Warkupo

Stop that.

Is there any reason they can't do something similiar to Dual Blades combo system, making the next attack guarantee a +33% crit chance and then ending the bonus effect after whatever move you use? Then they'd be able to increase the duration of the buff without worrying that it'd be used for more than one attack, since that is what they seem to have been going for.

"We" isn't everyone. We all know that "someone" gets killed off by "someone else" in that "one game" when you finally find "that thing", but if I told you who it was before you had ever played "that game" you would probably be irritated at me.

That said, I would think they'd stop scrolling down after the first screen shot...

If this was your thesis, what was the point of arguing against all the reasons I've given for OP's idea? You probably would have saved a lot of time if you had started off saying "I don't want multi-weapon customization because I want the system changed so that the animations aren't similiar to one another to better highlight the different utilities of a weapon" rather than arguing with me about how the animations and effects are so widely different that they couldn't be interchangeable. I can't be held responsible for you being too ****ed to highlight your primary argument, especially when that argument is in stark contrast to what we've been TALKING ABOUT. (assuming this is even it, you're utterly difficult to comprehend with how many ideas you jump to at once in the same post.)

But let's just throw out the last two pages and play with your idea. I definitely like the idea of adding more animations to better suit the weapons (even though I disagree that a jab is not a viable attack. You'd often want to throw one in there so that you aren't predictable with all your wide slashing attacks. Have you ever seen an axe with a Halbred on it? Guess what that is for. The weight on the head of the axe is often beneficial as you will typically be able to throw an enemy their position with this move), however I don't see how the inclusion of such a feature would somehow nullify OP's suggestion. In fact, I imagine it would strengthen it, as there is now a higher probability that there will be animations available that the USER feels better suits their weapon, whatever that may be. I significantly doubt that the devs will replace animations at this stage of the game, given that we know it's possible for them to include both.

That the "heavy weapons" set were divided into three different sets is likely a result of the early years in the game, when they needed more powersets to pad the available options to the players and that the ability to allow weapon customization was non-existence. Also, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed with the "two handed" set, as what I described is exactly what they are planning to do, at least, if what BaB says has any relevance.


Also, Champion's Online had a good idea about giving players the ability to choose any power, just as City of Heroes did when they attempted to launch the game under the same idea. The failing of both of them is that they had no great formula in place to restrict the level of "power-gaming" that would occur if they allowed this, or didn't make every power a carbon copy of one another. Time will tell if DCUO has figured it out yet or not.

I think one of my favorite things about Kins is that I can generally be doing blaster level damage with Fulcrum Shift while soloing, and then when I get on a team I just make everything awesome.

Often I'll have a concept and be like "I wanna shoot fire!" hover over the blaster tab, and then remember Kinetics and play a defender/corr instead.

I do not believe that changing a mesh is really that difficult. I cannot attest to how the system works, but if it's anything like every other game I've used, it is as simple as taking a file and moving it to a new folder and then hitting the "Update" button.

The only reason not to bother is because the devs feel like being lazy, it's harder than I am perceiving (in which case I do not think OP's idea should get in the way of more important affairs such of proliferation of sets or customized animations), or they dislike the idea. That the devs are seeking to make the "Two-Handed Set" incorporate all weapon models that might fit into that ideal (Scythe, Pole-Arm, Halberd, Whacking Stick o' Doom) seems to indicate that they would agree making three different sets that all used the same animations was probably not the methodology they wished to follow.

The sets are likely so similar as a causality of the early levels of development, where the devs needed more sets to pad out the options available to the player to choose from. After six years, I don't think that's really the case anymore (Which is probably why they want to do it right with the Two-Handed set.)

You can't really claim whether or not it would be popular. Unless, of course, you polled the player base and they said no.

@Sam

Which is it then? Broadsword has less or the same? Also I'm not sure If I would argue that Broadsword is more mitigation focused, as I consider the secondary effects of the Axe and Mace sets pretty mitigation-y. I'm not willing to throw their DPA's vs their mitigation effects into a blender and come out with a formula right now to really back that up, though. I will say that parry is one hell of a move, though.

At different Magnitudes KB becomes KD. Saying it has primarily KB attacks is incorrect. Swans and ducks are similiar too, but unless I'm telling a nursery rhyme, not distinguishing between the two is likely to lead to some confusion.

There, I quoted you so you don't forget what you wrote. I know it's hard using that back button, or maybe I just don't understand the love affair with quoting. The only indicator I have from your paragraph is that you don't think the animations are alike, and since you didn't expand upon why you thought anything else was different (yet), the best I could do is explain that, no, the animations are all exactly the same (save for parry and that stabbing animation), as that was the only falsity I could see in your paragraph.

Now that you have expanded to include the animated effects and sound effects, I still do not agree that they are that unique to their weapon. The visual effects on the weapons are largely composed of a 'wind-trail' animation behind the weapon as your character swings it that holds no regard to the weapons shape (the wind trail is exactly the same for sword, axe, and mace, regardless of the fact that mace should probably have some wonky ball trail instead.) with a blueish to sometimes red-ish glow that extends out of the enemy, and sparks for good measure. The final few attacks are largely a series of different colored glow effects chasing after the enemy, and (unless you associate "orange glow" with battle axe) have nothing to do with the weapon that is being used.

