gameboy1234

Well, all I can say is I've seen it work exactly the opposite. I made suggestions in closed beta 9-11, and they showed up later. And that's normal and standard practice for the software industry.

Since it's been proven to work this way, I don't know why folks keep saying it doesn't. Anything in beta that you find doesn't work the way you like, you should leave feedback on. It doesn't matter if live works the same way. Problems in beta are there to be discussed, and should be commented on. That includes the way mission givers and NPCs in missions work.

Well sure. Where do you think they get chainmail from?

Since I happen to work as a software engineer and I happen to know how bug reports work, I know beta is the correct place for suggestions. I've seen several of my suggestions in past CoH betas worked into later issues. It's the normal way things function--suggestions from one beta are forwarded to software engineering in later releases. And it's the same for all software--accounting, internet, games, etc.

Drink!

The trolls will be revamped as a group that hangs out online all day, posting snarky comments.

Yeah they did a super duper bang-up job on that zone revamp. How far into the missions did you get? Did you do the intro mission where you are first told about DA?

Also, old DA is available in Ouroboros, through a portal way in the back.

That is not what I said. Please do not put words in my mouth, Mr. Techbot.

I like this idea a lot.

I've never liked the idea of fighting basically normal people. Warriors, Family, Cage (rent-a-cops? Come on...), etc. After level 20 or so, all the normal folks should go away. I feel we're way too powerful by that time to be fighting them. Especially when these groups get to around level 30. Not really working for me.

Adding some *super* villains seems to clean this up. If a new Outcast villain group replaces the Warriors in Talos, I won't be sad. Super villains could also make additional appearances with other groups: working for the Family, for example. It would make a lot more sense, to me, if we're fighting Family because they're using super villains.

It could even be part of a larger story arc. Outcasts are gangers at lower levels. You manage to save a few, redeem them or whatever. The more hard-bitten ones put on spandex by level 20 and start their own villain groups. You defeat some of those, they get locked up or go straight. Then the Outcasts that are left are the real hard core, and start working as mercenaries for other groups like the Family, etc. It provides a progression, and also a bit better explanation why we are fighting these guys, instead of just letting the cops taking care of it.

Any yet somehow, I don't.

This is very much how I see it. This goes along with my request to the devs: please don't spend too much time "fix" the new Skulls. Lots of other more worthy things to work on besides a group whose primary reason to exist is to be *skipped* by most of the players running DFB to level up.

Or play it down. Their write-up on the CoH site makes it seem like they're a misguided street gang. Not really evil, just young and disaffected. And their leader, Frostfire, tried to start as a hero, and ended up a hero despite being a villain.

I think the Outcasts could use some more stories of redemption. It would be a nice counterpoint to the thoroughly evil Skulls and Hellions.