TwoHeadedBoy

He was referring to myself and our other friend AIB. I play Human Form, AIB plays Tri Form. You can find in depth discussions about what both can bring to the table all over the Kheld board.

You bring your VEAT, I'll bring my Warshade... Let's do a 54x8 Psi Farm.

The animation change I was referring to was how long the animations take, not a change to their appearance. I was pretty vague because most of the people who regular the Kheld forum have been supporting shortened animation times... In the future I'll be more specific. No aesthetic gripes here.
Yea I am interested to see what the new slots have to offer, but nothing currently available to us makes forms worth using on high end IO builds.
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Also having perma lightform from 39-40 to 50 is not most of the game. The game is 50 levels, most of the game would be from 25.[/quote]

Well the XP rate slows pretty drastically as you level up so that's something to keep in mind... Plus the time it takes the average person to finish a nice IO build. Forms are relevant for most of your career as a Peacebringer, it's only when you get to the "Alright, I'm done with everything" point that they become unneeded.
I don't think that's necessary, helpful, or a good idea.

I wouldn't bother trying to build e/n defense at any point.

For Warshades and Peacebringers: Tri Form while leveling up without a doubt, if for no other reason than experiencing the full spectrum of both AT's (other reasons amended.)

For Warshades: Forms remain viable and Tri Form is the way to go for end game play after a decent amount of investment (Say 2 billion covering your whole build)* but if you get to a point where you're investing in top end enhancements and your goal is to maximize performance, human form is the way to go. (Disclaimer: I know AIB, a good friend of both myself and the OP, has managed to do wonderful things on a high end Tri Form build, but that doesn't change the fact that the human form offers superior ST damage, superior control ability, superior survivability, and only slightly lags behind on AOE output at max investment.)

For Peacebringers: If you decide to invest enough inf. into your build (once again around the minimum 2 bil threshold) human form will be 'where it's at,' there's just no way around it. Perma Essence Boost happens by accident when building Perma Light Form, which means you are able to match the HP and Resists of Dwarf form on top of having the option for high defense- Dwarf is irrelevant. Human Form also does more AOE damage than Nova, while being more survivable. It's just that simple.
Once again, the form animation issue. Warshades differ from Peacebringers because the forms actually have a conceivable purpose at all times- Dwarf has that extra Mire, which can stack Shades to the damage cap. I feel that Warshade forms most need toggle suppression. To repeat myself for the trillionth time, I'd love that damage boost from dwarf Mire, and I'd love to be able to fire off those Nova AOE's, but it's just not worth sitting through the 10 minute animations and turning all of my toggles back on afterwards... A chance to fire off some quick blasts is not worth dying every time I try it because A.) My softcap disappeared and B.) It took me three years to get the damn things off in the first place.
Nothing.
I do feel that VEAT's have a greater ability to contribute to a team in terms of buffs, but they can't be like Kheldians- Killing everything, out-surviving everyone, and in essence, becoming the team. When I play my Warshade on standard PUG teams, the most I've ever seen anyone contribute is pronouncing themselves Veng Bait and providing entertaining conversation.

That being said, I do feel that VEAT's access to epic pools and debuff capacity is pretty unfair compared to Kheldians.

*The 2 billion mark referenced does not necessarily need to be paid for in cash, and in most cases it isn't. I'm just using that as a marker for "buy it now" prices on the market.

That's pretty freakin' impressive.

I make all of my cash on the market- I only farm when I need to get a character to the 1 billion mark before I can start flipping.

You're actually right that jump kick has higher base damage than bolt and eye but it also has a 2.8s recharge vs. 1.5s for gleaming bolt. I'm not positive but I don't think you would be able to work jump kick into a higher DPS attack chain than strike>bolt>blast.

As for Spring Attack, it has 70.9 base damage vs. 44.04 and 40.04 from detonation and scatter, but it's also recharging in 120s Vs. 12 and 16s. This means that even with lower damage values per attack, the primary AoE's will still do significantly more damage than Spring Attack.

The next part of your post is a big part of your problem with building defense and recharge- Purple sets are very helpful for building up recharge in less slots and being able to devote other slotting to defense.

'Waste' is definitely a pretty biased term to use. I find high end enhancements to be extremely helpful for getting the most out of character performance.

Uh... My PB build has 168% recharge- Perma Inner Light, light Form, Essence Boost, softcapped s/l defense, and superb enhancement values in all attacks. Maybe the problem lies more with your inability to build a viable character and not it being an poor build option.

If you re-read the post you quoted, I specifically mentioned that I was only referring to high end builds. Forms are certainly more than viable for leveling up and on low budgets. Forms are incredibly useful on a low budget and while leveling, I don't think myself or anyone else has said otherwise.
Right, it has been hashed over and over that the more you invest into a Peacebringer the more irrelevant forms become. That doesn't mean that they aren't serving a purpose for the majority of the game (all the levels before 50) and once again for those who don't want to/can't invest in a nice IO build.
At this point I really can't see a way to make the forms useful, unless some serious work was done- Perhaps if Dwarf was given a taunt aura and pool toggles were able to run, it could tank more effectively.

Nova is more tricky as it would involve nerfing human powers to make it relevant, and the last thing we want to be asking for is nerfs in any sense.
I don't think you can Perma Light Form before you even have it. Once again, there is a whole game before level 50 and for a lot of people that is the majority of their experience with a given character. It's only the more enthusiastic players of Peacebringers who will notice the disparity you're referring to once they reach a certain investment threshold at the level cap.

The key difference between 'GG Posts' and 'My post' is that she makes said snarky short comment-emoticon statements in discussions that are sort of substantial, whereas I (granted, following a comparable format) made a condemning comment in a pointless thread.

There's a big difference between having nothing to say whatsoever when contributing to a topic that's worth discussion and posting a 'this is pointless' comment in a thread that is well... Pointless.