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I've already seen the prices on the market and I'm interested in selling a package deal for several reasons:

-A huge disparity between recipes and crafted on the market (and not the way you would expect)
-Incredibly costly listing fees for a slow moving item that may not sell. Check out Gladiator's Net Acc/Hold lvl 50.
-The value of the entire set outstrips the individuals. I already have certain PvP recipes listed at exorbitant prices, which you are welcome to use the market on. I want to move these differently.

The only way would be to chain the release captives:

Captive 1 released spawns captive 2, which spawns captive 3, which spawns the boss.

However, there is circular logic fault protection in the AE editor, and that might go a little haywire. It also means that on a map, you might wind up with the following spawns showing up in areas you already cleared.

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If you are designing a map to practice, I sadly have to recommend the notorious farm map in AE - Atlas Park City Map 02.

-Very close together spawns perfect for herding
-Good size for plenty of time spent on the map
-Open Outdoor map with plenty of vertical room

Fill the map with the maximum number of each category type. That should spawn the entire map. Then you and your son can duo the map.

If you do this, please add a storyline, mix up the enemies so it has minions, lt's, and bosses, and avoid doing buffing allies (do rescues that auto run away). This way the map can be spawned appropriately to practice both herding and AoE damage, yet not really be done for a farm. Furthermore, if you really just want to practice, I'd use test mode, since it has some fantastic features.

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Let's all keep the discussion productive. Often what is best for the poster may not be what is 'best' in the game.

Reasons to roll Elec/ for AoE Farming:
-Fears of a SS nerf
-To be unique
-For a less-resisted damage type

Reasons to Roll /Fire
-Decent, fast recharging heal.
-Decent resists. Not the best, but good.
-Easily fixed penalties (a karma KB protection in combat jumping)
-Not too expensive compared to a turbostoner
-A useful endurance recovery tool in consume

Reasons to choose Mu Mastery:
-Great thematic paring with elec/
-Electric Fences+Burn Patch
-Even More AoE in Ball Lightning
-Mu Lighting just looks awesome

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No man knoweth the day, nor the hour when the forumpocalypse wilt happen. One farmer will be left with Battle Maiden, the other taken. There will be rumors of PvP and rumors of nerfs: these are but the beginning of sorrows. The color of dark melee will turn to blood and the end draweth nigh. Yea, the mighty regen will tremble in fear as the 4 dead horses of the forumpocalypse are released to reap the harvest of threads.

Behold I saw the first horseman. He was yellow and black, known as Regen. As he turned to the players and told of epic years past, there was wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I looked upon the second horsemen, clothed in red and blue. The mighty fell before the wrath of GDN, unable to stand against the withering nerf.

As I looked up again I saw the third horseman, ED. He was clothed in one aspect and the terrible beauty wrought great destruction upon the land.

I again looked up and saw the fourth horseman. Completely formless, yet with many forms, terror pierced my sinews. His name AE, and the threads of wrath were released upon the forum. Yea, such is the wrath that is AE.

All these must come to pass and then the end will come. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

MA is the guy on the left in artic1337's avatar.

1) What is your tank's powerset?
2) What power is hecatomb in?
3) Which hecatombs are they?
4) Are you going for any specific set bonuses?

Oh and the answer to all those was still yes.

Try here.

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The best place to work towards this badge is St. Martial near "The Flop". Go to that marker and head straight East to position (-4249.1 16.1 -1739.4). There is a high concentration of Consiglieris and they respawn very quickly.

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Also, where can I go to make fun of people who can't afford purples?

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drag your purples to the chat bar and broadcast them in broadcast in Cap or Atlas. When asked, simply say you're holding a 'private auction'. Every once in a while announce something like "Hecatomb, Acc/Dam/Rech, Sold for 23 million inf" while the incoming tells get more and more frantic.

