MrLiberty

If you give me a week or so to get my Fiteclub toon in working order, want to meet on test? He has a PvE build right now. Maybe we can put an end to this foolishness. :P

I know with Sonic blast you really only need tier 1 and 2 attacks. With fire will you really be hurting on a support toon if you skip blaze? I've heard most Fire/Em's can get away with pretty much just flares/blast.

Not quite as much KB protection or HP as I wanted, was hoping to get closer to mag 35 and 1600 HP with 750 ish Regen, but I don't think I'll hit the HP number without sacrificing a good bit of the global recharge either. I pvp on Infinity for now, and there aren't a whole lot of toons who specialize in KB so that part isn't a huge worry, is there anything else I'm missing or overlooking though?

Thanks in advance!

*sigh* Seriously? I mean seriously? WHAT can you do that isn't predictable when you are standing completely still not using any inspirations against a Melee Class??? I'm seriously at a loss here. Everyone who has been around for even a little while knows what the powers do from just about every set out there. There is no "Big Surprise" That suddenly when fighting a DM user you get feared occasionally. Or you are fighting a Katana user who suddenly gets more difficult to hit, but isn't putting out quite as much damage. *gasp!* How are they doing this? My guess it'd be Parry Spam. You think you have someone dead, but oh wait! They just fired off a heal that restored most if not all of their hit points!!!! Some sort of trick!? Nah its likely dull pain.

Seriously... examples here. What is there to adapt too? You are spamming damage powers without moving and using your mitigation set accordingly. What IS there to counter? Your opponent suddenly starts to Spam DA/Parry and you don't have enough to hit already? Use build up. Am I a pr0 yet? Like I said before, timing things when standing still is incredibly basic. Its something you need to do through all levels of PvP. Considering you are saying that is the MOST complex thing about Fiteclub I pretty much stand by my last post. Its the training wheels or as Mac put it the kiddie pool of PvP.

See here you have another problem. There are already established *Best* chains for Damage and the *best* way to mitigate damage. If I'm dueling someone and I see they are say, Katana Regen... guess what? I know what powers they have, I know what they do, and I know how to use them and how they can be used against me. That makes them predictable. If someone gets low on health with no click Regen powers up? Guess what, they are going to try to take a defensive stance. If their HP is higher and they have emergency powers up, they are going to be more offensive. I know that most Regen builds have Recon up every 16-23 seconds. I know the recharge times on DP and IH for high end builds, I always would assume I'm fighting the best build even if they don't have the IO's to back it. I know that stacking 3 Parry's can get you as high as 70% defense to melee, I know that also is likely to get DR'ed. There are to hit formulas out there if you cared to look that will tell you what % to hit you would have in that situation with tactics, Focused Acc, Build up, global ACC bonuses, slotting on powers, etc etc... so again where is this unpredictable behavior?

There are good and bad players when it comes to everything. Yes it does take a basic understand of your build and your opponents. But in such a limited situation you end up tossing aside so many other possible factors (Movement, evasion, phasing, inspiration use, etc etc) it DOES look really simple as far as skill goes. Its like basic addition does take skill and an understanding of numbers and how they work, so does calculus.

This just makes you bad. I'm sorry but it does. You can still win out against numbers, just no where near the margin you used to be able too. Give me 2 other good players who aren't all on melee toons and I can likely wreck 5 average players who don't coordinate all that well. Numbers matter, but they are far from the only thing that matters. I've had superior numbers and lost. I've had odds against me an won, so that argument doesn't exactly hold water.

Please, pretty please just share one of these genius tactics that have been crafted by fiteclubbers? I'm willing to keep an open mind on this if I think it will make me a better PvP'er, that if some how I missed something an opponent can do while standing there toe to toe with me. Just one. I'm not asking you to spill your entire bag of secrets. Just one example of a "Genius tactic" No need to reply to the rest of my post, its all pretty irrelevant next to the promise of learning something new that I overlooked before.

Considering that is how I first got introduced to PvP on my DM/Regen and got horribly bored by how predictable it could be, I know a lil about it. Its all about beating a survivability curve in a very static environment. Like AV solo'ing. There are max DPS chains that every set can put out. These have all been documented, its not a mystery or skill or anything like that. There are also survivability charts for defense sets (read, def/res/regen etc) so you know how much damage you can sustain over periods of like 30 seconds, 1 min, 3 min, 5 min etc etc. Its really just a numbers game, can player A out damage player B before his or her mitigation is overcome. There is no "Skill" involved beyond your build both in IO's and Power sets, and the assumption you have at best average reflexes to maintain your DPS chain when your attacks recharge as well as fire off mitigation powers when appropriate. Or did I miss something to the complexity of it all?


I'll even go so far as to say Fiteclub could be the first baby step in actually learning to PvP. You learn which attacks do the most damage and some sense of timing as to when to use your mitigation powers. But then? Its time to move on. Time to figure out how to deal with more than one person, how to deal with movement in a 3 D environment. Anticipating Damage spikes as they come in and how much mitigation you need to get out alive, when to Phase, when to Run, how to survive, how to coordinate a damage spike yourself etc etc. And that is just playing a damage class. Then you have disruption and support to figure out as well.

Since the world series is going on, we'll go with that (And try not to rip off Supermax again ) With Fiteclub, its like explaining how awesome you are in T-Ball to a major league player. Its great that you can hit the ball when it is just sitting there, but everyone else eventually grows a little and starts facing off against a pitcher.

Because I'm bored, and for the more Visual Learners what I'm trying to say is pretty much this.

Where in his post did he every say he was interested in Melee duels? MA>>>>>Katana

Monkeys with a learning disorder could probably get a draw in most "melee" matches simply by randomly mashing keys and moving around.

This is happening in PvE too randomly. It happened yesterday on and off on an ITF for my Rad/Psi. Also was rooting on my Fire/Pain on some AE missions. Really annoying.