mistformsquirrel

I have to say, that's a very natural expression!

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"We at Turkey Lurkey Enterprises would love to comment on every submission we receive, unfortunately due to corporate outsource downsizing and increased dynamic synergy, our critique queue is very long. Your art is important to us, and will be commented upon in the order is received. Current wait time is 8 months. Your patience is appreciated."



TL

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Lol <,<

That's a pretty cool costume BAS <@_@> I like!

*reserves a location so he too can critique <@,@> ... after some foodage*

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It does help you pick out the problems! Its really hard to see the mistakes in your own drawing or arts you just finished unless you wait a month and look at it again (Or you cheat like alot of people do, and just flip the picture over and look at it backwards - thats the best way to see all the little flaws right off the bat).

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I generally leave the piece be for a couple days and not look at it, then come back to it...but the way you mentioned seems much quicker!

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But you shouldn't be slammed for a good critique. Then again. criticism and critique may sound alot alike but they're two completely different words. As helpfull as it is I don't think anyone really likes hearing only flaws, so its nice ballancing it out with what the person did right in the piece.


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The instance that sticks out in my mind the most, artist posts their WIP pic, after several pages of "oohs" and "Ahhs", I post something along the lines of "I really like what you did here, here, and here, but this part bothers me a little bit, here's why in case you want to look into adjusting it, just my two cents" sort of thing...the sort of helpful feedback that I look for.... The artist comes back with a real snotty, "who are YOU to critique me" atitude about it, which just irked me to no end as I was just trying to be helpful and pretty much confirmed my earlier personal opinion of said artist.

So now my critiques are few and far between, and reserved mainly for A) people that ask for them, B) people I know who can take them, C) artists I like, who I want to see grow even better (that usually includes the former two as well).

Of course, that's when I have time to comment anymore....

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THEN WHY DO YOU NOT CRITIQUE MEEEEEEEEEE? <T_T>;

Are you saying you don't like me? <;_;>

*feels unloved*

*Sorry <,< need something funny in this thread dammit!*

<@.@>A birfday!?!

*runs around spilling cake batter and icing* <O.O> Happyyyyy birfday!!


*trips, sending the half finished cake flying at nearby folks*

<;_;> Oops.

>.> Ya know, I'm kinda attached to this living thing. <.<;;

Hahaha <'x'> Oh dear.

Besides <.< in a comic world, when has being dead ever stopped... well anything <,<

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Are those ears or thumbs up?

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That my large axe swinging art drawing friend is the highly coveted DOTU ((Double Otter Thumbs Up)). =^_^= So, nope, not ears. >_>

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d<^_^>b *adds squirrelthumbs too*

<^,^> I can haz opposable digits?

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>.> for the record, decapitation is not considered and approved sedative >.>

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It keeps things quiet... besides i never said decapitation...

...threats and just throat slashinmg works just fine, full removal is unnecessary

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But its fuuuuun <.<

>.> for the record, decapitation is not considered and approved sedative >.>

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Virtue is an odd place indeed... =O_O= Can't say I've run across the need for such a policy in my capers across the Virtueverse... Mind you, I'm scared to go to Pocket D...

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<,< lol

Ya know... this reminds me of the time...

... On second thought <.<

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Messed around with it again... and changed the background up a bit. Personally, I think it makes the girsl look like giants, but it's in fitting with the point of view.

Ah well, check it out and if you really don't like it, take it to PMs. lmao

The Girls

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Well, now you've gone and made them look too Catholic.







...no, I have no idea what that means, either. I'm just padding my post count.

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I see no postage-stamp size plaid skirts in this picture. I am disappointed! >.>

Pale American definitely gets my nod >.< It feels... well I hate to use an cliched term, but "Epic".

Very very very cool <^_^> But I disagree Tundy, Mr. Gerbil would be MUCH happier a little to the sides! <^,~>

That's pretty darn cool! <@.@> Wish we could get those kinds of gauntlets and boots in-game >.<;

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To expand on my previous post, I once encountered a critique system that I thought was awesome. The short version is that critiques are never welcome unless asked for... but once asked for, the poster could ask for a variable level of critique using the following point system;

Level 1 critique - "I'm a first-timer, please be gentle"

Level 2 critique - "I'm working on a few details, but what do you think?"

Level 3 critique - "Ok, I know my stuff. What's your honest opinion?"

Level 4 critique - "I'm good, but not yet perfect. Be brutal and help me get this perfect"

Level 5 critique - "Burn me baby! Critique away, I can take it."

So, using that system, newcomers to art might ask for a lvl 1 or 2 critique so they can get thier feet wet, while someone else might say "this is going to Marvel tomorrow... gimme the lvl 5."

Anyway, it worked in the EQ community. Just an idea.

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I like that quite a bit. It'd need some refinement of course, but I think its an excellent system.

