WTH is up with the redside market?
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Posted on: 2009-10-28 10:56 in The Market and Inventions
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Yes, sadly. It will be interesting to see what effect GR has.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Is the population of redside THAT low?
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I'll see your lists to sell, with my bids to purchase. I have bids in the 20-30 range on recipes and crafteds often over a range of five levels, none for sale none moving.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Okay, what the hell is up with the redside market?
I've had some stuff listed since last friday that just won't move. And this stuff is like selling for a fraction of what the last 5 was. Is the population of redside THAT low? During the AE farm area I seem to remember stuff moving the next morning. Could the lack of more 50s be and lower pop be having an effect? I also see some items listed with hundreds for sale and ZERO buyers.  |
It's always slower than blue, but I haven't personally noticed any reduction in the level of action my villains are getting. The Goat's couple of niches are still turning over daily.
You definitely need to pick your spots more carefully red side- a while back I found something I thought would be great, stocked up on a bunch of recipes & salvage, crafted a pile of IOs....then, when I listed them, noticed that the 'last 5' dates were WAY stale. That isn't as prevalent a problem blue side. I haven't sold any of those yet.
But, my 'hotspot' niches are ticking over nicely. Just have to be more cautious on the BM.
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Very little, or a slight positive bump.|
Originally Posted by Kahlan_
Yes, sadly. It will be interesting to see what effect GR has.
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Yes, some villains will skip town, but heroes will cross over too. And there are a LOT more heroes than villains.
I remember when giving everybody access to both factions was supposed to "kill" red side...this is the same deal.
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I meant in a different manner. I'm curious whether the ability to cross back and forth (though requiring effort) will affect prices/activity on either market. I guess it depends how much effort is involved.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Very little, or a slight positive bump.
Yes, some villains will skip town, but heroes will cross over too. And there are a LOT more heroes than villains. I remember when giving everybody access to both factions was supposed to "kill" red side...this is the same deal. |
Well, aside from any game mechanics, you have to go Vigilante-->Rogue, so it would presumably take a little while. That said, I'd imagine some people would take time to stock up on things that are cheaper on one side or the other. The big question is, what happens to anything you currently have listed when you switch? Since the markets will remain separate, do Black Market bids just sit there while you're off being a hero, or do they actually delete?
I'm not sure that shuttling things from Red to Blue would necessarily be a bad thing though - increased rarity will drive up the price, and it would move at least some of the massive amount of stockpiled INF from Blue to Red. (Since the sneaky heroes have to actually *buy* something in order to smuggle it out.) A lot will depend on how the side-switching mechanic works. If it's something you could grind out in an afternoon, there might actually be enough "gun running" to help even out some of the weirder market imbalances. If it's on the order of the time needed for earning several hundred merits, I don't think it'll have any effect at all, because it would take too long for most people to really bother with.
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Goat I'm not talking about market niches or games. I'm talking about basicaly listing something like a Crushing Impact from 1 mil (with the last 5 going for like 3mil to 5mil). In other words just trying to get rid of stuff to free up market slots.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
It's always slower than blue, but I haven't personally noticed any reduction in the level of action my villains are getting. The Goat's couple of niches are still turning over daily.
You definitely need to pick your spots more carefully red side- a while back I found something I thought would be great, stocked up on a bunch of recipes & salvage, crafted a pile of IOs....then, when I listed them, noticed that the 'last 5' dates were WAY stale. That isn't as prevalent a problem blue side. I haven't sold any of those yet. But, my 'hotspot' niches are ticking over nicely. Just have to be more cautious on the BM. |
I have stuff up that hasn't moved in days, in some instances WEEKS. And I've priced them waaaay down with the intention just to get rid of them.
At this point I'm about to just delete them. As it looks like there just aren't enough buyers. Also want to point out again some items have a listing of 0 bidding and 1245 available.
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Before you delete them, list out the exact recipes and levels.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
At this point I'm about to just delete them. As it looks like there just aren't enough buyers. Also want to point out again some items have a listing of 0 bidding and 1245 available. |
Crushing Imapcts I happily take at most levels, but with 6 recipes and a 20 level spread there is little to no chance of me finding one listed by 'accident'.
0 bidding and 1245 available, for a recipe is a clue to just vendor it.
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I'm getting to the point of vendoring all but the deep brown stuff. And even in some cases the supposedly rare stuff just isn't moving. Next time I'm in game I'll make a list.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Before you delete them, list out the exact recipes and levels.
Crushing Imapcts I happily take at most levels, but with 6 recipes and a 20 level spread there is little to no chance of me finding one listed by 'accident'. 0 bidding and 1245 available, for a recipe is a clue to just vendor it. |
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All of which are dying to move to the side with less population.......|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Very little, or a slight positive bump.
Yes, some villains will skip town, but heroes will cross over too. And there are a LOT more heroes than villains. |
How many heroes have you heard that want to switch sides besides myself? Just check the forums and talk to people and the pulse is not good for redside.
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The main reason why I play more blue side than red side is lack of red side scrappers. I can roll a brute, but every time I do I keep thinking "this could have been a scrapper..."|
Originally Posted by brophog02
All of which are dying to move to the side with less population.......
How many heroes have you heard that want to switch sides besides myself? Just check the forums and talk to people and the pulse is not good for redside. |
I'm quite wary of rolling non-mez-protected things red side, you can't walk three paces without getting a beanbag to the face (because there's always longbow lurking, always!), and it gets old after a while. Stalkers are interesting beasts, but still, not a scrapper. And masterminds plain don't do it for me.
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That's why my current Corruptor project is a Dark Blast/Sonic Resonance Scrapper. It's an expensive build (by some people's measure anyway) but lots of fun.|
Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
I'm quite wary of rolling non-mez-protected things red side, you can't walk three paces without getting a beanbag to the face (because there's always longbow lurking, always!)
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With regard to the OP: Yeah, that's redside all right. Patience is required. It helps to have multiple alts so if your market slots fill up and you don't want to pull/delete anything you can just let the stuff sit a while.
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Originally Posted by Aliana Blue
The main reason why I play more blue side than red side is lack of red side scrappers. I can roll a brute, but every time I do I keep thinking "this could have been a scrapper..."
I'm quite wary of rolling non-mez-protected things red side, you can't walk three paces without getting a beanbag to the face (because there's always longbow lurking, always!), and it gets old after a while. Stalkers are interesting beasts, but still, not a scrapper. And masterminds plain don't do it for me. |
Back on topic ----> I find the Red market is slow, but I usually get or sell what I want over time. It definitely moves at a different pace than the blue.....
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Two days ago I started to farm redside on my Bots/Traps (That uses 25-35 Common IO's) and two days later from the AE I'm sitting on 350 Million with another 100 million in items waiting to sell. (All in the 5+ million range)
Crushing impacts, Doc Wounds, Reactive Armors, Red Fortunes, etc etc... they all get put up for 1 influence. There are plenty of bids out there and I usually get at least 1 to 4 million out of them. (Some pieces I'll actually list if they are worth 5+ ) But at the rate they come in, if they sit for more than say... 12 hours, they get listed for 1 influence. For a few reasons, first it gives the flippers something to do. Second ticket and recipe generation is still really really easy. Save your slots for the stuff that is worth 5 - 10 Mil +. Finally, would you rather have that slot waiting on a 3 million influence Crushing Impact Acc/Dmg or a 50 Million Kinetic Combat Dmg/End? Get rid of the little stuff so you can keep listing the big stuff.
I just came back from vacation and noticed that some of my slightly higher expensive items that usually sell in a few days were still waiting to be purchased. Not sure what the reason is I guess I chalked it up to the current event.
Anyway Im a patient market player and the niches that I run in usually dont turn over very fast but the profits are high.
I might have to re-evaluate after the event ends...
0 for sale 1200 to buy sounds like "high level salvage."
Right now there's a CHUNK TON of pool A and salvage being generated, not so much of anything else, because everyone's in the streets beating up hundreds and thousands of badguys.
Wait for a week after the Halloween event ends, see how things look. There's a lot of ToT levels being gained right now.
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Yeah forgot about the Halloween event. Going to let stuff sit afterall. 
Did relist the few that had both 0 bidders and 0 sold/selling for 1 inf as advised upthread.
Not like I don't have other market-focused toons.
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If it isn't super convenient, very few people will bother making the trip more than once. It's not like inf is hard to make on either side these days.|
Originally Posted by Kahlan_
I meant in a different manner. I'm curious whether the ability to cross back and forth (though requiring effort) will affect prices/activity on either market. I guess it depends how much effort is involved.
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And I don't expect them to make it super convenient. I doubt it will be especially difficult, but I do expect it to require a fair investment of play time.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
All of which are dying to move to the side with less population.......
How many heroes have you heard that want to switch sides besides myself? Just check the forums and talk to people and the pulse is not good for redside. |
In spite of that, they keep making content for it and people keep playing and enjoying life in the Rogue Isles.
A lot of people will take heroes across the border just because it's something new to do. It's content, and players will always check out content.
Whatever swapping goes on is pretty much guaranteed to even out in the long run. People who like playing villains will mostly keep playing villains, people who like playing heroes will mostly keep playing heroes.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Goat I'm not talking about market niches or games. I'm talking about basicaly listing something like a Crushing Impact from 1 mil (with the last 5 going for like 3mil to 5mil). In other words just trying to get rid of stuff to free up market slots.
I have stuff up that hasn't moved in days, in some instances WEEKS. And I've priced them waaaay down with the intention just to get rid of them. At this point I'm about to just delete them. As it looks like there just aren't enough buyers. Also want to point out again some items have a listing of 0 bidding and 1245 available. |
But in the general course of events, I don't bother listing stuff that won't make me a substantial profit and I have no problem deleting or vendoring junk that doesn't look like it will turn over fast.
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Okay, what the hell is up with the redside market?
I've had some stuff listed since last friday that just won't move. And this stuff is like selling for a fraction of what the last 5 was.
Is the population of redside THAT low?
During the AE farm area I seem to remember stuff moving the next morning.
Could the lack of more 50s be and lower pop be having an effect?
I also see some items listed with hundreds for sale and ZERO buyers.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!