To go along with this:

Somewhere I read a statement that purples were intended to drop about once a month for the casual player. (obviously the farmer might get them more often)

If this is the case, one can earn 400-500 million inf just playing a level 50 character for a month to buy a purple. I also admit that AE has drawn farming to it, where purples are more rare. As a farmer, I'm looking forward to farming content again, so I know I'll be listing more purples (yesterday I listed 2).

I don't build my characters around purples anymore because the amount of time is not worth it - whether I'm farming or marketeering for them (yes, I'm evil and evbil*). I agree that they cost too much. A few lucky drops means I can completely IO out another 50 without any real work. It's great for me. Would I like to use purples? Sure.


*Said wealth is constantly being spread among about 40 characters to maximize flippage on large quantities of items. I suppose some day I'll stop marketeering long enough to get a nice screenshot (or someone can give me a bil for my PvP set )

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I can't say how big an effect, and I don't believe eliminating RMT will seriously reduce prices, but will only alleviate incidences of crazy spending (like Beefcake's 1.2bil Panacea proc sale).

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I think you give RMT too much credit for the market. How many people do you suspect that use RMT? Of my global, everyone that I team with works for those great builds (or they don't have one). Although that is only a sampling of the game, that implies that very few people do buy from RMT. Obviously somebody does, because they still send their emails. But I think the majority of the playerbase is not buying from RMT.

Therefore, it must be assumed that the rise in market prices is due to something entirely different: inflation.

There aren't any good inf sinks here. Low supply items continue to rise in prices as the value of inf continues to drop. Hmm, so let's just cap how much things can cost eh?

The USSR instituted price caps on just about everything that could be purchased. The end result was mass shortages and hoarding. Instituting price caps doesn't work, even if they are lenient. The only thing that helps is increasing supply.

I know someone who farms on Elec/Fire. It can be quite impressive with the AoE potential. As long as you're selective with your opponent, you'll be able to handle it without much trouble.

SS/Fire can be a bit cheaper to build if you're looking at AE farming.

Considering Smurphy is offering to prove his point at his own expense, I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on.

I'll go even further with this:

Roll a lowbie on infinity for this purpose and I'll give you 25 mil inf. Here's the rules:

Experiment 1:
-Allowed Investment: 5 mil inf
-Target: Detonation, lvl 50, Acc/Dam

This is a cheaper item on the market so you can look to corner this with little expense. Your goal is to artificially raise the price and turn a profit.

Experiment 2:
-Expense: 15 Million inf
-Target: Demonic Threat Report

A common salvage, in great supply. However you should be able to wipe out this market with this much inf. Your goal is to sustain the market at your own price and turn a profit after the huge initial loss.

Experiment 3:
Expense: 5 mil
Target: Touch of Death, Acc/Dam, lvl 40

Try to turn a profit with this item. Identify the low price (somewhere around 250k-500k) and the high price (1-2 mil). Set up a stack of 10 for a round number (500k) and purchase 10 of these. By this point I suspect you have a net loss in both previous experiments, so I may need to give you more inf.
=-List recipes within the highest price in history.
=-Profit.

Keep any earnings you receive.


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What is my point in all of this?

In trying to make a profit off of the market, creating artificial bubbles is incredibly costly, and the chances of reward are highly tied to supply and demand. It can be done, but rarely sustained.

Rather, to profit off the market, it is easier to 'ride the waves'. By identifying what appears to be a low bid and purchasing for low prices and reselling for higher prices, small fortunes can slowly be earned.

If an item is listed significantly higher than what people are willing to pay, it will not sell. To maximize profit, one identifies what price is reasonable to expect a sale and also reasonable to acquire in a set period of time.

Most items at 'buy it now prices' can be purchased overnight at a reduced price. The exception are rare recipes, which have lesser degrees of fluctuation. For example, luck of the gambler redside fluctuates between 100-130 million, a very small profit margin. Whereas many other items have a much larger range of fluctuation because they are frequently purchased and produced.

The marketeer can ride these fluctuations and profit off of them, but these fluctuations are not created by the marketeer.