Which leaves the sound effects, with mace being the only set to have a slightly different sound (it lacks the SSSS sound at the start, but otherwise is not dramatically different. However, as everyone knows, bladed weapons go SSSS.). They are not so different as to not be compatible, however. Obviously you disagree.

Nothing about these three sets is so different that they could not allow other weapons other than the fact that they are called "BattleAxe" "WarMace" and "Broadsword". Since you just attested to disliking semantics, I'm sure you can understand how silly it is to restrict OP's idea based on a name alone.

I do sort of like the idea of making one powerset called "Heavy Weapons" or something less lame sounding, and then allowing you to choose between each of the powersets "Stance 1, stance 2, stance 3 or something) and then pick whatever weapon model you want. Still, that is beyond the scope of the suggestion, and it would likely take time away from something that is probably "more important." I would wait until all the sets are correctly proliferated, of course.

If you want to use radiation blast with the energy blast animations, I'm not going to try and stop you. If you're having fun doing that I don't care, regardless of the fact that I probably won't follow suite. I do not have any idea how difficult that is going to be to do, however, as you are going to have to change the visual effect of the power while simultaneously still offering the previous, instead of just offering another mesh, which is non-existent in this case, and as such I cannot fully support your idea unless it is relatively easy to implement.

As for the stabbing thing (again), striking someone in that manner with any object is going to hurt. It is not always going to stab (though any object at a high enough velocity, like say what a super human wielding a holy relic might be capable of, is going to pierce through an object.) but it is going to hurt. If you don't beleive me, have a relative or close friend 'stab' you in the face with a baseball bat with as much force as they can muster. It'll be a fun science experiment and is a good way to pass a week or two.

Also it's called a jab when you use a blunt object.

Why not Aid Self? Then you'd have it all~

Which means absolutely nothing as far as aesthetics are concerned. Also it has more AOE than both War Axe and War Mace, unless you want to count Taunt, in which case they are tied. Slice/Whirling/Headsplitter vs WhirlingWhatever/tier9

... Battle Axe doesn't have any knockback. At all. It has mostly knockdown and knock up. Again, this has nothing to do with aesthetics.

Let's back up a bit, since you don't seem to be able too. Your original argument was that the sets were too different in their animations to be replaced easily. The Mace set didn't use "slashing" animations, you seemed to claim. I pointed out that, yes they did, and as far as animations were concerned everything was pretty much equal except for parry.

I have not claimed that they shared the same effects. In fact, I blatantly stated as much with this fun paragraph you seemed to miss: The secondary effects are not so different that I could not envision the weapons working outside of their sets. Again, broadsword is already doing knock-down and knock-up, both things Axe is doing all the time. My imagination does not need to be stretched for me to visually comprehend that a broadsword could knock people over. Mace does a lot of disorienting effects, with some knockback for good measure. It is not difficult for me to beleive that an AXE might be disorienting when hit with it, and it should be REALLY easy for you to beleive that an AXE can do knockback, since you apparently thought it did to begin with.

The secondary effects, NOR the special effects, NOR the animations are so fundamentally different that you cannot *easily* interchange the weapon models with one another. I am in NO WAY proposing that we get rid of a set, just that we allow all functional meshes into it.

You keep it. I happen to like the axe set, and the proposed change would not effect its' existence.

I'm not saying it can. Much in the same way I'm not proclaiming the TALSORIAN BLADE WHICH THE DEVS PUT INTO THE GAME BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT LOOKED COOL should be doing energy damage even though it is CLEARLY made out of energy and when the vanguard use them they do ENERGY DAMAGE.

It is an aesthetic change, it is there simply for visual enhancement and the ability to enjoy having, say, a sword on a powerset that doesn't deal with sword models but could VERY EASILY be adjusted to do so. That you can't wrap your mind around that is your own downfall.

I don't see a reason to change the names or the powersets in any way. Just add in the meshes. The only reason I'm even on board with this suggestion is that it is easy to do, and doesn't need to change any function of the game. If it did, I probably would be on your side. The only hurdle you need to get over is that you don't think some of the animations work with some of the weapons, which is fine, you don't need to use those weapons, but some of us would like too.

I think it is strange you bring up Assault Rifle, which is actually a shining example for my side of the argument. MOST of the alternative gun models they offer don't make sense at *all* for the function of the assault rifle, but we have them because somebody wanted to wield a Tommy Gun, flamethrower be damned.

The Devs, who you and Leo_G seem to hold to some gold standard on this issue, ROUTINELY compromise sensibility for concept in this manner. The only thing OP is asking for is to be able to use a sword with the Battle Axe set, because his CONCEPT wanted that.

I promise you though, if I "stabbed" somebody in the face with an axe, they would probably be on the floor, bleeding. Unless they had super powers, or something. I count at least nine of those axes could be used for stabbing. Hell, at least two of them have a freaking halberd on the tip, and four of them have bladed tops. Regardless, even if you are "stabbing" someone with the blunt end of an object, it is still going to hurt, which, as far as the animation is concerned, is exactly what I'm doing.