reasonable price. Otherwise your the schmuck doing the impluse buy which is what they wanted in the first place.

Again there is no way of obtaining something decent in a reasonable amount of time when your trying to hedge your bets on 2 systems..

NOW if I could do 50% of one thing and then 50% of another but have 100% from both.. That would be GREAT....

Otherwise I will be perfectly honest.. I don't care about the award winning AE mission someone special did.. Because I end up getting 100 tickets for his cool looking mission with the great storyline and detail that is gonna cost me 40 minutes to do.

I will be doing the mission that gives me the most reward.. Even if its beating up a Zombie clown.. Repeatedly.

I will be doing the 3 Respec missions because they still give out 14 merits each.

And eventually I will be making that Brute or bringing my scrapper over to the villain side.. And yes he is a shield electric fire scrapper. Very original, I know...

LOL

I get it.. Your trying to make sense...

PLEEEAASE try your jedi mind tricks someplace else..

This is CoX, where pretzel logic prevails.. UP is not down.. Up might be right but it can also be left and sometimes it can be up.. But when you least expect it .. Yea you got it.. it's down..

They want you to FARM for ticket.. They want you to FARM for Merits. But it's not farming in the Dev's eyes.

Instead of trying to figure out why people are creating silly AE Farms and fix that underlying problem, they would rather try to fix the ability to farm. What's that saying too busy to cure the ailment when your busy treating the symptom ?

Why not just give out merits for every mission and just make AE for people to create stories.. And then just give out merits for the missions that people create in AE. OMG its just too simple.. We need some random luck thingy to happen.. Players don't know what they want until we tell them..

By level 50 a player should have enough merits to buy some unique type IOs or a few Purple IOs to get him started. Or buy some cheaper sets.. The rest they can get off the market OR continue to do missions.

Yes would people go back to doing TV farms for money and IOs. But they give up the possibility of merits for completing regular missions or TF / SF..

Could you imagine the devs with all of this..

Hey Joe lets do that new cool thing for the game.. It will be great everyone will love it.. Wait hold on phone call.. Hello.. Okay.. Sure.. Oh really !.. Ahh.. Okay..
Hey Joe forget that cool thing.. We need to spend the next week trying to fix that new way the players figured out how to farm in the AE missions.

Give players a way to build up something THEY want.. Give a reason to players to actually click the glowies in a mission instead of repeating the mission over and over to obtain something good.

Merits, Ticket, Tokens.. What next Shrubbery ?

The last build I posted does have provoke. which is what I was thinking as well.

In a group not having provoke is fine. But when I want to solo with him I can see the issue as well becauseI am not putting out any DPS to hold aggro. So do I have enough to keep the pets alive is the next question ? Can I just Hover above the pets and spam heals to keep the pets alive. I don't know.. I don't think I can well enough.

Again that come from a lack of real knowledge of Pain Domination.

My DS/Pain is currently at 28. Once I finish up the Robot Traps ( currently at 43 ) I will play the DS/Pain for the first build without Provoke and work to save up some Merits to obtain some of high cost IOs for the last build I posted..

This way I can give a real answer as to not having provoke VS having provoke. Unless someone else at defense cap at 50 can relay some insight.

I wish I had a Goldbricker Jet Pack to fly around with instead of just flying

Besides, any regulation is just going to meet what PVP IOs are seeing now. 2 billion cap? They'll take it off the market and sell it for 2+ billion (and avoid the AH taking a chunk of it.) If commons were restricted to - say - 20,000 INF or less, and Luck Charms are selling (blueside) for 50,000 or more regularly? People are going to sell them off-market


Anyone who has played Ultima Online has seen things like this occur. People would run bots who would just log in at server reset to pick up all the resources, either to resell for higher price or to make items that went for even higher prices.

Here is my spin on this..

Trust me I will make a point with all of this. Otherwise you can skip to here is the concept.

First off IO sets and the IOs within a set are classified by a color con. Obviously Orange cons in a set are more rare then white cons in a set. Same as white IO Sets are more common then the Purple IO Sets..

