Thirty-Seven

Come now... they serve a practical purpose! If a Skull goes to a business meeting, he can roll up his sleeves a little and still look "professional"!!

First, thanks for that. I appreciate the sentiment.

Second, I was merely pointing out my view on the subject. This discussion is a very interesting one, and one I started with little intent on commenting on individual posts specifically because I wanted it to be a discussion, not a "prove to me what it is" thread. I hope my comment didn't diffuse that great trend that was going here.

Let me make it clear that I agree with your overarching opinion. In fact, it is the very things you mention that would mark those players as very good players. Of note, is the absence of mention of any such skills or play habits from the post I quoted.

Also, I want to make it clear that just because someone farms and/or PLs does not mean they have no skill... in fact, as you pointed out, quite often the opposite. However, being able to do one doesn't automatically translate into being skilled or being a good player in general... though it can.

I have to admit that PLing/farming is a place where I have a heavy bias. Something about the entire practice rubs me the wrong way, but that is a discussion for a different thread. What I said, was geared specifically toward that comment, even though the wording may have made it seem otherwise. I will also state that though I have very strong opinions on pretty much everything, I am also malleable when presented evidence, and I have seen players who farm/PL a lot suck... I have seen them be awesome and I have seen them be total and complete jerkwads. That is no different than any other playstyle in the game: it takes all kinds.

Thanks for going to bat for me, ol' buddy, but I did indeed mean the PLer him/herself. I, personally, don't recognize that as skill in and of itself. Pretty much anyone can copy a build from the forums and kludge their way into PLing themselves or others. Nothing about that demands skill. Skill makes it far easier to do, faster, and safer. Skill can transform that "kludge" into something other people would gladly pay to help them. At that point, it is probably rankable as a part of player skill.

What I was specifically referring to was how PLing in and of itself is no indicator of skill, and certainly isn't anything that others should take note of. IMO of course.

You can't even feign that that's constructive. I mean, cheap insults now? What kind of a thread do you think this is? It's like a slap in the face to the other people who know what they are doing.

Geez.

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You really should try better comebacks. That one was far from effective. I mean, really? What grade are you in?

Ha!

Woulda been funnier had you said Blaster though, since that is the wrong alignment too... on top of having no access to either category of powers.

Roderick just answered that.

However, technically, there is no such thing as getting +2 and +3 with level shifts... as Incarnate Shifts are what you get from Lore and Destiny trees. The difference is that a level shift is permanent for all content (at 45 or above) while an incarnate shift only works on iTrials or in DA.

Pretty much this.

As an aside: What you fail to mention here is that this change happened alongside a complete overhaul of the Veteran Reward system as well as the addition of a completely new payment structure for the game. The issue with the "let's just buy vet. reward time" suggestion was due mostly to the environment that existed when you suggested it. Now? Well, it makes a lot more sense.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of costume stuff... already in progress.

I think that type of "skill" is one that isn't representative at all of the type of skill someone can bring to bear in a teaming situation... which is really the only place "skill" matters, at least to me.

As such, if you want to loosely define skill so that PLing "effectively" is a skill, it surely isn't one anyone else should care about.

I'm not seeing a logical why to this... aside from you think it would be better or more fun, somehow.

Sounds to me like you agree with me. If a Tank doesn't move for Nova Fist he "did something wrong" and therefore by your own logic "deserves to die."

I addressed the damage types above, but thought I should hit on one more thing. Again, I don't see how your solution of removing autohit and unresistable damage makes much sense if you are fine with them then instituting changes that amount to the same thing. What is at the heart of this issue then? It is beginning to look almost like when folks have a debate over semantics.

If you want people to move, this type of unresitable damage equally encourages ALL players to do so, even Tanks.

I think there is a mission with destroyed elevators, and when you jump down them they teleport you to the next floor.

Good to know! Since they came out, I never considered PvP IOs as an option, simply because no bonus, no matter how good, is worth that much (to me) I never really look at their pricing.