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Concept trumps all? I mean, alot of his characters use the burnt match motif, right?

Anyway, the way I see fire manipulation: It's an AoE set. It's focus is on dealing alot of AoE damage at the expense of danger. One of the sets had to do it. /Energy is the ST killer, /Ice is the mitigation monster, /Devices is the bag-o-tricks chessmaster, /Elec is the jack-of-all-trades with different utilities..../Mental I don't really know.

You can pair it with a similar set for extreme specialization (Fire/Fire has a lot of AoE), or one that covers over a weakness (Energy/Fire which covers over some of Energy/ lack of AoE and the soft control covers over /Fire's lack of mitigation).

Took me all of 8 seconds rereading that sentence to understand those abbreviations were not for IO sets. Then an additional 2 seconds that both have CF in them, the other had BU which is usually Build Up, CF must mean Chance For, then the other one must be damage resist debuff.

Don't do that again >_>

Wow, that's very awesome! It looks so much like water I think I'll probably see alot of people using that particular combo for lack of such a set.

And you jumped on test and took pics for little ol me?

Thanks! Much appreciated.

*Adds to Checklist:
-Claws/EA Werewolf Brute
-MA/SR Super Strong Stalker
-Rad/Elec Water/Eel Blaster

Technically, he didn't say it can't be done. Just that that particular request isn't feasible the way it was requested. They can't 'give' us NPC emotes because NPCs don't use emotes.

That's not saying they can't ever create emotes that look like the NPC ones and then give them to us.

I think the funny thing about that is alot of stalker players were hoping to give up Parry in exchange for Whirling Sword to give the set distinction from similar sets.

I like unique powers. That's why one of my favorite powers is Chain Induction.

It's a good way to make sure someone doesn't go back and change their message so you're responding to exactly what they have said and not what they rewrote after you posted.

And I don't see any rabbit/hobbit mutants walking around here...

...yet.

That ties into the first part of my posts. Each CoV AT is self sufficient. They have different playstyles thanks to the inherent.

It relates to the quoted section because a Corruptor plays like a Corruptor, which is someone who's got respectable blasts that can buff/debuff. While a Corruptor isn't a defender, that doesn't dismiss the fact that if my Brute is nearly dead, the Corruptor can help me out and throw me a heal. That's defending. You can call it Corrupting but it was called defending first.

And while I said they can specialize in a particular role, that implies the weakness that goes along with it. That AoE stalker example I made will most likely have sub-par single target damage.

The issue with that is, if they made a red-side blaster then they'd have no self protection and therefore be less self sufficient than all the other CoVs ATs. That's what the CoV ATs do. They don't need the team but if everyone is focused in the same direction, the enemies will go down none the less.

Stalkers are *NOT* squishy. Squishy implies no mez protection and little self protection. With their mez protection, their amount of mitigation (the same as Scrappers), their lower HP and their ability to not get attention of foes in the first place thanks to Hide and Placate, they are roughly as survivable as Scrappers.

No, they *all* can do a degree of scrapping if that degree doesn't require a PBAoE. That's the main difference between Scrapper scrapping and Stalker scrapping. Stalkers simply add a degree of control to when they critical hit that takes timing and thought to take advantage of (which you can forgo at times but then you might as well just play Scrapper if you don't).

CoV ATs don't play singular roles, they are hybrid classes.
Corruptors are Blaster/Defenders
Dominators are Controllers/Blasters
Brutes are Scrappers/Tankers
Stalkers are Scrappers/Blasters
Masterminds are Tankers/Controllers

Each plays the role of both and if built right can specialize in one or the other. Even Stalkers. If you pick an AoE build and pump it with recharge bonuses, you can toss out AoE crits left and right for a more bursty AoE feel.

You need more Fist of the North Star in your diet.

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I guess just add some non-Assault Rifle/Claws/Mace/Psy alternatives to the SoA and you got a deal.

I really want such a combo using Martial Arts, Katana or Super Strength.

Because the BS animations are recycled from Mace/Axe sets which cannot stab. It's a real hit to the believability of all the animations of BS, not just the AS.

Wow, and they said *I* was whining...

I really doubt this argument has any bases. By your logic and in that situation, with an attack that does 80dmg, the Scrapper is wasting damage by simply activating it as his damage mod for attacks is 1.125. Any extra overkill damage is balanced (with the less crits of Scrapper) by being able to control the output of your crits.

Lol, I *JUST* got off from playing my lvl 33 EM/EA stalker. Like just 15min ago. He isn't slotted quite well in his attacks so he has large gaps in his attack chain. I can, and have, counted the seconds many times over...not even on just this stalker but my DM/WP stalker who goes around AS people.

The rehide time was changed along with adding demoralize effect, base crit rate and improved melee dmg mod. Are you sure you even play stalkers? Because it's pretty well known that this change was made forever ago.

Sorry, I guess I'm just adding onto the whole "Stalkers ain't the best DPS" argument you're making. Really, there is only 1 best and even if stalkers aren't it, what do you prove? I suppose it was Sio that claimed it was the best DPS, not me. I simply claim that they are competitive. Competitive in overall survivability as well as damage and probably rank among the highest in utility for a melee AT.

I was commenting on your argument, I suppose. You want to prove they aren't the best DPS? Prove they do crap DPS? Prove they aren't worth the spot on a team? What? I suppose it's pointless to suggest you amend to your claims that Stalkers can do x, y and z competitively because you have other posters who will say it for you.

The AoE argument was made in retaliation to your comment of 'sometimes you don't have 8-man teams'. The scaling crit rate is meant to give your attacks more weight when needed, i.e. when there is a lot of foes. If stalkers had their 31% crit rate solo, it'd be a huge waste because most often, the stalker can drop 2 foes right off the bat. I guess it ends up tying into the whole 'overkill' argument you speak of.