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/Regen needs to be nerfed for Scrappers
buffed for Stalkers
and given to Defenders as a new primary

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Unless this is concerning PvP, I'm really curious from where in your [censored] you're pulling that first one. The second one, I'd say could simply stand to have the stalker hp cap increased (to 1.75 times base or 2108.4). The third one is pretty much already true considering Empathy.

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ysosrs?

Poor Babs, I know he'd want to post in this thread.

AE kept Babs from posting something funny.

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I'm sad. The OP's rant doesn't really fit the thread title.
It could have been a reasonable discussion for maybe up to a page and a half.

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If you read my first post, you will see that just about every one of those links indicates that any AE topic is almost guaranteed at least 5-6 pages. There's hope for this topic yet.

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Oh why not join the fun? We're being doomified.

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In my own opinion, AE was the worst thing that could have been done....

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I disagree with your opinion. It was a good idea, but could have been executed better, in my opinion.

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I disagree with your disagreement of the opinion. It was a horrible idea, spawned from the gates of hades to doom humanity. Our execution is only the beginning.

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I disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement of the opinion. "Opinion" is mostly "Onion" and therefore best if sliced and sautee'd.

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Onions belong in pasta, further funding the mob. Are you enabling criminal activity?

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Noone seems to want to do anything else but play AE missions.

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What are these 'missions' you speak of? This word seems to have disappeared from our language due to its lack of use.

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"Mission" is from the Middle-Low Old English (i.e., pre-internet). The current translation is "Mish".

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Much appresh nfo bout mish. Thanksh. I needsh moar hishtoreh.

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I can't get a TF or a regular mission team for anything.


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Lies. Nobody teams anymore. The game is over. Run for the hills of WoW. There you shall find refuge from AE. Did you know the first letter of AE stands for Apocalypse?


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False. It stands for aerobic, for the exercise you'll get while running for the hills.

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And you failed to consider that aerobic exercise is the doom of every couch potato, thus the harbinger of the apocalypse?

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.... and b/c noone is playing a regular non-AE mission anymore, drops are scarce and the price of them are outragious. So it even affects the market.

[/ QUOTE ]If that is true, then run your own main-game missions and make big bucks selling the drops. The drop-rate has not changed.

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The gods (Devs) above have long permitted our evil ways. No longer will the bounteous gifts from above flow freely. We must begin offering up sacrifices to appease their wrath, lest they nerf regen.

Seriously, enough with the rational responses to doomcrying. Join in the doomcrying that all may fear the wrath of the coming devs.

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Screw it. Nerf Regen (again).
And let's all roll another Fire/Kin.
DooooooooooooooooooooooM!!

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Dooooooooooooooom!
Oh yes, AE also creates pyramid schemes. See above for evidence.

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Oh I didn't join his team at all. Me and others were having fun pointing out the humor in stating 8 spots open and that GM's werent in the AE.

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He was talking about Game Moderators. Those things give mad xpeez yo.

Oh why not join the fun? We're being doomified.

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In my own opinion, AE was the worst thing that could have been done....

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I disagree with your opinion. It was a good idea, but could have been executed better, in my opinion.

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I disagree with your disagreement of the opinion. It was a horrible idea, spawned from the gates of hades to doom humanity. Our execution is only the beginning.

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Noone seems to want to do anything else but play AE missions.

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What are these 'missions' you speak of? This word seems to have disappeared from our language due to its lack of use.

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I can't get a TF or a regular mission team for anything.


[/ QUOTE ]Plenty of people complain about noone wanting to play regular missions. Team with them.

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Lies. Nobody teams anymore. The game is over. Run for the hills of WoW. There you shall find refuge from AE. Did you know the first letter of AE stands for Apocalypse?

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.... and b/c noone is playing a regular non-AE mission anymore, drops are scarce and the price of them are outragious. So it even affects the market.

[/ QUOTE ]If that is true, then run your own main-game missions and make big bucks selling the drops. The drop-rate has not changed.

