Rad_Avenger

Originally Posted by EvilGeko

Trapdoor is a very simplistic version of this. You can have all the IOs in the world, but if you just stand there and try to beat him down, only the top DPS builds in the game might have a chance. Upping the difficulty doesn't change the need to use some strategy in that fight. I greatly hope the devs realize that they have to hold the line here on the endgame content or don't bother.

Originally Posted by Obitus

Probably the first major shot fired in the never-ending Tanker-versus-Scrapper debate was a video posted by TheConfessor just after Issue 1 (IIRC) that showed him soloing Marauder on a perma-Unstoppable Scrapper.

Originally Posted by Smersh

Really, I'm just watching this thread for Arcanaville to ride in on her celestial chariot of light, and apply a precision guided orbital kinetic kill vehicle of logic detailing precisely how the OP is wrong.

For what it's worth, OP, I wrote a guide back in Issue 3 or 4, detailing precisely why pursuing the resist caps was worthwhile for a tanker. And precise amounts of incoming DPS had no relevance to that discussion.

Originally Posted by Ultimo_

There's been a lot of constructive posts here. Try to remain constructive, I'm not going to respond to baiting posts like these last two.


I went and got the Thunderstrike set from the Merit Vendor in the Atlas Wentworth's, but don't have enough merits to get two sets, let alone three.

I had most of the necessary salvage already, and the stuff I needed to buy wasn't terribly expensive. Crafting them myself thus cost a total of about 6 million for the entire set. That stings, but I noticed a difference, even with only one set of them. I can imagine three sets will be very nice indeed.

Just a little update.

Originally Posted by Aura_Familia

If only the game developers made in-game respecing this easy.

Originally Posted by Pinny

I'm pretty much below 100m influence.

My current plans are to get the LotG +Recharge IOs through either reward merits or alignment merits, since I don't have the money needed to buy the recipes/salvage. On the subject of the +Rech IO; why not slot it in the SR passives? It seems much easier and hassle free. My original plans were 3 +rech IOs in the passives, and one in combat jumping, which would give me about 30% global recharge. total cost would be 8 alignment merits, or 16 days of tip farming. Maybe less if I throw in some TFs and pick merit rewards instead of incarnate salvage.

In this build I don't have the medicine pool, nor do I have tough/weave. I do however have maneuvers 4 slotted with 1end 3def (Could probably change that to sets later) and tactics 6 slotted with the gaussian's set, which costed a pretty penny thanks to inflated salvage prices.

I'm sitting at 42% ranged defense, and 37.7% melee/AoE defense. If I get a set of Touch of Death for my melee attacks that should bring me up to 40% melee defense. Aside from that, however, it seems like that's my limit unless I respec into a more "optimal" build designed for soft capping defense.


@Kratics: Since endurance isn't a problem for you, you're soft capped and are basically invulnerable to everything, grab Musculature for extra damage since you don't need the endurance from cardiac or the defense buff from nerve.

Originally Posted by Tank_Washington

Watching a single ho'd fire tank pull an entire map set for 8 of purples, then call down armageddon on 70 werewolves crammed into a rock was a religious experience.

Originally Posted by Werner

And not to pick favorites in the ACTUAL debate, let me also say that true or not, Acemace's opinion on the relative performance of Hamio'd pre-ED FireTankers sounds quite reasonable to me.

I can't remember all the rules as they were, but I'm assuming you could slot six Enzymes for +300% defense. Yes, Fire has no defense, but you can grab the power pools. So let's say you take Weave, Combat Jumping and Manuevers. That's 9.8% unslotted. +300% gives you 39.2% defense from just three pools. There probably aren't many Fire tanks sitting at 39.2% defense these days?

On the resistance side, was that also getting 50%, or was it 30%? I'm thinking it was 30%? So +180%. So capped smashing, lethal and fire, 84% resistance to energy and negative, and 56% resistance to cold. Again, I suspect these numbers are higher than we get these days? I'm not a tanker expert, so I don't know for sure.

How about Healing Flames? Hmmm, looks like the best is four Golgis for +200% healing and two L53 recharge IOs plus perma Hasten. So 70% + 2*38.3% = +146.6% recharge, so recharges in 40 / 246.6% = 16 seconds, and heals for 1406 hit points, so 88 HP/S of healing. Plus whatever non-ED capped passive regeneration comes to.

Now, I don't know what the state of the art for Fire Tank survivability is. But I suspect those numbers would be hard for a modern Fire tank to compete with, assuming I got them right.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

True story. My first 50 was a dark melee/Inv scrapper. He ran on SOs for 4 years (2 years before the IOs/markets and 2 years after). I only upgraded him to common IOs and a couple cheap set IOs. He doesn't die unless I stop paying attention to what I am doing.

I guess I should be crying that he is unplayable since I haven't put billions into his build.

Originally Posted by Catwhoorg

I got 5 sets totaling 26 PVP-IOs right now

2x5 Gladiator's Strike (Strike and Sir Sup)
2x5 Panacea (Recon and Dull Pain) (I may get one of the +HP/+end one eventually)
1 full set Fury of the Gladiator (spin)

Slash, Focus, Eviscerate and Shockwave have 5 purples + a damage proc
I also have Epic Hold set slotted with 5 purples.

51 total purples and PVP IO's which is about the upper limit of what can be usefully slotted from them (IMHO of course)

Originally Posted by Seldom

Ahhhh. Yeah, the least run was less than stellar. We had a darned fine team, but had some communication trouble and really let the time crunch get to us. (The frustrating game bugs didn't help there.)

Next time, we need to make sure everyone's on the same page at the onset of each mission. It was obvious that there were some pretty different strategies people were used to, so the assumptions of what actions to take were different across the board.

It's a tough line as there's a lot of patience needed, (especially on the last mish) but I realize the time people have is limited. Communication is key, a shared plan means less time wasted, fewer confused players. Bah, again, sorry that we didn't pull through.