I think the key thing that we all need to be able to view here, is that this place is not JUST an art forum, nor is it JUST a community.

It's both. And those two roles sometimes conflict.

On the community side, we need to be as welcoming and helpful to each other as possible - no one should walk out of here feeling hurt or like everyone hates them.

But on the other side, there's always that need and want to improve. Without that drive, its true, we can just turn in to endless reprinting machines, especially for people like myself who progress very slooooooooowly.

I guess the point I'm trying to make in a roundabout way, is that there's room for both perspectives here, and both are pretty valid.

By assuming that one must either coddle or crush, one denies the opportunity this place presents. Its a safe haven for people who are afraid to show their stuff (and honestly, I don't care what anyone says, it IS hard to show your stuff the first time. There's a lot of fear and a lot of doubt in most people). But then there's the more experienced folks who've been around for a good while, and for them its probably more useful that they get some real feedback.

In neither case should there be any bashing (I think that's fairly well established and I've never honestly seen it here); but its useful to reiterate that.

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In my opinion, this place is a pool of people that could be great artists, not just good ones. But who become locked into their art and stagnate because it's 'good enough for government work.' And the culture here promotes it more and more. A little reality injection isn't a bad thing.
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Well, I think you've made your opinion clear on how you feel about this place.

It's funny, because usually if I want to comment on someone's art, I always find myself following the 2:1 rule. 2 positives to 1 negative. I like to encourage instead of beat down.

This forum is not designed for critiques of art - I've never read that that was the pupose ofthe place. The majority of posters here are 1) fans of the game and 2) fans of their characters. Mainly, I see thisplace as one to show off their characters (in whatever form).

If you want to levy harsh critisism on people's work, perhaps you could find boards where people go for exactly that?

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That's kinda how I like to do it myself. That's how most people did it in my art classes as well; as tearing things to shreds just frankly does not help anyone. That is unless you're an incredibly confident person - but I've found very few of those.

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One (or a few) off handed comments could really drive away burgeoning artists.

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I wanted to say I am in total agreement here. I have a younger brother who had a good eye and hand at drawing and sketches. He enjoyed drawing as well, until that is he encountered his grade 10 Art Teacher. When asked for his opinion my brother does not hesitate to give it, and he was asked one day for his opinions on a few well known pieces of art. His OPINION however was not to the teachers liking so she went out of her way to harshly criticize and mark his work. To this day he has no more interest in drawing or scribbling. My brother has a strong sense of right and wrong, Justice and injustice (If we lived in Greyhawk he'd be a Paladin, hands down. ) The injustice and treatment he recieved from the teacher soured him to all art. I can't even bribe him with batches of cookies and pie for him to sketch my characters.

So yeah, you want to be careful with someone who is just starting out.

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PS: I have no clue why that woman was teaching.

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I had a rather similar situation myself. Thankfully though, I also had my teacher's husband in my other art classes >.<; so I got a dose of positive too. (He was a real nice guy, one of those ones who did his best to guide you, without dominating your work).

But yah, it took the wind out of my sails rather badly for many years. It was pretty damned hard to work up the nerve to even try posting things online, as I very much expected to just be screamed at frankly.

Heck, I still have the first pic I EVER posted here (shocked I remember it)

Anyone remember this?

Good grief thats old >.>;

LOL

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It's honestly very very hard to say.

Some artists always want a critique as they feel it helps them get better.

Others are OK with a critique; but would prefer not to get one unless they ask.

And some just really hate it unless asked for because they feel it steals some of the fun of presenting their new work.

I'm personally in the first category, but obviously, there's no 'right or wrong' to it; its just a matter of preference.

I agree the best way is probably to PM them if you aren't totally sure of what the person wants.

For myself - critique away; as long as people aren't rude, I appreciate anything I can get <.<b (I only mention that in case anyone is ever hesitating)

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He lives!!!

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lol jesh!

I R livin!

Back in black.......and blue.....


Sup brother? Hows life? Hit me up and lets talk! Been a while! Heading off to work right now though! Sorry about the derail LJ! Anyone that wants to please send a tell or something though, i miss you guys!

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ZOMG TA!!! <^,^>

*kerpounce* <^,^>

A "RickRoll" is basically creating a link with the impression it leads to one thing, then linking to that music video instead >.>

As I recall it originated on 4chan, but I could be wrong <.<

*goes rummaging*

*tosses random objects out of the tree*

<o.O> This might take awhile.

*chainsaw goes flying past*

April '05

Not really the oldest I ever took though; sadly I cleaned out my screenies once when I was low on harddrive space >.<; Still, its ancient.

That was my "School girl" outfit, before Schoolgirl outfits were possible in CoH.

Just want to show off my new avatar here <~_~> some positive news for once eh? Ya, its not great <'x'> I need to re-do it actually; but it feels good to at least do something!