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The gods (Devs) above have long permitted our evil ways. No longer will the bounteous gifts from above flow freely. We must begin offering up sacrifices to appease their wrath, lest they nerf regen.

Seriously, enough with the rational responses to doomcrying. Join in the doomcrying that all may fear the wrath of the coming devs.

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So, you are saying that the secondhand AE effects are almost as bad as the effects AE brought about in the first place?
This is more serious than we thought.

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Signs of Firsthand Contact with AE:
1) Odd gibberish LFAETPLZ (pronounced luhfatepulls)
2) Excitement over any circular pink progression. Often followed by the first symptom.
3) Unusual derangement towards authoritarian figures or delusions toward giving authoritarian figures a messiah complex. (Said figures are declared to be a 'Dev').
4) Seeking to quantify surroundings: "u a 50? Can I haz 50 2?"

Signs of Secondhand Contact:
1) Self destructive behavior. (slash-facepalm sounds painful)
2) Irate responses to any contact with AE. May launch subject into a rant - read aggressive behaviors
3) Sarcastic Doomcrying. This is akin to "the boy who cried wolf". When faced with true doom (read zombie invasions), people are likely to ignore said cries.

As you can see, secondhand contact with AE is quite disconcerting. I am certain the surgeon general will be ordering that all boxes of AE be labeled:

Warning: do not use when you are pregnant, breeding, or breathing. Prolonged exposure to AE will lead to the erosion of logic centers of the brain.

I'll need to update it. We all know I can probably have another sentence by the end of the week.

I don't like the unique in the set as it eliminates the possibility of stacking the 6th bonus. Other than that, it's interesting.

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And do not understand the word "culture".

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And you do not recognize attempts at humor for what they are - tongue in cheek statements. Reread both posts and you'll see a pattern:

Statement #1: Trivia
Statement #2: Humor

Therefore, it is highly likely that the poster may not subscribe to the statements he was poking fun at. I'm not interested debating a declamatory post like yours, for obvious reasons. I hope you find someone else to.

If you need the obvious reasons explained to you, I have no hope for human intuition.

edit: Might as well state the obvious.

-Replying to an overly aggressive post filled with declamatory statements is rarely productive, regardless of the veracity of said statements. No, I'm not interested in debating their veracity, nor am I questioning them.
-When having a conversation, one does not discuss internal combustion when one wants to discuss whether pop tarts can truly catch on fire. Hence, the confused smiley.
-While lighthearted discussions on touchy matters may avoid moderation, an argument over any of the points addressed above would guarantee it, such as the nature vs. nurture debate in regard to orientation, procreation preferences and methodology, etc.


Further explanation of the post:

Trivia:

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Other species also mate facing each other and don't have bewbs.

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Already, you should have a clue that it isn't altogether completely serious given my last word. Anything but 'scientific'.

Now the second statement, humor.

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Regardless, more research on the uniqueness of humanity needs to be done.

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Now, do you suppose I was suggesting that we begin seeking more funding of additional scientific studies, due to our incomplete sociological knowledge of human mating behaviors? Or was I suggesting an entirely different methodology for conveying research. Hands-on perhaps? And the likelihood I was even seriously going off to do said research is?

Now if you were to look at the second post, the trivia you provide in the quote. In response, I'm even incredibly clear I'm being snarky. I think the word pairing 'politically correct' really bothered you in the context as you inferred that I was questioning the veracity of natural inheritance. Rather, I was noting that said comment was not PC, but was done for humor's sake.

Now had I gone to the length to explain all of this, I wouldn't have been that funny. Actually, my guess is my lengthy response explaining what I find humorous is in itself, more humorous than my previous posts.

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There is no human culture on the planet where the men, as a culture, simply DO NOT EVEN NOTICE the female form.

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must ... resist... bad ... politically incorrect....
...San Francisco. Darn. Sorry.

The point of your post was lost on me. The point of mine was that the theory that breasts are an evolutionary replacement of the butt is hogwash. Your point appears to be the same, so what are we arguing about?