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Yeah it's funny I played with some people who 'never post builds' before my hiatus and I saw some of them... Ok they were very expensive but nothing that had some super secret I couldn't find out or build (if I were rich) by playing the toon to 50 - because of course the builds were very well made and I couldn't build them without playing the sets extensively. Very expensive, very efficient, very good builds, but nothing 'omg that makes the powersets so much more powerful'

Well sorry to ask the same question but can you elaborate on this? That didn't clarify anything for me, all I know is that in the beginning it was bugged so you could get 1000% rech or something and then it was changed to giving 100% max but not working again for ... 10 seconds I believe. That's the way it's now isn't it? My brute certainly doesn't have 200-300% extra rech because of the proc.

This, besides even on my broot slotted with common IOs (plus a FF+rech in FS) I never feel the need of using KO blow/GFs or a big attack even on +3 bosses. If you're doing it right you simply don't have to. I only use fire blast when my Aoes are recharging because I'm lazy and haven't done the Mu arc yet

This x 1000. The questions you're asking, OP, like when to use an endurance replenisher or what to build for, kinda shows that you have little knowledge of game mechanics. That's more than ok if you're new, but the reason (most) of us build farmers is after we have played some toons to 40-50 and got the grasp of them, no matter what AT, and now we want monies to make all IO'ed out builds to min/max them (or get them better, I stopped enhancing my mind/emp for recharge because she got so stressful to play when near-permahasten levels having to watch my crowd control, the rech on fortitude was very fast so it was worse than speed boosting the entire team since SB at least is always available, for example, she's a bind nightmare, but my first toon and I played her to 50 and took three months (it was in i9, harder to level) before started pumping her up.

After that I leveled a melee (dark/dark scrapper) that taught me about endurance management (not a big prob with my troller) and when to use my heal and dark consumption which was exactly like consume at the time (now consume is a bit better but same recharge), managing toggles, and using insps (again my mind/emp kinda left insps accumulate, trollers are a different animal). So that's an example how my first two toons, played from 1 to 50, taught me just about everything I needed to know about the game, and trying to help improve builds on Mid's from ATs I didn't know well and succeeding after some tries also helped. After that, my ice/psi dom, em/nin stalker, rad/psy def were easy to figure out, of course I still had to respec them since there are powers you just HAVE to try. After that I made my fire/kin to farm, but didn't do it much because after playing him (form 1 to 50 too but I could've PL'ed him a bit since I knew the powers well) and being called all the time by my Brazilian coalition to help them get Mo badges... I spent 1 billion on him to softcap s/l and got burned out. And btw since I onlyplayed one blaster so far and deleted him, I'm having some difficulty surviving on my blaster solo, but well, DP/Fire, you know... And I'm still insisting on keeping her at 0/x3 at DO levels, not a good idea, lots of running and insp usage and faceplanting, so it's an AT I still have some trouble even having played extensively for 30 months (but only soloing, and it's not like I have a lot of mitigation, but I"m sick of /mm after playing my ice/psy dom to death, making her permadom to pvp, having fun, gettig a nice killl ratio for a noob and... 3 months later, i13 came and holds and slows, her main strenghts, were useless, she needs 40+ points of kb protection, she's kinda shelved, I might strip her of all the purp IOs).

My point is, I only felt like making a farmer, even if the first one and before my 1.5 yr hiatus, the fire/kin, got little farm time, because I had played the game a lot and felt it was time to get nice things for my other toons to make them IO'ed and build for their strengths. Also that didn't mean I wanted to far with my Io'ed rad/psy defender or even make him the uberest, just make him a very potent toon - I know he'll never solo GMs like those rad/sonic defs for example. But making a toon potent requires you to know the basics of the game, and now that I bought GR and came back I'm still finding it very fun to level up my lowbies in praetoria and messing with the new powersets (to me anyway, like DP and Elec Control). If I'm happy with the speed when I build my Pl'ed SS/Fire for permahasten on the cheap (don't worry guys, the Aoes and FE are very well slotted, no gimping in the important stuff) I don't see a reason to purple out an 'agricultural toon'. Hell even farming with him with comon ios and missing the Mu AoEs is fun enough since each ambush farm is mass murder fun times.