What would need to be done possibly is add an additional color to IOs within the set. Pretty much similar to the way it is now which is by adding the Purple Con to the most rare IOs from a set.

A perfect example of this is, we are not going to say that the +regen/+recovery from Numina's Convalescence is the same as the Endurance/Recharge from Numina's Convalescence. The whole set is Orange con. But the price range between those 2 IOs from that set could be as much as 100 million. I would have to say I would classify Numina's Convalescence +Regeneration/+Recovery as a Purple IO from the Numina's Convalescence Set. Even though it is coming from an Orange con set. This IO alone can and does sell higher then some Purple IOs, which for all intent and purposes are suppose to be rare and top of the line.

Now lets look at something else. Simply how many times have you gotten an IO from a set and went over to the market to see 150 of them listed for 500 inf each, only to see that a NPC will buy them for 1000 or more inf. Many of the temp powers fall into this category.

Finally how many have read either in this thread or in others on the market forum where, players were so rich that they would farm for tickets and just DELETE the useless IOs. It even wasn't worth their time to go to the vendor to sell them.

The Devs have tailored the game it such a way, that your almost forced to create some sort of Farm type character. Otherwise I would have to say I just can't believe the number of Brute Shields I see at the Black Market. I have run back to back Romulus runs in which both teams had more then 2 brutes and I was the only KIN. Point is Shields must be pretty cool looking or we have many players who farm in the game.

Or you have to start pretending to be a junior Donald Trump and play the Market game.

I don't believe this game just allows the average player to play his toon and maybe create a build or even copy a build someone might have seen on the forum he thought was cool and great without playing either of the 2 sub games within CoX which are Market or Farm.

Personally I have several 50s on both sides. Many of them are Defense cap toons which can run +1 +8 either AE or Paper missions. I have a Solo VG which is currently full to the gills with 18 Salvage bins and 2 IO bins full ( 200 created IOs ). I have meet players with 2 accounts and 3 VG full of Salvage. End result is I am exploding at the gills, but I have about 5 other 50s looking to make and do not want to get rid of IOs that I know I will either need or will help me level up another toon. Because when I sell them the IO's go for 5k and when I want to rebuy them they sell for 50k.. At least that is how I feel things work for me in this game.

Okay here is the concept

What if players were allowed to combine IOs of the SAME SET and CON to make another IO of the SAME SET either of the same CON or one higher or lower CON again from the SAME SET. Or five yellow or higher con color of the one set to make the white con of another set. For this the CON of the set would have to be Similar. So you would need 5 Regenerative Tissue Orange con set to make 1 white con IO from Numina's Convalescence which is a Orange con set, or 5 touch of death to make 1 Numina's Convalescence IO.

Five white con IOs could create 1 Yellow or 1 White Con IO.
Five Yellow con IOs could create 1 Orange or 1 Yellow Con IO or 1 White IO of the same set. Or 1 IO of another totally different set.
Five Orange con IOs could create 1 Purple or 1 Orange Con IO or 1 White or 1 Yellow IO. Or 1 IO from another totally different set.

Is five too little. Make it 6, 7, 8, whatever is reasonable.

Further there is no reversing. So no breaking 1 purple into 5 orange and then those 5 orange into 20 yellows.

How does this effect everyone ?

Well the Farmer now is either gonna throw them out as before or combine what he has to make a higher con IO or he might buy what he is missing to combine. If he deletes, nothing has changed for the farmer. But if he Combines to sell, well we just got one more higher con IO on the market we would have not had before. If he stops what he is doing to buy what he is missing to combine. Well guess what, he made a purchase from the market he would not have done in the past. Someone scored on this guys purchase.

The Market player. Well I could see some early issues. I can see someone running to buy up all the low end cheap IOs and just combine to make higher cons. Thus depleting the market of lower end IOs and flooding the Market with higher con IOs. End result having to choose from 10 Numina's Convalescence +Regeneration/+Recovery or 40 is probably going to make the value of Numina's Convalescence +Regeneration/+Recovery much cheaper.