Fair enough, the discussion split on the DPS issue and I didn't have my mind locked on it. That isn't to say Stalker DPS isn't very competitive, even in team play because it is. And you can't argue about ignoring game mechanics when you do the same thing regarding hidden crits and placate. Or are you going to handwave it away so you can keep thinking binary?

When I don't know something, I will say so and try to find out for future reference. When I *do* know something, I'm quite sure of it. But in the situations I am wrong I will admit so. Do you do the same thing?

You're probably right, and I apologize for that.

But then if you think, the people bringing issue about Stalker's viability are coming in with the perspective of min/max, perfect team, speed SF, AE farmers or whatever. If you're going to be talking in the voice of a min/maxer, you have to know the numbers to min/max and it's obvious these people don't. It's like someone throwing around advice about money yet they don't know anything about taxes, investments, pension or anything that involves money.

Calling the kettle black? Or however that dumb saying goes.

If you're so sure of that, explain it. Give some examples. Throw some numbers. Something.

I'll say Stalkers waste the LEAST damage. Why? Because they have the most control of their damage output. Brutes just run around hitting things as fast as they can, so they probably waste the most damage but they have damage to waste (an no time to ration that damage). Scrappers do nearly the same with alot more randomness. It's far more efficient to KNOW you're going to crit so you can hit Build up and either focus that damage with one powerful strike, use it in a series of crits (that you're over 80% sure will occur) or spread it in a series of AoE crits that will have a 50% chance to occuring.

It's 6 seconds, love. That was changed with all the other stuff on Stalkers. And 2 seconds makes a huge difference, so don't even say it. I've sat around reading Scrapper discussions debating about something like .4 DPS differences in builds and chains.

And Sio said:

Really, even if people are lagging behind, they don't all need to be around for the beginning of a fight because you have 2 crits in your pocket. And since travel time would be so short, like you said before, it'll only take those laggers a second or two to catch up.

All the more chance to make a bigger impact on your smaller team? If there's only 3 teammates, chances are there will only be 1 boss. Having 1 teammate drop that boss in seconds before anyone else can drop an attack is a huge impact.

Don't speak part-truths. Don't go spreading that Stalkers will be completely outclassed. Finish your sentence. Stalkers will be outclassed in AoE by AoE focused builds. Although a Stalker can contribute to AoE damage, a Brute or Corruptor or even Dom will out-AoE one. But really, the same can be said about Scrappers if you exclude very specialized builds (really just Spines/Dark and Spines/Fire).

I think you're right, there is no reason to ever invite your stalkers over other classes in the game. I can you reasons why teams would invite my stalkers over other classes. But I doubt you want to hear of my skill and your apparent lack thereof. If you got 2 to 50, you must have AE'ed them because the amount of misinformation you spewed in your 1st post is appalling.

It probably doesn't matter in AE farms like you're use to but in other missions were bypassing foes or pushing against a clock or getting around facing foes that will be an issue for you to defeat, it can be helpful. But that shouldn't even be the issue to be whining about. The fact that stealth is available to anyone with the pool choices is the issue. But stalkers still get a superior, quick to unsupress, stealth ability in Hide.

Yay, you realize Stalkers have assassin's strike. That's step one. Knowing what the hell it does is step two. I don't even feel like wasting my time explaining it...

I consider half-truths to be lies. Stop lying you big lying liar!

Stalkers can do more damage than scrappers and there are several reasons for this:
-Stalker's melee dmg mod may be 1.0 while Scrappers is 1.125 (which isn't a huge leap) but Stalkers get far and above more critical strikes than Scrappers because Scrappers have a 5-10% chance and Stalkers just have a 10% chance
-Stalker critical chance goes up with every ally in (30ft) range, up to around 30% with 8 teammates
-Stalkers get 2 free crits with hide and placate which, when combined with Build up, will out burst a Scrapper excluding the ones that have Fiery Embrace, saturated Against All Odds/Soul Drain and get a pair of lucky crits during that period.
-Hide unsupresses faster (is it less than 6sec now) meaning even more chances for crits

Liars never stop lying, huh? If you're even talking about DPS, AS isn't in the picture. You have a series of other attacks in your primary for that.

And not that sinking every fiber of our being into AS is true, but it can be extremely useful vs hard targets like AVs. It has a debuff that will outperform nearly the entire debuff platter of a Dark Miasma corruptor.

That's precisely why Stalkers will do better during GR on teams. Because all the Brutes and Scrappers will be off soloing 8-man missions, leaving the Stalkers that want to team a chance. The only thing keeping Stalkers from teaming is ignorance spread by people like you, Zanthar.

I'd vote for a recycled Thunder Kick animation for that. But rather than having a pompom on your leg, it would just look like your foot's "got that glow". If the animation is too short, add a quick toe grind to 'turn on your foot' then the kick would leave a very pronounced energy trail that would fade after a few seconds.

I made a thread like this back when they announced that SS and MA would have alternate animations and no one really made an effort to suggest anything besides "no FX for SS".

Since you can't color the weapon sets, I'd look into alternate animations for them. For War Mace and Battle Axe, if the devs ever get around to it, a 2-handed version complete with 2-handed weapon options.

Katana, I'd love a Batto/Iaido version of the attacks. Activating any attack that you chose the option for would put your weapon in an undrawn state at the hip with one hand holding it and another ready to draw it.

*Activate Batto Sting of the Wasp*
(weapon at the hip, the character draws it as he slashes and puts it right back)
*Activate normal Golden Dragonfly*
(weapon is drawn then go into the overhead leaping slash then stand with katana in hand)
*Activate Batto Gambler's Cut*
(weapon put back, quickly followed by 2 blur slashes. The damage ticks occur as you slide your sword back to it's starting point at your hip)