And that's also true and why I self-pl'ed a ss/fire. Fire/kin had too many clicks to bother (bind for FS, binds for transfs, SB when I was dual farming, etc) so I got tired of farming with him. Now I have a SS/Fire at 47, self-pled in two days, mostly slotted with common acc, rech and endreds, and although I'm still far from the speediest farmer, I can do +3/x8 w/bosses on ambush fire farms (Cyborgs suck!) as long as I have 2 purp insps on me all the time, when my (cheap) build is finished I'll have permhasten and 20% s/l/fire def so that I can farm with 1 purple on (that's if I don't kill stuff too fast). BTW the build I have planned is unplayable for normal content (Punch, Haymaker, Ko Blow all mules for def and rech) unlike my SS/Fire at 38 I'm leveling normally and getting accolades and going for dark mastery and stuff.

But I'm loving that it's just clicking Burn, FS, Rage, Fireball (didn't do the patron arc yet for Mu) and mobs melt, even +3 bosses without using KO Blow, only Aoe attacks, whule my fire/kin didn't kill bosses so fast even using FS'ed Seismic Smash, ntm the toon was way busier. Nothing compares to SS/Fire because of Rage, Dark (no Aoe) and Elec (LR every 25 secs compared to Footstomp every 5-6s) primaries lag way behind, even being /FA, claws/fire might be the second best for fire farms because you can get the target cap on Spin and you'll have at least 2x/follow-up all the time giving you a nice damage bonus to everything, like a mini-rage, and no crash. Db/Fire wouldn't be as good I guess... Typhoon's base damage is much lower than Spin, but it would be decent.

I'm on my phone and didn't look at your def numbers but you want SS to recharge as fast as possible especially since you've only got 26% bonus rech from what I can see.

Also Fault's base acc is lower than usual iirc, so you want to slot some acc there.

Haven't played Spines/ for a while but at least when I left the game 1.5 years ago Quills critted. Although not exactly a DoT attack like MG (which you're right, doesn't crit after the upfront damage like all others), it was the only damage aura with crits.

Incinerate seems to work differently tho, it only has DoT but when it crits CoD says it adds the same damage as the total DoT but upfront (oh you kinda said it already, MG when critting does the DoT damage upfront too, I just woke up ).

• 10 * 15.64 Fire damage over 4.60 seconds PvE only

• 156.4 Fire damage (5% chance) If target is a minion

• 156.4 Fire damage (10% chance) If target is not a minion or player

Oh in this case I didn't because I took a 1.5 year hiatus, got GR like 10 days ago so I never played Elec Control. So I made a Elec/Thorns.

That said... Since I deleted a Plant/Thorns at 35 (I was very disappointed with Fly Trap and Thorns, but that was before the dom changes, I hated thorns damage back then) I'm thinking about a Plant/Ice, sounds like a good combo to me, never tried Ice, despite an ice/psi permadom I don't have anything 'icey' btw so I think it's time.

I feel /Earth Assault has great potential for a melee dom, but I know all the powers already (have Fissure on my Fire/Kin, and a 40 Stone/Elec Brute). And the numbers on the AoEs... idk, I only like Tremor on my Broot when she has Fury and uses BU before, and in the pre-DO era I was finding Tremor on my deleted elec/earth lackluster too, I prefer Fling Thorns and Thorn Burst than Earth's Aoes.

For tickets I self-pl'ed a ss/fa in one day to 45 and he's already doing well with the ambushes and FS+Burn+Rage (of course not that fast since he's not fully ioed and not 50, and no epic AoE yet because I'm yet to complete the epic arc so I got fire for now instead). BTW what's your 'sweet spot' for rolling? Everyone tells one thing... Bronze 15-19, Silver 25-29, Silver 30-34, I don't think there's a 100% consensus...

Nope but it's 3 seconds of difference with a SO'ed build and the gap will be less with a high end build. Also, the fact that 2xRage gives you way more damage than 2xFU, besides Rage having a crash, makes calculations hard. I think SS would have the edge in normal play because of the radius, I often hit mobs I didn't think I'd hit with FS.

