New Dawn

I think it's easier if people stick to reading the OPs post and giving a response. Then there is a lack of derail. I am not down with the idea that stone needs changing past Granite being customizable in icon and female versions having bewbies. I can't sit there and think to myself poor, poor old stone, it is the butt of all jokes and suffers the pain of all problems. It is what it is and has been for seven or eight years. Some people won't have other types of Tankers to know what problems they have to get around for themselves and some people will comment despite not having one or one high enough. I myself see problems and then overcome them problems rather than fall over and cry until someone else comes to pick me up. The amount of things that can be self surmountable yet gets looked to the Devs for a sodding set of stabilizers is frigging unbelieveable.

You're saying that there is more than one developer with Reppu on ignore?

I smell BS.


And for that I will be putting you Jay on ignore along with everyone else never worth my time because they talk ****.

There is still time for a set that removes KB from a power, it maybe that you do less DPE with the set compared to other sets I don't know but this is certainly a universally good way as it effects all ATs thus shifting the balance no where.

I think tanks can cause the shoot fish in the barrel effect well enough, other players in teams usually don't want to shoot fish in a barrel anyway so when I say well enough I am saying I don't want to see that made any easier and it should be more noticeable with Brute that they can't offer that boring way to play so easily.

Brutes don't need alot to fuel fury. An alpha is good enough which is somewhat befitting as real life Brutes tend to be fearless and believe me I would love to see the Brute AT naturally resistant to fear effects. After the alpha, a Tank can drop in share aggro perhaps. The Brute can then use attackss to maintain fury.

As a Brute myself I tend to shoot off and herd the next group ready. The tanker takes over then at the right moment I will go off and herd the next group and so on and the tanker looks after the team. However some Brutes merely herd and don't attack which is bad cos they do more damage, sometimes they herd mobs too quickly for teams to process and when bringing too many mobs to the Tanker who is already aggro capped, aggro is lost to other people. An aggro capped tanker can't always help them. So I do believe in not just constantly herding for teams as a Brute but to do some damage. I would set up herdpoints elsewhere for other players and contribute damage till they come. I'll only be so far ahead in terms of time as I would have only x amount of secs to survive before the team arrive.

Often some tanks do not know what they are doing, pointing enemy aoes directly onto the more vulnerable (which is alright as its means an exciting learning phase) but I believe that when you have experience, a little bit passed seeing team wipes you'd want do things like direct aoes elsewhere just to get the job done. It's nice as a Brute to be able to do that when teamed with a inexperienced/feckless Tanker but I would rather see Tankers who think like Tankers have the advantage over feckless Brutes. I think it pointless if Tankers can't dominate the situation by dictating the battlefield because if that is the case then Tanks have no real position in any given team, only some given teams instead.

A Brute can Tank for a team but shouldn't be as good as a Tanker.

And it is proveable that a Brute who is attacking an AV can hold aggro off of a Tanker that is taunting and attacking same AV. It's proveable in different ways. The threat formula is made up of many parts which determine an outcome, there is also attack rate, there is also the AVs particular abilities.

I just think we can make the game a bit less shoot fish in a barrel for a team following a Brute doing the Tanking. I tank with my Brutes, I'd tank with my Scrappers who all have confront. I'd do it from an early stage with AVs as low as we can go. It's not an issue for me to make other ATs tank but it is better if the difference between different ATs tanking for a team widens. People should be less safe with a Brute upfront even though they've buffed it to high heaven. Game is good with a chance for more anarchy and the Tanker AT sticks out more.

That's not what I was implying if I am reading this right. I think Brutes aggro cap should remain 17. I think all ATs aggro cap should remain 17 but only Tankers effect the total of 17 with Taunt and Gauntlet. Brutes can say aggro 17 but only 10 with the full threat mechanic. I am not sure if it's doable. I didn't create the engine but it will make for some unpredictability in the game and at least when a Tank consolidates 17 you are safer than when a Brute consolidates 17.

"Use no way as way". If I were doing things then Brutes would have a different form of gauntlet than Tankers. Tankers is different by being a aoe gauntlet anyway, that aoe is a number of max targets. So some changes in how things work could happen in some way possibly. These are only suggestions I doubt devs read anyhoo. If I had time to sit on the forums all day I'd a) never get any work done and b) fall asleep.

No nothing should be generating more threat than a Brute if they took taunt versus an AV. Taunt doesn't change, only gauntlet changes. Brutes gauntlet can be still powerful against an AV, as powerful even now just not as powerful as a Tanks. A Brute shouldn't be able to Tank for a Tank. I mean what the hell? Tanks tank don't they.


I am not sure that you have interpreted my suggestion correctly enough to come to this conclusion so soon. Always better to get the other person to elaborate more before this.

I do believe that the threat calculation can be redesigned to make the Tanker AT stand out better as a Tanking AT. Tanking is not standing there and mitigating hits idly, it's dictating the battle through threat control. Atleast that's how I have seen it for years and thinking that way has always helped me solve my own problems.

First paragraph, make it so Brutes can apply gauntlet and taunt to a maximum of 10 yet through presence and more they can still aggro cap.

Second paragraph, allow AVs to resist Brutes Gauntlet better than they would Tankers gauntlet. Brutes with a player who thinks like a Scrapper often do not have taunt or use it in a unproductive/counter-productive manner.

Your only way for a Tanker to lose aggro to a Brute is actually wrong. I can meet you ingame and prove it.

Brutes are imo OP.

..Not..sure..if THB has problem with that.

Taunt became common sense.

This might encourage Blasters not to be venge fodder.

Brits use both.

Thats the thing, if it is with me and my network then why dont I crash on my other games?

They are newer games, potentially more demanding I would of thought.

I've played with Escrimas, perhaps you mean them?

On topic:

Perhaps with old sets some new cool ideas could be added but really would like to see more new sets.

You might not wish to be a Developer which is okay cos ya would of probably killed any chances right there.

I've never Blapped. That's what PBs are for.

Aid Self does.

Good job.