End result I almost consider this like micro transactions. You will get more activity of people buying IOs across all platforms then just the high end stuff. You will have the rich guy that only sells purple IOs he makes from lower sets IOs and the rich guy that supplies the purple IO guy with those lower sets.

Those doing the market thing or doing the Farm thing loose nothing, but if anything have a new avenue to now exploit ( don't mean that in a bad way ). But this allows the average player to actually play a toon they want to play and slot them how they want to slot them without having to farm with another toon or spend time trying to figure out the new angle on the market.

Further getting more people willing to do a bit of everything but nothing to any extremes would open the door to maybe more people playing PvP if they had the chance to slot themselves properly to have a fighting chance in a PvP fight.

Personally I would like to get back to just playing my characters and not trying to figure out how I am gonna be able to slot them and how I am gonna get the money to do that.

I am pretty positive many scoff at the comment that the game or missions where based around Single Origin slotting and not Inventions. I know I laugh at that notion every time my Traps guy out lives and tanks the AV that the SO brute couldn't handle.

In summation

I believe that this will bring more players to the market and you will have more money flowing in and out. Every IO now has a value and even more value then before. No one player can cover the market with all the IOs out there, so you will not have 2 or 3 player monopolizing the market. A player buys all the whites from a Healing IO. I buy 5 yellows from a Mezz IO and make the white I needed from that Healing IO set.

Is it a perfect answer, by all means no.. I do believe it opens up another avenue for players to explore instead of being pigeon holed into farming for some purple IO or farming to make money to get that purple IO. Or having to rely on the market and to jump on the right time to sell those premade IOs for 600k that usually sell for 300k.

Let players be Super Heroes and Super Villains not Brokers and Farmer.

Are 2 defense IOs in the protector bots capping you ?

Well as you can see there are more then one way to skin a cat. I won't lie though I am not fond of waiting for the protector bots to buff me or having to rely on them when I can obtain it pretty easy with Traps.

But regardless I will say if it gets you to cap.. Then that's all that matters to me.

Should have been more clear and mentioned the 12 / 13 available slots.

Hope it all makes sense now.

@FitzSimmons

I didn't look at the build yet. Just wanted to reply to the Range comment. I can agree with you. But ( You knew a but was coming ) as Smash and Lethal are the most common, I can see Melee Smash Lethal being a pain in the Backside. I don't know if people are classifying Demons as Melee or Ranged or Hybrid of both. But I see people calling them Melee pets. Being up close to heal even in a group to help the brutes I can see AOE that have a S/L component causing a player aggravation.

I'm no Thermal aficionado either. I would go to the Corruptor forums and do some searches there and ask a few questions myself before looking to see what I can get away with on the Thermal end. Meaning that is what I personally do. You can see I did that with some Pain questions. Even then I wasn't getting many solid answers.

Libb I have no issues with you.. But if your testing, it's obvious your not playing. If you played them on a regular basis you would without a doubt see what is going on.

Get your 50.. Set up your diff to +1 +8 or +1 +6. Go into the mission and ask your pets to attack from Range and see what they do. I am positive you will see your pets running into range while others stay back to attack.

If I am suppose to be the Master and Controller. Then IF I tell my pets stay even when I am getting attacked. That is what I want them to do.. IF they are in defense mode then I want them to attack IF they are in range but still STAY as I commanded them. I'm the MASTERMIND, not them..

You know maybe in a team I want to absorb some damage via bodyguard mode with the pets, to maybe help out the group for some crazy reason. So if my Tier 1 pets end up getting destroyed because of the DPS distribution, so be it.. Again it's should be MY option.. And not that they rush in to attack even when commanded to stay and out of line of sight around the corner or something.

I have no issues with controlling them, persay. If my robots would stay in defense mode inside my Force Bubble and just attack mobs that came in range or attacked me. It would be great.. Sadly they do not do that, instead they rush into combat. Yes they usually fire off a ranged shot before running in, but end result is they run in. So I end up having bots all over the place, instead in one general area.