Bear in mind, I'm not hating on Claws, Spin is wonderful, after I looked at it I asked myself how could all the other AoEs be so lame like I wrote on my last post.

I find leveling SS a chore, I have one SS/FA at 38 (the one I plan to get all the accos and do decent stuff) and another at 50 that was self PL'ed to be an agricultural tool . Claws is much more fun imo, since even my 38 ss/fa is boring because besides being partly IO'ed already he still has to use boxing sometimes, my So'ed Claws/SR scrapper has a full attack chain at 30 (actually my fav Brute primary is SM which sucks for AoE damage but can tank since low levels due to Fault, besides feeling smashier than SS IMO, but I digress). I guess that also answers the OP's question, on a limited budget I find claws/wp would be better and WAY less boring. My Claws/Dark Brute started to be fun at 10 (when I got the mez shield, those Praetorian mobs are tough, I'm new to GR).

Well speaking of farming, I guess you could take a Claws/ and SS/ to an ambush farm and compare the times using only the two Aoes we're talking about, since in ambush farms you'll likely hit the target cap or close with Spin all the time. I think people like SS/Fire more on these farms mostly because of double rage, but my guess is that claws/fire would be a close second, some people swear by elec/fire but I find elec kinda meh (I'm putting /fire as a secondry when talking about farms because if you're farming Burn and FE help a ton, hell I started farming frontload with my ss/fire at 32 and he only had acc and endreds, insps rain from the sky and popping reds+fury+damage aura+burn made me able to farm that at +3/x8 with bosses as long as I had at least 30% def from purps because despite the 90% fire resist there are so many attacks coming you can faceplant if you dont pay attention).

You might try asking Iggy_Kamikaze, when he did a MoITF (with no insps iirc) on his Kat/WP scrapper he posted his build, maybe he wouldn't mind it who knows

Great mitigation, more damage than Spin (a SS toon will always be using Rage), double the radius... Why do you think people farm with SS/FA? It's not exactly because of the mitigation since they use elec fences with it. Looking in a vacuum Spin might look superior but you'll be hitting less foes 90% of the time, and doing more damage (but lethal, plus no way to put a ff +rech in there).

FS at 50 w/ 3 dam IOs + Rage - 163 damage
Spin w/ 3 dam IOs + FU - 177

Since you can double stack Rage but then there's the crash I think that you will do more damage over time than Spin+double-stacked FU unless you're always hitting the target cap with spin which is trivial with FS.

The end cost isn't hugely different and the recharge differences get closer once you put recharge there even on SOs (7 seconds versus 10 with 3 rech IOs). So yes, FS is better imo, Spin would be my second though because Tremor (the other with the huge radius) sucks so hard it's not funny, even with BU.

Funny thing is, Spin does a lot of damage and the whirling attacks (plus typhoon's edge) are only a little better than Tremor's sucky damage. FSC and Burst are the exceptions, FSC having a 10' radius but 20s rech like FS (and no mitigation), and Burst doing a little more with KD but small radius and 15s rech, 1s more than Spin. And wow Typhoon sucks, it does less damage than Spine Burst (looking at scrappers) and way less than the Katana PbAoE. Yeah combos and stuff but I think it deserved a bit more (same for whirling xxx's on brutes)

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You can even go overboard, just pretend that insted of Taunt I took Entropy Shield since it will be a Taunt aura (49.9% s/l, 47.1% f/c, 56.9% e, 47% neg, 20.6% psi and a cool 25.6% ranged to help with psi - all at level 25 too):

EDIT - meh forgot Taunt auras don't take taunt sets, it's still doable since I placed BU at 10 (since you can only take Taunt at 12) and you can put Entropy there and keep Taunt at 12.

I don't know if it's better now with the new steadier Fury but in the old days the combo was not very suitable to brutes because it was the hardest one bar none to keep your fury up since you stunned even bosses. A tanker would be awesome at that imo.

Poison MMs are gross, they spit stuff and poison their pets, so I'm sure they'll prefer dark alleys.

This. Not that hard to turn off xp when you are like, a bar away from leveling, so it's not that different from what you're asking.

And of course this: